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NPD Sales Results for November 2013 [Up3: Zelda, Pokemon, Mario, 3DS, Wii U]
- Thread starter Nirolak
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Phoenician_Viking
Banned
What? There are plenty of variety on these list. If you don´t like them that is your problem.
Wolves Evolve
Member
So we enter December with 909 for X1 and 1158 for PS4. December where Sony will be spread hugely thin but has good early adopter word of mouth. So we can expect maybe X1 to outpace PS4 in Dec but not drastically?
airmangataosenai
Member
...... What?
Chobel
Member
Now the biggest question; where did 1138 come from?
intheinbetween
Member
so I don't think anyone should be mocking MS for the XB1 sale numbers, I think it did pretty good having in mind it's more expensive than PS4 and it got released a week later
anexanhume
Member
That 1M in 24 hours was all of NA. 1.1M is for US alone.
shinra-bansho
Member
Oh, I should note I'm still using the 220K figure for Wii U.
I don't know if the number 232K posted by famousmortimer is closer - but it ends up being a 364% increase over October which doesn't fit with Nintendo's PR of 340%.
I don't know if the number 232K posted by famousmortimer is closer - but it ends up being a 364% increase over October which doesn't fit with Nintendo's PR of 340%.
ethomaz
Banned
I think I did a mistake.... I forgot Wii.
PS4: 1151k (estimate)
Xbone: 909k
360: 647k
Wii U: 232k
PS3 + Wii: 14%
PS4 + Xbone + 360 + Wii U = 86%
2939 = 86%
3417 = 100%
PS3: 410k
Wii: 68k
I think 1150k for PS4 and 410k for PS3 is a close number minimum number..
Salvor.Hardin
Banned
A different poster (I can't remember who) mentioned that the PS4 was 1138k earlier in the thread, and he/she attributed the number as coming from creamsugar, I'm guessing that's what creamsugar is referring to when he says that someone already mentioned it earlier. Maybe creamsugar mentioned it in a different forum, or twitter, or somewhere - but that seems to be the number, and creamsugar kind of verified it by referring back to that previous poster's comment.
anexanhume
Member
They said over 340%.
Version 3.0
Member
Shouldn't that be 1558?
MetalGuardian
Banned
Wasn't it incredibly obvious though that the 3DS was never going to match lifetime sales of the OG DS? Surely Nintendo has market analysts that could have clued them in on that. Even in the case of the Wii U, I don't think Nintendo ever originally expected it to do Wii numbers. As far as projections vs. reality goes, I still don't think that's an accurate litmus test. If a system sells less than the company forecasts, that definitely doesn't automatically qualify it as a failure.
Do we have any clue as to how profitable the 3DS hardware and game sales are for Nintendo? I'd be incredibly curious to read into that (but I doubt that information is available.)
Yeah, it seems like this is the case. It probably didn't break a million PRECISELY BECAUSE of the two new console launches. Given all of the circumstances, 770K seems fine.
Japan isn't included.
shinra-bansho
Member
Oops, yeah typo.
340% is a very specific percentage change to cite for PR. If it was 350%, or 360%, or 370% they would have cited that.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
If they announce the numbers when they are great, when they don't announce the numbers, the assumption is that they are bad. So they never announce the numbers, mostly to avoid putting the Vita in a bad light.
Japan is February.
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
Chobel
Member
They would pick up 350% or 360% if that was the case.
anexanhume
Member
Version 3.0
Member
Because for months, they haven't done so, presumably because they were selling less than Microsoft. Maybe they're just in the habit of not doing so? Maybe they don't want it to look like any time they don't do so means a negative result? Maybe they just like their 2.1 million worldwide number to remain the one that's out there?
Who knows.
Because it's better PR for them to announce global numbers from now on.
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
I guess I'm the only one asking for the numbers/split for Just Dance, Disney and Skylanders....
=(.
Btw, I do think Mario Kart & Smash have a chance of doing better than 3D Mario. Part of it is that Nintendo's output for the Wii U (and games that were mostly targeted to the Wii U audience) has basically been platformers and minigame collections.
Platformers:
NSMBU + Luigi U
Mario 3D World
Sonic Lost World
Rayman Legends
Minigame Colections:
Nintendo Land
Game & Wario
Mario & Sonic
Wii Party U
Basically the only exceptions to this were Lego City, WWHD, Pikmin 3 and Wonderful 101. The latter definitely bombed, but I think that's because folks are hesistant to jump onto a platform for a new franchise that got middling reviews. On the other hand Pikmin 3 seemed to sell somewhat decently (opened at a bit over 100k iirc). Zelda was a pretty remake, but that's it.
If you aren't a fan of platformers or mini-game collections, you have to either be interested in third party ports (which are typically better or at best on par with 360/PS3), or really interested in the couple exclusive titles that were different (ZombiU, Lego City (over GTA V?), Pikmin 3, or Wonderful 101).
Mario Kart & Smash are at least big known entities in different genres than the ones above. We'll see whether that makes any difference though....
=(.
Btw, I do think Mario Kart & Smash have a chance of doing better than 3D Mario. Part of it is that Nintendo's output for the Wii U (and games that were mostly targeted to the Wii U audience) has basically been platformers and minigame collections.
Platformers:
NSMBU + Luigi U
Mario 3D World
Sonic Lost World
Rayman Legends
Minigame Colections:
Nintendo Land
Game & Wario
Mario & Sonic
Wii Party U
Basically the only exceptions to this were Lego City, WWHD, Pikmin 3 and Wonderful 101. The latter definitely bombed, but I think that's because folks are hesistant to jump onto a platform for a new franchise that got middling reviews. On the other hand Pikmin 3 seemed to sell somewhat decently (opened at a bit over 100k iirc). Zelda was a pretty remake, but that's it.
If you aren't a fan of platformers or mini-game collections, you have to either be interested in third party ports (which are typically better or at best on par with 360/PS3), or really interested in the couple exclusive titles that were different (ZombiU, Lego City (over GTA V?), Pikmin 3, or Wonderful 101).
Mario Kart & Smash are at least big known entities in different genres than the ones above. We'll see whether that makes any difference though....
Nightengale
Member
I'm very happy to see the consoles off to the amazing start that they're at, but frankly,I'm also not ready to start clapping hands for either one of these consoles until after they both break the 5mil mark.
I'm of the opinion that both consoles are still in their 'launch euphoria' stage, that happens to be far stronger than previous gens due to the existence of two highly popular platforms doing very very well, a very long generation before this & a ton of pent-up demand. An euphoria that both consoles won't shake off until they reach the 5m mark.
There's still a meek pessimistic ghost in me who fears that sales will plummet after they've sold out to their most dedicated core fans, whom I believe both consoles have at least 5m of them, easily.
theprodigy
Member
or you could spin it like Major Nelson, lol
Chobel
Member
If it was 364% they would use 360%, or at least use the more friendly number 350%.
shinra-bansho
Member
Why are you quoting things I've already read to me?
340% is such a specific figure for PR to use. It's definitely between 340%-350%, otherwise they would simply say "over 350%." That would max it at around 227k, unless the range provided for October is slightly inaccurate.
anexanhume
Member
I'd bet Sony does 5M by launch of Infamous SS and >8M by end of calendar 2014.
You guys misunderstand. I was saying that they said "over 340%", not that I thought they said a number higher than 340%.
Chobel
Member
Even Major Nelson can't spin the Vita numbers.
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
Anyway, I feel like the next 3 months will be predictable for NPD results, going off of Sony's schedule. Mark my words!~
December: Xbox One wins NA
January: PS4 takes back NA
February: Xbox One wins NA again
After that, it's anyone's guess with both Titanfall and Infamous coming out. We'll see how much both exclusives pull.
December: Xbox One wins NA
January: PS4 takes back NA
February: Xbox One wins NA again
After that, it's anyone's guess with both Titanfall and Infamous coming out. We'll see how much both exclusives pull.
NoirVisage
Banned
his statement was childish.
Its practically saying, "if the competition hadn't released a console and did better, these numbers would be the best" that's kinda silly, and ultimately moot.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
Princess Peach should get her own year.
Nightengale
Member
Surprised me, too. This is anecdotal, but demand is pretty high around here.
Even at crazy prices ( $500 range ), the console's back-ordered till late Jan/Feb. Some bundles are still available at launch, but 90% of all the SKUs are already 'poof!.'
Codeblew
Member
Is that Tempest 2k on the Atari Jaguar in your avatar?
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Version 3.0
Member
I wouldn't worry too much about it. These are record-breaking launches. Remember Sony's "we could sell 5 million units without any games" comment from last gen? Yeah, that didn't work out for them. The demand is real. The home console market may well contract significantly from last gen, but these machines are going to hit 100+ million combined without breaking a sweat, and that's a large, perfectly viable market.
Not really. Microsoft most likely has better stock in the U.S compared to Sony.
KillerTravis
Banned
Best selling portable videogame console with a backtouch panel.
Chobel
Member
You can always post something new, like PS4 sales for example.
anexanhume
Member
Seems to be merely a question of unit allocation. They both seem to be able to churn out about the same number of units per month.
Version 3.0
Member
Indeed it is.
Yeah, but do we remember where the October number came from (honest question - I don't remember offhand, and I'm too lazy to go digging for it). But I've got WiiU at 51k for October, which would make 232k a 355% increase - you've got WiiU at 50k, which makes for a 364% increase. You can see how quickly small numbers can change the percentage.
Just a 1k shift in October's number changes the increase by 9+%. Do we have a hard and fast number for October, or is just a range based on some percentage multiplier from a previous month's number that we also don't know exactly, etc. etc. etc.?