Kiru
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I noticed that the card is not utilized to the fullest in WoW even though I have an i7 4790K. I get a few drops below 60 fps and the card is not on the max. boost clock. Maybe the driver is not really optimized ?
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Nvidia Geforce GTX 1070 Review Thread
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I noticed that the card is not utilized to the fullest in WoW even though I have an i7 4790K. I get a few drops below 60 fps and the card is not on the max. boost clock. Maybe the driver is not really optimized ?
SmartWaffles
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WoW is very poorly optimized, especially its CPU ultilization, basically it can't effectively use more than 4 or even less threads, leading to poor GPU drawcall efficiency.
Turn down view distance to 7 or 8. You won't notice the difference until they introduce flying mounts. Liquid Quality can also be turned down one notch from max. Also not a major downgrade. With these settings you shouldn't drop that low. Suramar is still a pretty intensive area though, so don't expect 60fps locked.
I've just been dipping through some 4k performance benchmarks for the 1070. I was wondering, would any of you play at 4k30fps capped and be happy with it?
Personally, never really been one to monitor framerates but if I got a 4k TV, I'd consider having that as an option if it meant to could dial up the pretties.
Personally, never really been one to monitor framerates but if I got a 4k TV, I'd consider having that as an option if it meant to could dial up the pretties.
From what I read, the 3570k more than holds its own nowadays as CPU's have reached a bit of a ceiling. I gathered that you really need to overclock to push things higher.
I didn't say the 970 was comparable, I just said the 1070 isn't an enormous difference when you think about it. It's not night and day like some people presume, and this is coming from someone who made this exact upgrade.
Locked 60FPS 1440p isn't possible in ROTR, AC Syndicate, Ryse, Crysis 3, The Division or DX:MD even with no AA and PCSS turned off. Witcher 3 and Battlefield 1are the only graphically intensive games that run at locked 60fps at 1440p for me, and this is paired with a 6600K.
A 1070 can't do 4K 30fps properly on a lot of newer games. Horizon 3 is an exception. 1620p however is much more achievable and I've recently played through ROTR like that and had a great time. Here's what I've used recently:
Mad Max - 1620p 60fps
AC Syndicate - 1620p 30fps
Horizon 3 - 4K 30fps
Bioshock Infinite - 1620p 60fps
Firewatch - 4K 60fps
AC Unity - 1620p 30fps
GTA5 - 4K 30fps
Tried this, still dipping to 40s anywhere outdoors.. annoying. D'you think I have a faulty card?
If it's 40 everywhere in the world, it seems something is not working as it should. I would certainly run benchmarks (3DMark for example) and compare graphics score with others running the same card.
Clark W Grizwald
Banned
Cut the render scale back to 100% in Wow. For some reason GeForce experience cranks it to 200%
I have an AMD R9 Nano and can only fit in (mini)ITX-style graphics cards on my PC (since its an HTPC that has taken up almost all of its slots).
I saw there was a 1070 OC miniITX by Gigabyte and looks to be a feasable card to upgrade to. I'm wondering though what are people's thoughts about the brand and/or this particular card since I've read some reviews about getting the product DOA and needed to be RMA'd back. I'm hoping not to encounter such an issue if I do buy it.
Also I was wondering about the possibility of a price drop too.
I saw there was a 1070 OC miniITX by Gigabyte and looks to be a feasable card to upgrade to. I'm wondering though what are people's thoughts about the brand and/or this particular card since I've read some reviews about getting the product DOA and needed to be RMA'd back. I'm hoping not to encounter such an issue if I do buy it.
Also I was wondering about the possibility of a price drop too.
PHOENIXZERO
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I just ordered a 1070 FTW off NewEgg due to getting $25 back making the final price $415, I was going to wait for the price to go down more and I have no interest in Gears of War 4 and was going to wait and see what the next promo is but the discount made me pull the trigger. I'm expecting Micron memory at this point but I hope I luck out with Samsung even if NVIDIA might be putting out a BIOs update to vendors to fix the problem. Aside from that, c'mon silicon lottery!
Dog help me.
Dog help me.
I kind of agree with this.
I upgraded from my 970 to a 1070 because I figured "holy shit i'm going to get (the old) Titan X performance for $400" and that would be good enough for me. But after cranking everything to the max in The Witcher 3 and The Division, the former sits at 1440/60 and the latter 1440/45 so its not even doing it 'comfortably'.
It's going to take another year of cards before 1440p can be done comfortably.
The other issue was that my 970 was fine for most other games, so if it was going to play those at a decent framerate at 1440p then I don't really see the need to get the 1070 just for one or two games. I think I could have lived with the 970.
It's not that i'm unimpressed with the performance, perhaps its that even though there's 50% performance jump, its just a borderline pass for 1440p/60 max settings for the most demanding games, and others the 970 can handle fairly well anyway.
I suppose what I really wanted was the GTX 1080 but that was another $250 that I could put to the next upgrade.
PHOENIXZERO
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Welp, my EVGA GTX 1070 FTW came this afternoon and after installing it, which took a while because the card barely fits in my OG Storm Scout and I had to rearrange things to get it in but yeah, I didn't hit the silicon lottery jackpot but I guess it's not terrible and of course Micron as all new cards seem to be switched right away to the slave BIOS since that's what I always used on my 970 SSC, minimum fan speed is set at 20%. Card's max boost was 1987 for a second and then to 1975 for a bit but even with an aggressive fan curve with PL and Target Temp set to max it still settles at 1936 in the benches/stress testing I've done so far. I need to do more playing around with over clocking but from little I did I don't know how well this card is going to like being over 2GHz, it definitely didn't like it when I accidentally set the core to 2113 and instant hard lock when Heaven started, heh. Haven't really messed with the memory yet, I'll probably do that tomorrow. Not going to bother sharing benches, we already know where the card's performance is.
Oh pretty lights!
Sold my GoW4 code pretty quickly so happy about that as I had no interest in that game. Now watch the next promo come about in a couple weeks for something I have an actual interest in. Hope NewEgg is still cool with handing out codes to recent video card buyers.
EDIT: In actual games the drop isn't as much, stayed at 1975 in GTA V/Online at least, including when I bumped some settings up. Didn't drop until I did the benchmark but only went down to 1961. Might help that my GPU fans are currently stuck at 67% after playing with Precision.
EDIT2: Yeah, did drop down to 1936 on The Crew due to nearing sixty with the fan in the 40-50% range with around 50% utilization.
EDIT 3: Oh yeah, no coil whine.
Oh pretty lights!
Sold my GoW4 code pretty quickly so happy about that as I had no interest in that game. Now watch the next promo come about in a couple weeks for something I have an actual interest in. Hope NewEgg is still cool with handing out codes to recent video card buyers.
EDIT: In actual games the drop isn't as much, stayed at 1975 in GTA V/Online at least, including when I bumped some settings up. Didn't drop until I did the benchmark but only went down to 1961. Might help that my GPU fans are currently stuck at 67% after playing with Precision.
EDIT2: Yeah, did drop down to 1936 on The Crew due to nearing sixty with the fan in the 40-50% range with around 50% utilization.
EDIT 3: Oh yeah, no coil whine.
Widdly Scuds
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so is the Asus Rog Strix OC still one of the better 1070s to get?
MrOogieBoogie
BioShock Infinite is like playing some homeless guy's vivid imagination
I don't what you guys are on about, the 1070 has amazing performance in every benchmark I've seen. The guy who said he couldn't get 60fps on certain games at 1080p.... I don't know, I don't see how that's possible at all when even the 1060 is mostly capable of such a feat.
Jibbajabbawockky
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Good to hear you finally got a 1070 and that it fits in your Storm Scout! I know mine was a super tight fit.
EVGA is apparently offering anyone with an EVGA 1080, 70 or 60 series card a free cable management thing (still pay for shipping), FWIW. I was thinking that might be nice in my Storm Scout but it seems like it just moves the power cables on the card to the end which is exactly where the 1070 is already really tight, so its probably pointless for me.
Thanks for the info, I went ahead and requested one. Will work when I step up to a 1080 however long that takes.
Turn on all the settings in Deus Ex, or PCSS in Syndicate, or VXAO in ROTR. You still get drops at certain points, it's locked 60fps about 80% of the time. Hardly overkill for 1080p.
PHOENIXZERO
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Haha yeah, the biggest thing was having to pull my Mobo cable out the side and force it through the small opening near the top to get it out of the way and moving my Samsung HDD that I have in the 5" bay due to resonance/vibration issues that came up after I added a second HDD a couple years ago to the rack, also had to scratch finally installing the front USB 3.0 ports that came with my motherboard, might've been able to reroute that cable too but after messing with the other stuff I just wanted to test the card out. Plus I thought I had a 2.5" to 5" bracket but I couldn't find it, I'll just keep using the 3.0 ports on my monitor for a while longer not as if I have a ton of USB3 devices.
I saw the promotion for that on NewEgg's page and ordered one unless shipping costs are ridiculous, also not sure it'd actually be useful for the same reason.
Games that are CPU dependent. I can run The Witcher 3 maxed out at 1080p/60 FPS with my i5 6500 / GTX 1070, but with a moderately sized city in Cities:Skylines, it drops to under 45 FPS.
PHOENIXZERO
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From further testing with Heaven,Time Spy, Firestrike and a few games I've done so far +110 on the GPU where it's settle at mid-upper 50s at 2050 with a fan curve that hits 90% before reaching 60C and yeah hitting/exceeding 2100MHz isn't a go on this card.
VRAM with that above has been stable in all my testing so far at +125 or +250 going by Afterburner to 8500MHz effective, tried adding a little more to reach 8600MHz and that was a nope it was fine in a couple successful runs through Heaven but soon as I quit and it closed I was greeted by the checkerboard.
What was the qualifier for winning the silicon lottery when it came to default boosted clock? 2GHz+?
VRAM with that above has been stable in all my testing so far at +125 or +250 going by Afterburner to 8500MHz effective, tried adding a little more to reach 8600MHz and that was a nope it was fine in a couple successful runs through Heaven but soon as I quit and it closed I was greeted by the checkerboard.
What was the qualifier for winning the silicon lottery when it came to default boosted clock? 2GHz+?
dgrdsv
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It's using stock clocks and this is where the chips which aren't OCing good go probably but otherwise it should be a good card.
Temperature wise KFA2 is better, I would pick it over the ASUS Dual if it's the same price.
KFA review: http://hardwareoverclock.com/KFA2-GeForce-GTX-1070-EX-OC.htm
ASUS Dual review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tneld4S7NgU
Surprised to see someone complain about wow. I have a MSI Gaming x 1070 in my newly built rig (note, I have a i76700k, in case that makes the difference) and in WoW, with everything maxed out (no additional changes made, including zero OCing), I can't get the game to dip below 60 at 4k but for a few fleeting moments. Raids, questing, dungeons - all of it holds up. Odd some have issues.
Oh that I understand, I'm talking more with the assumption that someone has a good CPU like a 4790 or higher.
Thanks for the replies. GeForce GTX 1070 FTW ACX 3.0 would be 45 more, worth it?
Makoto-Yuki
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My overclock became unstable after driver 373.06. Card was at +100/+400 and i was getting artifacts flashing on the screen. Turned it down to +90/+375.
I agree with this. There's actually a lot of cases where I'm getting double the performance of my 970, not 50% more. Probably the biggest single gen video card update I've ever done. (Maybe Voodoo 1 -> 2 was like this can't remember)
Dio Brando
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sign me up on that list. i'm still surprised by the performance jump im getting with mine. it's ridiculous.
ISee
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I have the exact same setup as you and in my experience WoW is running into CPU bottleneck situations more than GPU. Sometimes I see CPU load go up on one thread up to 80% while the rest stays between 5-20%, while GPU load and fps go down simultaneously.
PHOENIXZERO
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Is WoW still poorly threaded or have they improved it? Last time I played I think it only utilized two cores and didn't really utilize the second all that well.
Also EVGA is releasing the BIOS update for their 1070s with Micron memory early next/this week.
Also EVGA is releasing the BIOS update for their 1070s with Micron memory early next/this week.
Interesting. ALl I know is I am highly impressed I can run that game at 4k during raid situations maxed out with 60fps or higher. I know it's not a graphically intense game, but everyone knows that raids often cripple systems (especially at max settings).
That being said, I need to run some tests with Witcher 3 and a few other games too. I see a lot of complaints here about the 1070 (such as it being a marginal upgrade over the 970... even though reviews are pegging it slightly above 980ti and comparable to the old titan (with less vram).
I'll need to examine further. Not sure if I won the silicon lottery for OCing yet or not, but I need to find a title that will require me to OC it. COnsidering I plan to play all games at 4k, it shouldn't be hard.
ss_lemonade
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I can kind of understand this if all you have is a 1080p monitor. I can only guess though as I do not have 1070, nor a 970. I do have a 780 and I am still able to play a lot of games comfortably at high settings and still hit 60fps and higher most of the time, and that gpu was a massive jump over what I previously had (6970). I feel like I wouldn't really feel much of a difference unless I started downsampling or ramping up settings that don't really make much of a visual impact to me
Download/Run GPU-Z. It will list Memory Type there.
PHOENIXZERO
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At this point it's almost certain to have Micron memory unless you lucked how and somehow managed to get a card from the initial production run but as said the BIOS updates are coming which should (hopefully) fix the issues.
Oh yeah, I installed GeForce Experience 3.0 a few days ago because of NVIDIA's bribing of randomly giving away people who use it a copy of Shadow Warrior 2... I'm probably uninstalling it, I had the old version for no reason on here for way too long and this version likes to keep GPU and memory clocks at the stock speeds after exiting games instead of down clocking like it should at idle.
Oh yeah, I installed GeForce Experience 3.0 a few days ago because of NVIDIA's bribing of randomly giving away people who use it a copy of Shadow Warrior 2... I'm probably uninstalling it, I had the old version for no reason on here for way too long and this version likes to keep GPU and memory clocks at the stock speeds after exiting games instead of down clocking like it should at idle.
It still performs like shit. Its the one game that struggles to keep a consistent 60FPS at 1080p which is ridiculous for this card. I've just turned some of the bigger settings down like view distance and shadows plus locked it to 60FPS on vsync.
ISee
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I went from an extremely high overclocked 980 (running at 1560mhz, that's around noOC 980Ti performance) to a 1070. I'm still playing around with overclocking (looking for that sweet spot) but so far the 1070 outperforms the 980X by at least 25% (varies from game to game).
For example:
1070 TimeSpy Bench (+29% graphics score)
980 TimeSpy Bench
I'll most probably drop the OC down to 2088mhz on the core. Maximum VRAM oc I can reach is around +925mhz but I settled for just +790mhz atm which is already extremely good (Samsung ddr5 on my card and not micron btw).
1070 not better than 970:
I bet it's the CPU holding them back.
I upgraded from a 3570k (4.4ghz) to a 6700k early 2016 and performance went up ~ 25% in some games.
So in the end my 3570k was holding back my 980 and it would for sure hold my 1070 back to a point where I wouldn't see a huge improvement at all (depending on the game of course).
For example:
GTAV on a 3570k (4.4ghz) + 980
GTA V on a 6700k (also 4.4ghz) + 980
=+25%
JC3 on a 3570k (4.4ghz) + 980
JC3 on a 6700k (also 4.4ghz) + 980
=+50%
Witcher3 on a 3570k (4.4ghz) + 980
Witcher3 on a 6700k (also 4.4ghz) + 980
=+21%
Discovering this was very eye opening to me, because at this time everybody was thinking (and some still do) that a nearly 6 year old 2500k is still a good enough companion for high end 500€+ GPUs. And that's really no longer the case for the majority of games.
ISee
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Yeah. In contrast to their i5 counterparts 2600ks (especially overclocked) hold up surprisingly wellv (HT is really doing some magic here). Also at least consider to get fast 16gb ddr3 ram (2133+mhz). Faster ram scales very good with Intel cpus in gaming scenarios.
SoulUnison
Banned
My 1070 seems to idle around 36-38c @ 30% fan speed... That seems a little high, right? Or is it acceptable and I'm just paranoid?
Makoto-Yuki
Banned
fans shouldn't be spinning at all under 60C. well, i assume that's true for all 1070 models. what is yours? my MSI 1070 gaming x usually idles at 30-35C with no fans spinning. here is a sample of mine
PHOENIXZERO
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Depends on whether it's a duo BIOS 1070 with the slave BIOS being used, the 1070 FTW's fans spin at 20% speed by default on those BIOS and mine idles around 28-30C. Also do cards with blowers have their fans turn off until temps reach a certain threshold?
Either way it's not a big deal but for that high fan speed at idle it either has to be a blower or poor air circulation. I know mine would probably be a little cooler if I had a bigger case but as it stands at idle it's in line with the temps of everything else.
Either way it's not a big deal but for that high fan speed at idle it either has to be a blower or poor air circulation. I know mine would probably be a little cooler if I had a bigger case but as it stands at idle it's in line with the temps of everything else.
ISee
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The 1785 is just an estimated Clock speed.
1949mhz at 71°C is okay. Temperature shouldn't go over 80°C.
That's how it works.
Also why does the FTW comes with a dual bios? I thought bios editing isn't doable on pascal anymore.