I think GoW III has outsold both despite the smaller install base and less time, iirc.
I think GoW: A has had a mixed response overall -- but I think Sony is probably okay with 600k.
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I think GoW: A has had a mixed response overall -- but I think Sony is probably okay with 600k.
Edit: thinkthinktinntitnthitntikthink
There are only 4 console games, and beating the first one isn't impressive, as it was a new IP.
Why the "We". You rooting for a sports team or something?
I have no doubts that he was right at the time, but given that he mentioned he was ex-EA, the main question in my mind is if that has changed after all the cuts EA has done.
Zoramon089
Banned
I'm sure Capcom was ecstatic that RE4 PS2 sold a little less than twice the GC amount on a system with over 7x the fanbase. Surely the GC version was the failure in that case!
So basically you're going to ignore the "everything else"? If you think only kiddy 3rd party games sold well on the Wii you're clearly not looking at any more than kid friendly titles...pretty sure all the CoDs were million sellers. The RE games sold well too
MrCookiepants
Member
theviolenthero
Member
The Wii U from a 3rd party perspective is officially dead,unfortunately.
If exclusives are flopping then multi-plat's like Splinter Cell,Watch Dogs,Batman,etc... have no chance.
I may have to go ahead and dump mine while the prices are still high and re-buy one a few years from now when it's much cheaper.
Sad day, but i knew it was coming.
Unintentional, but I laughed so damn loud at this post.
It's like, if they're nervous about this, it's because they actually believed it...wait for it...had a shot. Haw!!
If he is a WiiU owner, wouldn't it be "we"?
Mystic_Wanderer
Member
Do we have hardware numbers for anything other than 360 yet?
Can Crusher
Banned
I'm pretty sure I meant something else.
From release date, to install base. What's next to justify under 10k for NFS?
I've said it before and I'll say it again. There'll be no FIFA or Madden for the WiiU. I'll like to be proven wrong, but there's more of a chance of PS2/PSP versions of both.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Oh yea it definantely would be a coffin nail for no ea support. I dont buy sports games on Wii U most likely on 720 next gen like 360 this gen im just being realistic based off EAs history with the franchise not like everybody else quickly accusing and stuff.
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
Tiger Woods on Wii was once the best selling version for multiple years, I just couldn't imagine them not at least giving WiiU a chance with the series.
Oh yea, MH is a kinda game you would want digitally, but I think that card should be left unplayed.
prag16
Banned
No, not really. No. Not at all.
maybe at the time they had no idea it would result in the same sales that it did, and it took them a bit to come up with a new idea? i dunno i just don't see how releasing a new handheld every year is bad. it seems like common sense business with the market that is out there right now, cellphones every year and stuff. i think you could slim down this OG 3DS that I have quite a bit and make a nice sexy device out of it.
but i have no idea how the other factors like retailers would react to that, so i'm not sure if there was anything else like that i'm missing out on.
Little Green Yoda
Member
Didn't MH3U get very small shipments? I wish we got sellthrough numbers.
I think LEGO City did fairly well considering the user base.
However, it seems like third party games on Nintendo platforms are always gimped in some way. How many people have come to expect the Nintendo version to be gimped off the bat. I know I have. There's always some problem and then they'll blame the userbase for it's failings. I'll admit that NFS is a pretty good port, but at the same time it has not DLC options and this is important for car games. The latest Injustice game also has problems on the Wii U. Either the game is late, or isn't the same as the others in a negative way.
This kind of thing has to stop. If they give everyone the same game at the same time, and the game sells terrible, then I can see where they're coming from, but that usually isn't the case.
gamergirly
Member
Yeah, 100K at this point is a good number for a non-1st party Wii U game. Looking at Reggie's shrunken face, I think they got something going on at E3 lol
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Surely if every gamecube owner bought RE4 it wouldve sold better. But thats just not realistic
MrCookiepants
Member
Oh wow. I could have sworn GoW II did 550k. Nevermind my previous posts then.
Portugeezer
Member
Did Criterion ever release a 5 month old port for $60 on a platform struggling to sell?
polyh3dron
Banned
Lego City Undercover is a Nintendo-produced and published game. It's about as non-first party as Eternal Darkness was.
Well it did kind of crash at one point though:
Source: http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/...c_Wii_Decline_May_Point_To_Scandal_Damage.phpGamasutra said:
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
What you mean reggies shruken face?
pharmboy044
Member
Woah, GOW:A did better then I thought it would due to how it was reviewed.
Can Crusher
Banned
So why did Zelda Twilight Princess sell much more on Wii vs GC?
prag16
Banned
Yeah. I think we could get ONE to test the waters. Next year when the install base is a bit bigger perhaps. And it'll probably have the art style of the wii Madden games. -_-.
bigtroyjon
Member
Revenue is up 261 million yoy for the quarter, Xbox Live not only filled the gap, it led to a huge increase.
FreedomFighter
Member
Why is owning a Wii U and a PS3 or 360 mutually exclusive?
Hell, even here on GAF people talk about owning a Wii U just for Nintendo games.
From the console hardware graph, here's what people have posted, so far.
shinra-bansho:
Purple = 261K
Green = 209.5K
Red = 86.7K
Blue = 63.7K
Durante:
Wii U 67
Wii 91
PS3 212
X360 261
Road:
Wii U 67
Wii 91
PS3 212
X360 261
jvm:
Xbox 360 = 261K
PS3 = 210K
Wii = 92K
Wii U = 68K
me:
Purple = 261K
Green = 213K
Red = 91.9
Blue = 69
Since Road and Durante's 1) match and 2) are closer to what I came up with, will go with theirs for the consoles, unless better data comes up. Just need a real handheld number, then ...
shinra-bansho:
Purple = 261K
Green = 209.5K
Red = 86.7K
Blue = 63.7K
Durante:
Wii U 67
Wii 91
PS3 212
X360 261
Road:
Wii U 67
Wii 91
PS3 212
X360 261
jvm:
Xbox 360 = 261K
PS3 = 210K
Wii = 92K
Wii U = 68K
me:
Purple = 261K
Green = 213K
Red = 91.9
Blue = 69
Since Road and Durante's 1) match and 2) are closer to what I came up with, will go with theirs for the consoles, unless better data comes up. Just need a real handheld number, then ...
Yes, exactly. He's saying that Wii U owners will be blamed for bad sales on Wii U vs. bad sales on PS360 must mean something else besides the owners fault. In that case if he owns a Wii U, it is a correct use of "we."
TheNatural
My Member!
That happens when people look for any minor excuse to rationalize poor sales.
Look at PS2. It was by far the weakest console and in practically all the head to heads against XBox and/or Gamecube at the time, it's third party games were almost always gimped graphically in comparison, lacking AA or some other things. Yet they sold circles around other versions almost always.
Missing a DLC here or there or some goofy feature is practically meaningless. It's looking for an excuse. The games aren't selling, not because people are sitting on message boards comparing every little thing, but because the userbase just doesn't buy those games.
FreedomFighter
Member
Really, dude?
EDIT: Nevermind.
Nate understands what happened there.
Portugeezer
Member
Well does it have a good multiplat worth buying? 5 month old port with $60 price tag is not worth waiting for Wii U version then buying.
Can Crusher
Banned
The premise that 95% of Wii U owners are Nintendo fans who only buy Nintendo software on Nintendo hardware is the root of the problem.
Hence the problem isn't that the game came later, it's that they would never buy the game on a Nintendo system anyway, because they have the other systems for that.
prag16
Banned
Right, which is why trying to pass off the RE4 late port situation as equivalent to the NFS situation is disingenuous.
sacrificengineer
Member
Then Ascension is the second biggest launch in the series. Similar situation was in UK as well. It's pretty decent after all, especially considering that it outsold Judgment, if we count bundles, and it's a spin-off title.
It "crashed" to only doing more like the PS3/360 versions had been doing. That's also the version following the whole infidelity scandal for Tiger Woods, too, so it makes sense that the mainstream version of the game, the one more likely to be bought for the name attached to it, would suffer when the name attached to it is besmudged.
Edit:
In fact, all the versions had drops that year, but Wii's was just far and away the biggest drop, since it was 1) bundled with Motion+ before Wii Sports Resort was even released the year before and 2) the most exposed to mainstream buying changes. There really wasn't a legitimate sales reason to drop the Wii version from TW13 on, in my opinion.
also, looks like OK sales on MH3U and Lego. as good as they would've ever gotten. pretty bad numbers on NFS. I hope they weren't expecting much from it.
i'm still completely confident that Wii U can recover and do great numbers. i haven't see a cross-gen strategy from MS/Sony yet that will prevent it from catching on. this stuff is far from doomed, but it is a funny situation to look at in the moment.
i'm still completely confident that Wii U can recover and do great numbers. i haven't see a cross-gen strategy from MS/Sony yet that will prevent it from catching on. this stuff is far from doomed, but it is a funny situation to look at in the moment.
bigtroyjon
Member
I don't understand this thought that Wii U games are going to have long legs(i.e. Lego City). Wii games had long legs because the Wii was selling a shitload of hardware every month. New users pick up games with those consoles along with the huge install base that already existed.
Why would a current Wii U owner interested in Lego City not have already bought the game? It's not like they have a backlog to work through based on software sales numbers.
Why would a current Wii U owner interested in Lego City not have already bought the game? It's not like they have a backlog to work through based on software sales numbers.
Dr. Feel Good
Banned
We're comparing the PS2 and the Wii U to be on some kind of comparable level? PS2 graphics were never an issue.
GoW2 was actually 833K, but yeah it's still not horrendous given it wasn't numbered.
MikeE21286
Member
I do think comparing it to GOWII is pretty appropriate.
When you take into account tha ps2 install base was probably >1.5x that of ps3 at the time each were released and the ps3 was already released when GOWII came out I'd say Ascension did reasonably well comparably.
You could also make the argument that GOW is now a bigger property than when GOWII was released. Not sure though if that's measurable or even valid.
gamergirly
Member
Looks like his face has gotten smaller to me. Used to be a little more puffy or something......
Can Crusher
Banned
Trying to pass the idea that the problem is that it's a late port is what's disingenuous. That doesn't explain sub 10k at all.