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Obama announces support for same-sex marriage
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'Mericuh
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Oh man.
ConfusingJazz
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A) Fires up the youth vote which was sorely lacking in 2010 and disillusioned by governing.
B) LGBT money is going to flood in.
C) I can see half the Romney campaign saying something over the line and having to publicly apologize.
Oh, and most importantly
Souldriver
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Well, I hope not. I want to say this is a really bad move. But the Obama campaign is very smart and on the ball, so perhaps they feel/think/know this won't be an issue, or even work in his advantage. Or yeah, perhaps Obama just showed some courage regardless of the political gains/costs.
The very vocal anti-gay crowd is the crowd that Obama wouldn't get votes from anyway. I just fear that there's this small segment of the voting populace (maybe 1 or 2 percent) for which this might be a tipping point. I don't want to stereotype, but I think of religious black people. I know a portion of those will be conflicted by all of this. They are liberal and support Obama overall, but there's no denying a good portion of them don't approve of gay marriage due to religious beliefs. They sure as hell won't go vote for Romney because of this, but it might make some of them just stay at home instead of voting. Let's hope not.
Phoenician_Viking
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This is an amazing news. I just wish that Obama did not use that as campaign strategy to get votes.
You are unfucking believable. But keep up with your bullshit.
BruiserBear
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Regardless of whether or not you are happy the President is backing same sex marriage (and I am), there is no point in denying this is political move. His position on this was always political. I don't believe for a second he was "uncertain" about this 4 years ago. He just couldn't afford to say what he really thought.
This is not going to cost him the election. He's going to win easily this fall regardless of his position on this issue, which is exactly why he's coming out now and saying this. If his people actually thought this was going to greatly harm his chances, they would never have allowed him to do this.
This is not going to cost him the election. He's going to win easily this fall regardless of his position on this issue, which is exactly why he's coming out now and saying this. If his people actually thought this was going to greatly harm his chances, they would never have allowed him to do this.
Father_Brain
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Which has everything to do with the marriage initiatives that actually will be on the ballot in a few states, but not necessarily much to do with races for elected office.
I think you are just pissed that a Democrat sitting president has come in support for gay marriage because it has completely nullified tje bullshit you have said about him in the past.
Stay strong in your convictions.
Didn't he support a candidate that implemented anti gay marriage policy (DOMA or something)?
Edit:Bob Barr, I remember the name.
He votes for Bob Barr and is a Ron Paul supporter. Yes.
Ghost_Protocol
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Am I the only one who thinks Romney is going to lose in a landslide in the fall?
Dude.
DUDE!
The fact that he can use this as a strategy to GET VOTES is fucking AMAZING.
America fuck ya?
Patriotsbball5460
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Contrary to what most people on here are posting within the last few pages, this could hurt him more than help him. Not only were the Republicans using the Obama Care bill as a rallying call to rile up the conservative base, now they can point to this "war on marriage" as a point to raise enthusiasm. Additionally, while Obama has had a firm hold on the African-American and Latino votes, the subject of gay marriage is not a popular one within those communities who still have a great deal of faith-based morals. This could be a mistake for him with large latino populations in Arizona, and Florida. It could also hurt him in North Carolina who just voted 61% in favor of the furthering it's ban, and in Ohio, a midwest state with a large religious base. Also, don't forget that the North Carolina amendment that was passed yesterday grew from African-American churches opposed to the topic.
GTP_Daverytimes
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If you are thinking that this will help him in anyway then you are very mistaken my friend, people who oppose Gay marriage still handsomely outnumber those who support gay marriage. In-effect this can be considerd seppuku, its certainly not going to help him which makes it all the more brave of him to anounce it now.
Nope. In the best case scenario, Romney's in a catch-22; he goes after the independents, he loses the base. He goes hard-line to appease the base, he flops hard with independents. Having said that, can't see this rabid base being more afraid of romney than they are obama, regardless of how moderate romney goes.
Souldriver
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SolsticeZero
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But.... but.... but.... Mericuh!
The convenient thing would be to wait until after the election, which is what I thought he was going to do.
Especially when the same people getting upset probably wank to lesbian porn.
cartoon_soldier
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The election will be really close
*Cough*
The danger is that some of the people against it are REALLY against it. Even a minority, when that motivated, can make a large impact.
This is exactly it. After the North Carolina disaster and how it dominated headlines is a perfect time to do it. It's calculated to focus the spotlight on him and his noble position in the presidential race.
The position is pretty obviously the right one, but the timing is stunningly transparent. I hate politicians.
rofl
BruiserBear
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I think so.
Of course the people involved in the election will always tell you it will be close, because they don't want people to not turn out and vote, but even the political experts have long known Obama is nearly a shoe in for re-election.
Unless something really awful happens for him in the next 5 months.
ConfusingJazz
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That, my friends, is Irony.
I want to start FoxNationNation.com, and comment on their flip flopping
The Librarian
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If you're arguing the "it's a political move" angle, then you should be saying Joe Biden's comments last Sunday had more to do with it than NC's amendment vote. If you're arguing it's political by pointing to the results in NC that doesn't make any sense because if you look at the results, then it would be easier to win NC with his "evolving" line.
Just reposting here so everybody knows that this happened:
Then:
Now:
Un. fucking. believable. It was up for ~15 minutes.
"If you hide your ignorance, no one will hit you and you'll never learn."
FOX NATION FLIP FLOPS ON HEADLINE
Unfortunately, the state of American politics is that you have to "play the game". You will NEVER AGAIN see an American president that hasn't made completely politically calculated moves every step of the way.
Your only goal is to figure out who is the lesser of the available evils.
Let's hope he spends a fortune of his own money on his campaign before he loses. Oh, that will be so sweet.
ConfusingJazz
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I don't know about that.
Oh, nm.
That's a bit simplistic.
The percentage of open bar weddings will also increase.
orientalNoodle
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Why is marriage such an important topic in politics? There are many other important things that need to look at.
Thank God. I was pissed that even his vice president seemed more presidential on the subject than he was. I kind of wonder if that forced his hand - and if so, thank you Joe Biden.
Finally a U.S. President says same-sex marriage is OK, and the real fight begins for the next generation. The world is only going to get more progressive, gays will have their rights given to them one time or another. The time to push is now.
Finally a U.S. President says same-sex marriage is OK, and the real fight begins for the next generation. The world is only going to get more progressive, gays will have their rights given to them one time or another. The time to push is now.
Al-ibn Kermit
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Which is steadily improving.
Repubs know that focusing on social issues will crush them and they were just waiting and praying that the economy takes a dip right before the election, so that they could have something to argue about.
That makes now the best time to take advantage of the marriage equality issue because it forces conservatives to keep shouting about how old fashioned they are. Soon we will probably see something about amnesty for undocumented immigrants and the conservatives will keep beating their drums for 6 months about opinions that make them unpopular (at least in swing states).
Come November, there will either be a struggling economy that conservatives never gave any attention to. Or there will be a booming economy that conservatives could not make any criticisms of.
Obama doesn't want to just get into the white house, he wants to get congress behind him too. Which means he has to totally destroy Romney and the entire republican party. This is shock & warfare, for politics.
All dat disposable income.
So when I was posting here actively a few years back, there was this gay libertarian called Gaborn who was always attacking Obama on GLBT issues. His signature argument was that half-measures like civil unions were actually detrimental to the cause, because they'd give the illusion of progress while institutionalizing inequality.
A lot of posters at the time figured he was being disingenuous in an attempt to avoid giving any credit to Democratic politicians, because he disagreed with their economics policies. I chose to give him the benefit of the doubt; even if I didn't agree, I figure gay folks are entitled to get mad at foot-dragging.
Now that Obama's announced his support for completely equal marriage, I'd expect Gaborn to be full of praise, since this is what he said he wanted, over and over. Of course, if those other posters were right and he was just playing the fanboy role, he'd find a way to complain about this too.
So how about it? Does he still post here? What's going on with that guy?
A lot of posters at the time figured he was being disingenuous in an attempt to avoid giving any credit to Democratic politicians, because he disagreed with their economics policies. I chose to give him the benefit of the doubt; even if I didn't agree, I figure gay folks are entitled to get mad at foot-dragging.
Now that Obama's announced his support for completely equal marriage, I'd expect Gaborn to be full of praise, since this is what he said he wanted, over and over. Of course, if those other posters were right and he was just playing the fanboy role, he'd find a way to complain about this too.
So how about it? Does he still post here? What's going on with that guy?
They must've agreed.
ConfusingJazz
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Probably won't find out till after the election.
I think they were clearly discussing it behind the scenes, but I don't know what machinations Biden was going on. Was he just thinking about it, did he tip the journalist to ask the question, or was this just a lead up to this announcement?
Open bar weddings are extremely important to me. You ever been to a wedding sober? The chicken dance is not fun sober, it is sad, embarrassing, and depressing.
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