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NYT - Is Donald Trump a Racist? (Spoiler Alert: Yes)

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pigeon

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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/24/opinion/sunday/is-donald-trump-a-racist.html

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HAS the party of Lincoln just nominated a racist to be president? We shouldn’t toss around such accusations lightly, so I’ve looked back over more than 40 years of Donald Trump’s career to see what the record says....

A former building superintendent working for the Trumps explained that he was told to code any application by a black person with the letter C, for colored, apparently so the office would know to reject it. A Trump rental agent said the Trumps wanted to rent only to “Jews and executives,” and discouraged renting to blacks.

Donald Trump furiously fought the civil rights suit in the courts and the media, but the Trumps eventually settled on terms that were widely regarded as a victory for the government. Three years later, the government sued the Trumps again, for continuing to discriminate....

Another revealing moment came in 1989, when New York City was convulsed by the “Central Park jogger” case, a rape and beating of a young white woman. Five black and Latino teenagers were arrested.

Trump stepped in, denounced Mayor Ed Koch’s call for peace and bought full-page newspaper ads calling for the death penalty. The five teenagers spent years in prison before being exonerated. In retrospect, they suffered a modern version of a lynching, and Trump played a part in whipping up the crowds.

As Trump moved into casinos, discrimination followed. In the 1980s, according to a former Trump casino worker, Kip Brown, who was quoted by The New Yorker: “When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor. … They put us all in the back.”

In 1991, a book by John O’Donnell, who had been president of the Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City, quoted Trump as criticizing a black accountant and saying: “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.” O’Donnell wrote that for months afterward, Trump pressed him to fire the black accountant, until the man resigned of his own accord.

Trump eventually denied making those comments. But in 1997 in a Playboy interview, he conceded “the stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true.”...

My view is that “racist” can be a loaded word, a conversation stopper more than a clarifier, and that we should be careful not to use it simply as an epithet. Moreover, Muslims and Latinos can be of any race, so some of those statements technically reflect not so much racism as bigotry. It’s also true that with any single statement, it is possible that Trump misspoke or was misconstrued.

And yet.

Here we have a man who for more than four decades has been repeatedly associated with racial discrimination or bigoted comments about minorities, some of them made on television for all to see. While any one episode may be ambiguous, what emerges over more than four decades is a narrative arc, a consistent pattern — and I don’t see what else to call it but racism.

I almost don't want to make this thread because I don't really think this topic should be up for discussion, especially after the RNC. I cut the paragraphs of the story about all the racist stuff Trump has done IN THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS because hopefully you know about it.

But for anybody who's still holding out willingness to argue that Trump is just worried about immigration, or just trying to make America great again...here's your chance to prove the paper of record wrong.

Donald Trump is a racist and he has been a racist for his entire life. He was raised by racists and lived among racists and he's probably raised a good crop of racists by now.

If you are an American, it's your responsibility to stop him from becoming president.
 

Amir0x

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Yeah this stuff was posted in a fortune article months ago too. There's really no other way to put what Trump is.

A racist, misogynistic buffoon who needs to be stopped at any cost. This is an election unlike any other.
 

Xe4

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Without a doubt, Trump is the most racist candidate since George Wallace. Unlike Wallace, however, he is the nominee of a major party. Scary stuff.
And so are all his supporters
Also this. When they give Trump money, they are supporting a vile, racist, misogynistic man, so what does that say of them. Many props to the Bushes, Romney and McCain for standing up to this bully, and not folding like the rest of the cowards of the party.
 
Yeah this stuff was posted in a fortune article months ago too. There's really no other way to put what Trump is.

A racist, misogynistic buffoon who needs to be stopped at any cost. This is an election unlike any other.

They always say "this election is the most important of our lifetime" but this one.. the hype is prop more real than one would thought at first.
 

Fat4all

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Amir0x

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They always say "this election is the most important of our lifetime" but this one.. the hype is prop more real than one would thought at first.

yeah they do. I was already thinking this election was legitimately going to be one of the more important ones, seeing as how the next President is likely going to be nominating multiple Supreme Court Justices... but with Trump as nominee, I think it's pretty irrefutable how high the stakes are.

This is now basically a war over what it means to be American, and if Trump wins... I genuinely don't want to know how bad it is going to get.
 
Without a doubt, Trump is the most racist candidate since George Wallace. Unlike Wallace, however, he is the nominee of a major party. Scary stuff.

Also this. When they give Trump money, they are supporting a vile, racist, misogynistic man, so what does that say of them. Many props to the Bushes, Romney and McCain for standing up to this bully, and not folding like the rest of the cowards of the party.

You mean Meghan McCain right?
 

Nipo

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They willingly support somebody who's very blatantly a racist.

Some. I'm sure there is a handful that don't have the mental capacity to realize he is a racist and just vote for him because their racist neighbors/relatives do it. If someone lacks the intelligence to realize what trump is are they still racist?

Remember. he said all trump supporters. If just one person isn't than the statement is false.
 
Some. I'm sure there is a handful that don't have the mental capacity to realize he is a racist and just vote for him because their racist neighbors/relatives do it. If someone lacks the intelligence to realize what trump is are they still racist?

Remember. he said all trump supporters. If just one person isn't than the statement is false.

Enjoy your death on this hill of pedantry
 

BokehKing

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They willingly support somebody who's very blatantly a racist.
Their other choice is not voting for their party, or voting Hillary and they are not going to vote Hillary.

You can call them all racists if you want but that's just something be said online. No one is telling these people off line "every single one of you're racist by extension" because it won't fly.
 

Nipo

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Enjoy your death on this hill of pedantry

I'm actually thinking of a specific person in this case. He is highly autistic and requires full time care but loves everyone. Still he votes straight republican ticket because of a racist family member.
 

Crossing Eden

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Some. I'm sure there is a handful that don't have the mental capacity to realize he is a racist and just vote for him because their racist neighbors/relatives do it. If someone lacks the intelligence to realize what trump is are they still racist?

Remember. he said all trump supporters. If just one person isn't than the statement is false.
This is some next level semantics and hypotheticals. The vast majority of people who support Trump are certainly smart enough to realize how racist he is. And they willingly support someone like that.

Their other choice is not voting for their party, or voting Hillary and they are not going to vote Hillary.

You can call them all racists if you want but that's just something be said online. No one is telling these people off line "every single one of you're racist by extension" because it won't fly.
If they care so much about not being perceived as racists then not openly, (or silently), supporting a racist would be an incredibly bright idea.
 

Slayven

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Their other choice is not voting for their party, or voting Hillary and they are not going to vote Hillary.

You can call them all racists if you want but that's just something be said online. No one is telling these people off line "every single one of you're racist by extension" because it won't fly.

Alot of Republicans are opting out. Colin Powell, COndelezza Rice, Mitt Romney


What are the racists excuse??
 

BokehKing

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This is some next level semantics and hypotheticals. People who support Trump are certainly smart enough to realize how racist he is. And they willingly support someone like that.


If they care so much about not being perceived as racists then not openly supporting a racist would be an incredibly fruitful idea.
I don't think they care what the other side says about them, just like you don't care what they say about you.

Now if a fellow Republican were to address them with that logic, that's different.
 
Some. I'm sure there is a handful that don't have the mental capacity to realize he is a racist and just vote for him because their racist neighbors/relatives do it. If someone lacks the intelligence to realize what trump is are they still racist?

Remember. he said all trump supporters. If just one person isn't than the statement is false.
If you willingly vote for a racist to the highest position in the country, you're being racist and perpetuating racism. I don't know how this isn't clear to you.
 
They willingly support somebody who's very blatantly a racist.

That doesn't necessarily make them racist, though. They could just hold their nose on that account thinking his other qualities are still better than his opponent's, just like a pacifist could vote for Obama knowing full well he isn't one.
 
Their other choice is not voting for their party, or voting Hillary and they are not going to vote Hillary.

You can call them all racists if you want but that's just something be said online. No one is telling these people off line "every single one of you're racist by extension" because it won't fly.

Yes you are correct the options are vote for the racist fascist or don't vote for the racist fascist.
 

Amir0x

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I'm actually thinking of a specific person in this case. He is highly autistic and requires full time care but loves everyone. Still he votes straight republican ticket because of a racist family member.

I mean what do you want us to add an asterisk stating that all Trump supporters are racist, xenophobic or bigoted or misogynistic excepting if they're mentally challenged or autistic? What semantical hill is this to die on?
 

kirblar

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The whole "he's not really racist, he's just pretending" thing is some sort of mass rationalization- I just can't figure out what people are trying to rationalize and why.
 

DedValve

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Some. I'm sure there is a handful that don't have the mental capacity to realize he is a racist and just vote for him because their racist neighbors/relatives do it. If someone lacks the intelligence to realize what trump is are they still racist?

Remember. he said all trump supporters. If just one person isn't than the statement is false.

That depends. If you support a racist idiot for his ideals then you are a racist idiot.

If you support a racist idiot and know nothing about it then not only are you racist but also an idiot.

Both outcomes are exactly the same, the minorities suffer because those more privileged than us either are willfully ignorant of our pain or actively try to cause it.
 

BokehKing

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Alot of Republicans are opting out. Colin Powell, COndelezza Rice, Mitt Romney


What are the racists excuse??
So the establishment type? My parents are Republican, hate Romney, voted for him anyway because they did not want a second Obama term. Believe it or not it's a choice we are allowed to make, name calling won't make a difference. I never heard my dad once make racist remarks about his employees and he has a wide variety of ethnicities that work for him. I must not be listening close enough.
 

Slayven

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The whole "he's not really racist, he's just pretending" thing is some sort of mass rationalization- I just can't figure out what people are trying to rationalize and why.

Yeah, him pretending to me would actually be worse. There is no good side of that
So the establishment type? My parents are Republican, hate Romney, voted for him anyway because they did not want a second Obama term. Believe it or not it's a choice we are allowed to make, name calling won't make a difference. I never heard my dad once make racist remarks about his employees and he has a wide variety of ethnicities that work for him. I must not be listening close enough.

Donald trump is a New York multimillionaire that inherited his money, how is that not establishment? It's not name calling Trump's only platform is overt racism, if you support that. Shock and awe you are a racist. And that is a choice you make willingly
 
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