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Now that the dust is settled, Quiet's probably the most embarrassing gaming character
- Thread starter ZombiePlatypus
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To me its a matter of perspective. Sending in a strike force vs a scorched earth bombing just seems like different methods to achieve the same thing. Roughly equivalent. The end goal is to kill everyone inside for both.
Whereas sending in a lone soldier 10 minutes ahead to choke people that you're going to shoot anyways vs just shooting people I. The first place... well that just seems poorly thought out. It makes all of Quiets actions in the beginning seem redundant and ineffective.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Fire guy wasnt on their side then. Also again, they sent a helicopter, about 30 dudes, multiple tanks...the helicopter opened fire freely...if thats a covert operation its a bad one.
To cite "she wasnt wearing a balaclava!" as some end all is just well, a silly argument on top of that.
deadeyekiwi
Member
those were all back up in case quiet failed. once it was obvious that venom was endanger and being escorted out of the hospital they abandoned the covert approach because snake was going to get away. They were only using a stealth approach at the beginning because it had the best shot.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Why not have a jet with a cluster bomb on standby then
They were content with shooting rockets at the ambulance o.o
The point is that its silly to hang on the what ifs of how it couldve gone.
I like her, too, but her portrayal stands out like a sore thumb in an otherwise sexless and realistic game. It is hugely problematic - because the developers clearly didn't see any problem with it, so it betrays how they see/interpret women and female characters.
She is a good character on paper, a great one even, but this whole conversation is about how they executed her.
She's sexy af, and that's great, and she is phenomenally animated/acted, and that's great - but it's the context she's in and how the camera treats her that causes the issue.
CelticVegas
Banned
Issues? You will looking at her tits even if the camera was 100 feets away from her.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
We didn't manage the cinematography for the game or the out of place character design. Stop the "actually you're the one sexualizing her" nonsense.
A Link to the Past
Banned
Those gifs...
Yeah, Quiet is the worst character. The first one reminds me of fucking Magibon lol.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
And as we discussed the camera looking at her tits is actually not as egregious as you made it out to be.
A Link to the Past
Banned
Also, why is she rolling around in the rain?
Someone really, really bought into Kojima's bullshit, I see. "You will feel ashamed."
lol
She is a plant, plants love water.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Yes it is way too often even when you use headcanon to create agency for the character. This is exacerbated by the absolutely nonsensical character design.
Don't appreciate this post in sentiment or semantics.
TatteredHat
Member
It's a shame that her XOF outfit takes so long to unlock, she actually looks pretty cool with it on.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Before anyone goes for my jugular here, I'm NOT defending the design (it was a terrible choice) or how the character is portrayed, but I wouldn't necessarily call it absolutely nonsensical. Like, I assume the ripped tights and boots combo are a visual call back to Tatyana after she gets electrocuted by Volgin and the bikini is a reference to the 'Bikini Girls with Guns' trope prevalent in a number of schlocky 80s B-movies (and later referenced in Jackie Brown).
Like I say, I'm not defending the design choice (or indeed how the character is handled and portrayed) but I don't think her get up came completely out of nowhere.
Yeah. Way better than what she got as standard.
LyleLanley
Banned
Quiet would've been much better if they didn't make some ridiculous excuse to have her wear a bikini the entire time.
A Link to the Past
Banned
I really don't like the outfit, but this is the real problem with Quiet. Kojima is apparently ashamed of the idea of just including a sexual character, so he has to make bullshit excuses for it instead (which out of hilarious coincidence, several other designers made similar excuses around the same time).
BreezyLimbo
Banned
"Headcanon"
I guess thats all left for you to argue when your argument has been one yourube click away from being proven wrong, lol.
As for the latter part, thats just like, your opinion, man.
So, you saying essentially "nuh uh you're wrong!" is proving someone wrong?
CelticVegas
Banned
After what i saw on the Gravity Rush thread, where someone was embaressed by this
I can only laugh when someone say "this is embarassing"
Like, there are people that freak out the istant they see 5cm of skin.
Also, most of the people fall into the kojima "words and deeds" phrase.
He always trolls, always. But keep going with this embarassing thread.
I can only laugh when someone say "this is embarassing"
Like, there are people that freak out the istant they see 5cm of skin.
Also, most of the people fall into the kojima "words and deeds" phrase.
He always trolls, always. But keep going with this embarassing thread.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Nope. Again, you can look at my previous posts involving Eden where I post youtube links. For example, Eden was arguing that the camera kept zooming in on her breasts during the torture scene for no reason but to sexualize her, when the scene showed none of that intent.
Unless you think accusing of someone having a "headcanon" is an actual argument?
A Link to the Past
Banned
After what i saw on the Gravity Rush thread, where someone was embaressed by this
I can only laugh when someone say "this is embarassing"
Like, there is people that freak out the istant they see 5cm of skin.
Also, most of the people fall into the kojima "words and deeds" phrase.
He always trolls, always. But keep going with this embarassing thread.
Yeah, no. Quiet is an abomination, lol.
Mr. Poolman
Member
WrenchNinja
Member
Comparing Kat to Quiet is ludicrous. What a terrible post.After what i saw on the Gravity Rush thread, where someone was embaressed by this
I can only laugh when someone say "this is embarassing"
Like, there are people that freak out the istant they see 5cm of skin.
Also, most of the people fall into the kojima "words and deeds" phrase.
He always trolls, always. But keep going with this embarassing thread.
CelticVegas
Banned
Ajem.
I don't understand. Is this supposed to be funny/sarcastic? Is this thread only based on this comic?
Meh.
People freaked out in the Twitch "girl with the cat" thread. Because she shows her cleavage on Twitch, and people were insulting her for this. This thread is no different.
I have seen those posts, and the camera and direction absolutely does focus on her breasts an unnecessary amount of time. Saying "no it doesn't" is not proof. It is an opinion.
CelticVegas
Banned
Lol you don't even tried to understand what i was saying. LOL.
I was saying that people gets embarassed by nothing. Quiet it's just a fictional character.
Yes, a cringe inducing fictional character.
A Link to the Past
Banned
1. It's a comic making fun of the pathetic excuses people give to say that a female character is a strong female character.
2. Allow me to point something out.
Streamer - person
Quiet - code
One of these is made by a guy and made to dress and act in a certain way. (and not because it helps her breath).
CelticVegas
Banned
Quiet is still a strong character, naked or not. It's my favorite character in MGSV, and her sidestory (with Paz too) are the only positive things i can say about the story and character of MGSV. But most of you just focus on the fact that she's naked, and give her less credit because of this. Isn't this sexist too? And what's the point of being upset over a fictional character? You like her: fine. You don't like her: you move over. That's what i do.
Edit: yes, she's made in a certain way. Isn't it obvious why? Tits. She is a strong character AND a sexual fantasy. No need to complain about this. (Also, why are you complaining if you're a male lol)
Meccanical
Member
Jesus christ this thread is still here?
I assume this discussion is progressing towards something and not going in circles.
I assume this discussion is progressing towards something and not going in circles.
A Link to the Past
Banned
This begs the question - we as gamers (and really anyone) dwell on things that we do not like in games that we do like. If you don't like the story of MGSV, do you think it a valid thing for someone to say "just move on"? If not, why is it okay to dismiss criticism of her character in this way?
Further, focus on her nudity? Well, unless I had Kojima at gunpoint and forced him to make her roll around while wearing barely any clothing and then say "oh I totally did this because she needs to breath through her skin", I didn't focus on anything. I'm focusing on how they designed her. Refer to the comic again - the comic is about making characters like Quiet who exist as fanservice and then pretending like you had a good or noble reason to have done so. Kojima's excuse was pathetic, and it made me respect him less because he can't even be honest about her design.
The arguments that reduce her to just her outfit and ignore everything else with excuses that amount to 'She is fictional and made so by men' or 'not a fit for MGS story and tone' are an abomination.
Oh, and 'lol'.
hahahahahah oh god my sides oh geez oh god
CelticVegas
Banned
You're reaching. Kojima is well know for trolling. You're upset over nothing.
One last thing: one thing is critic one thing, one is keep going on the same thing for 20more pages. And before this, there was other threads made by posts of the same people here.
I already said mine about MGSV story, and i didn't like it. But i don't repeat myself over and over because i'm frustrated. You were also in the Street Fighter V changes thread so i have to think you have just a problem with nudity and fanservice.
I tell you this: a little fanscervice doesn't hurt anyone.
Also, let girls talk about what makes girls worst or better. Let them fight their fight.
Edit: i say this because a lot of girls doesn't have issues with Quiet, and they like her.
WrenchNinja
Member
I do understand. You're comparing people criticising the fanservice in Gravity Rush to people criticising the outrageous garbage peddled in this game. You think Quiet is a strong character with a good story (in a game devoid of both to begin with), well you will probably be amazed by Gravity Rush, starring a female heroine who actually has some self-determinism in her own story and isnt just a glorified item with boobs to call upon in the menu right below the horse and dog and above the robot.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Yes because she gets electroshocked on her chest, acid spilt on her face and chest, and water poured over her. These are valid reasons for the camera to look in those afflicted areas. And itstands to reason that a scene focusing on Quiet is going to be pointed at her direction. "Unnecessary" implies that the scene isnt of her and yet its pointed in her direction. No, just like when Huey gets tortured it focuses on his afflictions, then its not "unnecessary" when the same happens to Quiet.
A Link to the Past
Banned
Nothing wrong with fanservice indeed. Bayonetta, for instance. Something wrong with there being fanservice shoehorned into a game without context to explain why the fuck Quiet is mugging for the camera constantly. Also, considering Quiet's outfit is justified (barely) by her backstory, how is it trolling that he made up that ridiculous reason for her to wear a stupid outfit?
AmaterasuOni
Banned
I don't know what's so embarrassing in Quiet. Look at Grayson Hunt in Bulletstorm or Blazkowicz in Wolfenstein. It's ok for male characters to be overly sexified, but there's always something wrong in female characters made the same way. Biased or what?
Right, they (the game devs) chose to torture her breasts so that the camera could focus on her breasts. They also don't need to focus on her breasts for any of it. It would make more sense to focus on her face so you could see the pain in her expressions*. They could also use, I don't know, good direction, to show how she's being tortured without making it into fucking titillation over and over and over.
What is the link you're not seeing here?
*The joke is she has no expressions because she's just walking tits and ass.
CelticVegas
Banned
Oh my god, what? Jesus. I'm out.
Also, i already played Gravity Rush, you don't need to tell me nothing.
But you're so blind that you see Quiet just as an object and nothing else. This is sexist, sorry. You are more sexist of who created her and gave her a backstory and strong powers.
But those are strong and empowered breasts!
Meccanical
Member
No no no, what you are referencing is a "male power fantasy" not a sexualized male.
Sexualized males don't exist.
Yes it's a crock of shit but someone will use this argument I know it
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
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Teh fuck is this? I'm on phone so can't see shit, but since when did Big Boss cry during this?
A Link to the Past
Banned
What about Grayson Hunt is over-sexualized?
If criticizing Quiet makes you sexist, then that would mean that no character can be criticized for being sexualized. Are you suggesting that no character, ever, has been over-sexualized and should be criticized for having been so?