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Nvidia responds to GTX 970 memory issue
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Objectively Bad Opinion
Member
I think you really need to stop posting about this issue. You are very obviously emotionally invested in Nvidia more than is healthy, and it's leading to some very strange rationalizations of their behavior.
Pathfinder
Member
Comparable, sure. But the 970 does seem to edge out the 290x, if even a little.
http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-R9-290X-vs-GeForce-GTX-970
Though, if you're pissed off at Nvidia and want to move to AMD, that subtle difference might not matter to you much.
I have a soft spot for Nvidia because the card I put in my first PC that I ever built was an EVGA 7900GT (which died and EVGA replaced with a 7950GT...which also died and got replaced with a 9800GT), but this shit is inexcusable. The worst thing is Nvidia's apparent apathy regarding this gong show.
They've pretty much guaranteed I stick with AMD for my next video card(last card I bought was an AMD, have had absolutely no problems with it, and that includes drivers).
They've pretty much guaranteed I stick with AMD for my next video card(last card I bought was an AMD, have had absolutely no problems with it, and that includes drivers).
Naked Snake
Member
I agree.
AngryPuppy
Banned
Yeah I'm emotionally invested in calling out idiots for being idiots. You got me.
You're a real piece of work
Naked Snake
Member
You'll go far with that attitude here son.
opticalmace
Member
That is the worst source ever. It doesn't even include gaming benchmarks.
Here's a more fair comparison: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1355?vs=1056
Pathfinder
Member
Enhance your calm, John Spartan...
Naked Snake
Member
Sadly it's the first one Google spits out when you search for 970 vs 290x
Parhelion69
Member
Why isn't Angrypuppy banned yet?
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Anyway, I'm a (disappointed) owner of a 970, and while it's working great most of the time, I've noticed some random stutter when I use DSR at 4K on old games, I thought that shouldn't happen (being old games), but now I think I know the reason...
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Anyway, I'm a (disappointed) owner of a 970, and while it's working great most of the time, I've noticed some random stutter when I use DSR at 4K on old games, I thought that shouldn't happen (being old games), but now I think I know the reason...
Pathfinder
Member
You're right. That one is more comprehensive.
Objectively Bad Opinion
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Hatty
Member
Thanks forums user AngryPuppy for defending that plucky corporation from these big bad consumers! What? they bought these cards with an expectations put forth by the company and are outraged when the product does not meet these expectation? Haha what fools who did not do their research, they deserve to be ripped off
You keep coming back to these threads to say people who are actually discussing the issue have no life. You posted this earlier this week:
I mean, if you've got nothing else to add to the discussion (you've already made it quite clear you think this is a non-issue) why even come back to these threads? Apparently just to shit on people?
E: Justice has been served.
SliChillax
Member
banefirelord
Banned
Just filed a return with Amazon...considering my current setup I undoubtedly would have had no problems with the 970, but I don't want to support this shitty behavior. Anyway, until GTA V comes out and/or the Oculus Rift CV1 launches I have no real reason to have a new graphics card...maybe AMD will have something by then or NVIDIA will have gotten their shit together.
AngryPuppy
Banned
Are you kidding? People in this thread have been calling anyone who disagrees with "fuck Nvidia" corporate ball-washers, trolls, assholes, idiots, and more.
Hatty
Member
Because that seems to be the case? Its fine if they wanted to cheap out, thats fine. But they need to be upfront with it. Straight up lying to your consumers is the most anti consumer thing you can do, And if you support the lie with things like "Its still the best card for the money" even though it may be true makes it seem like you're missing the point entirely. The problem is not the the card doesn't perform well because it does, it just the blatant lying thats got people in a tizzy.
Flying Toaster
Member
Look I am a huge Nvidia fanboy, been since forever ago... but call it out when you see it. They for all intent and purpose mislead people.
I still am not going to to AMD though over it. AMD does not offer anything I am interested in. But seriously NVIDIA should be slapped around a bit.
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
I fell asleep
Pathfinder
Member
This is basically how I feel. I'm an Nvidia guy, even though they may piss me off every once in awhile and deserve their share of ridicule.
Relationships are never perfect.
Thank fook you've been banned you absolute cretin.
Edit:
Thank you for the ban.
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On topic:
I really, really think this 3.5VRam was the cause of my screen flickering, I've had it with two different 970s too
No more sleeping. Gonna have to cut that right out of your day, sorry.
Naked Snake
Member
What do you mean by screen flickering?
JohnnyHustler
Member
Well, crap. I was thinking of getting a 970 to upgrade from my 760. Guess I'll put those plans on hold, because I'm not crazy about the 290X's power consumption, and I've run into some of those driver quirks that others have mentioned with past Radeons. I do like AMD overall, but I've been a little soured with the CCC and drivers of late.
This sucks for me, as a 670 owner that recently bought an Asus ROG Swift monitor (GSync 1440p)
I was planning to pick up a 970 with the intention of getting another and end of life when its cheap for SLI. Guess that plans out the window, and AMD is not an option. What to do, what do to...
I was planning to pick up a 970 with the intention of getting another and end of life when its cheap for SLI. Guess that plans out the window, and AMD is not an option. What to do, what do to...
Omega drivers are crazy good
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
The 970 is still a good card. Given this recent news many people will be returning or selling theirs, so you might actually be able to get a good deal on a second hand lightly used one in the next few months.
Sarcastico
Member
Now people require 4GB to make sure their monitors function correctly?
That's practically even,but I just jumped out of my seat when I saw that temp on load in the 290x. 94°C fck no. Thanks for the heads up.
KillaKalz347
Banned
That's for the reference model, my Vapor-X doesn't go over 72c under full load.
Yeah I was going to ask a long time ago when I bought these pair of trash 970s why the hell do I get screen flickering when I play some games in full screen. Its damn annoying.
Yikes. One of the things that makes me happy with my current rig is I have to push it really hard for any components to break 60°C. Self-contained CPU water coolers are a godsend.
Flying Toaster
Member
I am not saying it isn't. But do you have actual concrete evidence of this? I would love to see your test data.
Yeah, my 290x hits 77-78C max, and thats only when I run Furmark for >20 minutes. Normal gaming temps are anywhere from 50-65C, depending on what I'm doing.
Should I even mention third party cooler variants?
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7601/sapphire-radeon-r9-290-review-our-first-custom-cooled-290/4
I will agree about power consumption though.
Flying Toaster
Member
Yeah, people need to be aware that third party is fixing a lot of the "heat" concerns people have.
Honestly research before writing AMD off (man I never thought I would actually say these words... I am going to hell)
The only evidence I have is having dual monitors and having this problem with two seprate 970s from different brands.
I used to run SLI GTX 580s and didn't have this problem, I could be wrong but it very much seems to be the card which makes my monitors turn off and on randomly.
This can also happen to my TV too, when I have it plugged into the card.
Feel free to tell me why I'm wrong, though this only happens when I'm watching videos and playing games.
Edit:
I use DisplayPort and HDMI cables.
Flying Toaster
Member
Please forgive me if you thought I was implying you were incorrect. I am just curious. It would take a lot of testing and all sorts of patience to get to the bottom of this mystery.
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
Monitor vram usage during flickering. Fullscreen videos in desktop environment should not be causing issues. Which games does flickering occur in? Does it use right up to the 3.5 or what?
dr_rus
Member
Carnival of stupid continues here.
Short answer would be - because that way the 970 would be slower.
The answer to this very question was given in NV's statement on the issue and detailed on pretty much every site which expanded on that statement.
Short answer would be - because that way the 970 would be slower.
Naked Snake
Member
I suspected it might be that, which is why I asked. It was happening to me too with my Gigabyte G1 970 but I figured out what was causing it. Apparently it only happens if my primary monitor is not listed as number "1" under Nvidia Control Panel, so swapping the cables on the output ports on the card fixed it. I don't know if it only affects Gigabyte cards or all 970s, but it seems to be a bug that is easy to fix and isn't documented anywhere bizarrely.
I don't know how much can you overclock the 290x, but I know that you can surpass the perfomance levels of a stock 980 fairly easy without going nuts on temp and power.
It could very much be unrelated to this, I just merrily and obviously, ignorantly assumed it! I've never tested a game using tools which let me see what is being used, but I will often play a game on one screen and watch a video on the other.
I'd love to stop it from happening but I'm returning the card as soon as Scan.co.uk announce when we can.
I'm not a troll, apologies if it came across like that!
To be clear, it's not flickering so to say the card actually looses signal and it turns my screens off and on.
Edit:
That's interesting, I'll try it out.
I assumed firstly that it could have been a issue with the refresh rate but I can't see how that would have made the screens turn off and on like they do, it's not something that happens all the time it just happens when it wants to!
And at the very least, my cluelessness has give someone a chuckle surely?
Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
I'm keeping mine. I'm not happy about not getting what I payed for, but the 970 is still the best choice for me as an upgrade, and I'm not going back to my 560Ti. And truthfully I've been pretty happy with my 970 so far, and I'll be gaming at 1080p for a long time so I'll be able to tweak graphics settings down to get performance if I need to.
BUT, my faith in Nvidia is gone. I won't ever buy early on hype from them again. My past four cards have been Nvidia's but from now on they get extreme scrutiny from me. Most likely I'll only ever buy cards that have been out for over a year and proven via in depth reviews and tests.
In short, they've pissed me off.
Sorry I haven't been following this issue 24/7, I guess I'm just too stupid.
If AMD is not an option, then you've got very few options. 970 is still a good card. My initial plan was to get one now(which I did), and maybe SLI it later on, but that was largely because of Nvidia's claims about having dual GPU VR rendering, which they've conveniently not said a damn thing about since! lol
My plan now is simply to enjoy my 970, which I'm still getting fantastic performance out of and for a great price, until maybe later this year or early next year and trade up. I'll take somewhat of a loss on the 970, but not a huge one(not like owners of 780Ti's and Titan's are facing if they want to trade up) while having a great card all of this year for games like Witcher 3 and GTA V.
So yea, it looks like you either buy a 980, or wait. Or pick up a 970. I went from a 670 to a 970 and I'm quite happy with it still. If you've got a 1440p/144hz display, I imagine its killing you not being able to utilize it fully.
I suppose one other alternative would be to take this year to clear your backlog and play lots of older games. A 670 can still do 1440p/45-60fps with a fair amount of last-gen games and older.