B-Rad Lascelle said:This is true. But then, one could easily connect the dots by how well the individual Move/Kinect titles are selling. Those would be classified as games.
If titles like Sports Champions and Kinect Sports are nowhere to be found on the NPD Top 20 while Wii Sports Resort continues to surface despite being A) over a year old and B) bundled with Wii hardware, there would be questions.
This is what I'm thinking also.Warm Machine said:If anyone would like to bury sales data it would be the person in last place. That said, I doubt this has to do with any of the players and more to do with NPD keeping things private so their subscriptions have more value.
The Faceless Master said:if we get custom tags and 200 posts per page, i'm in!
The Nielsen company is the only one that could compete with NPD. In fact, they already track retail point-of-sales for pretty much everything but video-games.B-Rad Lascelle said:Which one of these guys is in the best position to make a move on NPD's hallowed gaming data ground? And what is needed to make it happen (i.e. cash infusion, manpower, creative approach to doing what NPD does but better/cheaper, etc.)
Regulus Tera said:Yeah, but, motion control wars!
Kusagari said:Great, we're about to enter the dark ages of the Genesis vs SNES console war all over again. Now, we can only 'rely' on ioi's bs numbers and antecedal evidence. This is only going to make the Kinect vs Move debate 5000x worse.
SonofaBeep said:MS has a lot more sway with retailers and telling them what to report to NPD than NPD does. I don't understand why it's so crazy to think that Microsoft could tell NPD what to do in a not so subtle way.
jkanownik said:Both titles you mentioned are bundled with the hardware (i.e. they could be classified as accessories). The console bundle details wouldn't normally be released either. Look at the reported software numbers from last November and December:
http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/NPD_sales_figures
There is no way to make conclusions about the success of Move or Kinect based on whether or not software titles would fall on those charts. Just Dance not being on the list in November and coming in at #20 in December is a perfect example. I don't think this announcement really has any effect on public information on how Move or Kinect are performing.
kswiston said:Haha. Just need to sell Evilore on the idea. Access to NPD data on subscriber sub-forum, subscriber user names in gold instead of blue, 200 post-per-page option, and the return of the search feature for subscribers. $50 a year.
Cheech said:This makes a ton of sense, actually. But still, I would be shocked if it was just one customer screaming for this change. DLC sales have gotten too big for the publishers to not be involved, IMO.
mj1108 said:I remember this happening one time before then not long after NPD changed it's mind....
u madSegata Sanshiro said:Yes, having fewer facts in hand often makes for more elevated discourse.
I heard Yale is burning their library just so that things can be more pleasant on a day-to-day basis on the campus.
Winner winner chicken dinner!Dave Long said:This could easily be seen as all the third-parties AND Sony and Microsoft banding together against Nintendo.
I'll pay up front. $100 or less. Get 99 more of me and we're set.SlipperySlope said:I'd probably pay. We'd probably have to sign NDA's though. And we'd get the whole spreadsheet.
The question then becomes what happens if we end up under 10K or whatever the number is? That report is really fucking expensive.
Screw those guys. We'll have the '+' boards all to ourselves to partake in civil discussion. Let the general gaming board devolve into GameFAQs.SlipperySlope said:But that would only solve part of the problem. The other half of the problem, the general gaming board, would still devolve into shit since the people with the #'s can't talk about them so the people not in the know will run their mouths unchecked.
It is a preview of GAF without numbers. Clearly much better than before.gcubed said:the conspiracy theories posted in this thread are quickly surpassing OT levels. I blame the CIA because the Assange dude wanted to see the numbers, so the CIA had to quickly hire someone to be raped by him and then shut down NPD public reveals.
beelzebozo said:anti-sales talk people clearly like the loser companies
They could easily get around this by giving out more information instead of less, too. Simply have a Top 10 for games released in that month and another Top 10 for games released before the month began. Instant separation and also retained credibility.B-Rad Lascelle said:Winner winner chicken dinner!
This has everything to do with 4-year-old Mario Kart DS trouncing single SKU sales of certain multiplatform titles released that very month.
Can we go in to the poor people NPD thread and make vague statements?kswiston said:Time to release NeoGAF+. $50 a year, with access to NPD numbers on a private sub-forum for subscribers. Only need 200 members to break even!
Jinfash said:Look on the bright side guys, now that we won't have the monthly NPD thread maybe we can have the old search feature back!
kswiston said:Haha. Just need to sell Evilore on the idea. Access to NPD data on subscriber sub-forum, subscriber user names in gold instead of blue, 200 post-per-page option, and the return of the search feature for subscribers. $50 a year.
Aye. Sometimes the simplest explanations are also the most likely: NPD is withholding more information so as to drive up their subscription numbers and improve their revenue. Which they can do without worry because they have no competition.gcubed said:the conspiracy theories posted in this thread are quickly surpassing OT levels. I blame the CIA because the Assange dude wanted to see the numbers, so the CIA had to quickly hire someone to be raped by him and then shut down NPD public reveals.
duckroll said:Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha 50 bucks a year. Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Sorry.
This would be a worthy exchange, but IIRC this was related to the sheer use of the board on average, not just at peak levels like NPD Day.Jinfash said:Look on the bright side guys, now that we won't have the monthly NPD thread maybe we can have the old search feature back!
:lolpoppabk said:"There are 5 games, one game sold twice as much as another game which sold 5,000 more copies than another game. The best selling game sold 3 times as much as the second lowest selling game which...."
Road said:It is a preview of GAF without numbers. Clearly much better than before.
duckroll said:Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha 50 bucks a year. Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Sorry.
But the sales figures have helped cement the 3rd parties don't sell on Wii theory. Given the large off chart sales of Wii games, they actually have a lot to lose, depending on what data subscribers see and pay attention to.Dave Long said:The more I think about it, I think everyone in the industry probably wants this change with the exception of Nintendo, and Nintendo have usually not worried too much about sales figures because videogames are their main business and they're not going anywhere regardless of what the charts say.
:lolGravijah said:it's just a few snickers bars a month
SonOfABeep said:it's very possible MS wants to hide the inevitable failure of kinect and it's software.
Mama Robotnik said:They've give us free data for years. They have been insanely generous, and I salute them for that.
I tried this. Like two weeks ago. Barely anyone cared (judging from traffic figures).Dave Long said:They could easily get around this by giving out more information instead of less, too. Simply have a Top 10 for games released in that month and another Top 10 for games released before the month began. Instant separation and also retained credibility