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Obama announces support for same-sex marriage
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Snowman Prophet of Doom
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At this point, if I had to guess, I'd say that Obama is realizing that many of his supporters from 2008 may not be enthused enough to turn out and vote, so I wouldn't be surprised if he took a few semi-bold stands like this in the next few months in order to energize the progressive base leading up to the election.
Edit: Technomancer, I'd guess that it's a somewhat strangely directed argument that if you don't support human rights enough to protect the life of a fetus, it's contradictory to then turn around and support the rights of gay people (though I might not be surprised to learn that that person uses a less kind word than "gay" in some contexts). That's about the only connection that I can make, at least.
Edit: Technomancer, I'd guess that it's a somewhat strangely directed argument that if you don't support human rights enough to protect the life of a fetus, it's contradictory to then turn around and support the rights of gay people (though I might not be surprised to learn that that person uses a less kind word than "gay" in some contexts). That's about the only connection that I can make, at least.
But how can he kill babies if he turns everyone gay and there are no babies?!
i thought it was a shop. but fox has found a new low lol.
Obama was for it in a candidate questionnaire in the 90's, then "evolved" his view into a more politically pragmatic view when he ran for president. It's more likely that he supported it, but was advised not to.
theinfinityissue
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oh man, and this news is coming out on a church night. I expect I could catch quite a show if I chose to walk over to any of the FOUR fucking churches within the quarter mile of my house. Yeah, just pop up some popcorn, saunter on in. I wouldn't want to slip on the froth coating the floors though.
I want to believe Fox Nation is actually a secret Onion outfit because I see no reason for the later to exist anymore.
speculawyer
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Everyone gets to troll you forever now. You backed the wrong people and then whine when the people you criticize actually tackle the jobs.
ConfusingJazz
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So happy about this.
Also, you know they are just waiting to use judo on the right. They saw what happened with women's issues earlier in the year, they went waaaay too far.
I can see half the Romney campaign is going to have to make a public apology after commenting on this and then giving their opinions.
Also, you know they are just waiting to use judo on the right. They saw what happened with women's issues earlier in the year, they went waaaay too far.
I can see half the Romney campaign is going to have to make a public apology after commenting on this and then giving their opinions.
The Elite
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This is exactly what is going on.
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
So question...if this costs him the election would the LBT community think it was worth it? Cause man I imagine the GOP would do a lot of harm to gay rights :/
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Fuck it, it was about time he stuck his neck out for this. Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do
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Fuck it, it was about time he stuck his neck out for this. Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do
While this isn't an unreasonable line of thought, I'm not sure this takes into account just how ugly the "values" campaigning could get.
This doesn't really play with the DADT stuff.
LOL indeed.
Just blatant lying and hypocrisy.
Who cares? This is a place where the "why" doesn't matter.
It's like the long winded debate about the civil war: "It was about state's rights", "No, it was about freeing the slaves", "No it wasn't", etc. In the end, it doesn't matter why it happened, but in the end it was the first step towards African Americans being free and equal.
Just having a president say this is a good first step.
They are going to be worse than last time, and that's precisely one of the reasons Obama "came out". Another one is to corner Romney on the issue.
The Technomancer
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Its a combination of factors. I'd say the biggest one is the comments Biden made last week that have placed the administration in a bit of an awkward position. On top of that it can both energize certain segments of the young liberal base as well as potentially setting the hard-right crowd up to make a truly brutal foot-in-mouth comment.
When the Republicans take back the federal and state governments and pull what NC did yesterday, I hope you still feel the same way.
Spot on.
His support could have made the difference in many states.
Fucking hell...
Now this just makes me angry.
Salvor.Hardin
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This has to be one of the most ridiculous (serious) comments I've read on gaf yet.
Vire
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Historic day. Our nation's 1st black president becomes the first sitting pres. to support same-sex marriage. I don't think this'll hurt him electorally. Those opposed to same-sex marriage were probably not going to vote for him anyway.
With Obama's blessing checked off the list, it is now time to find me a husband.
With Obama's blessing checked off the list, it is now time to find me a husband.
The Faceless Master
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this would make sense if it was December 2012...
jediyoshi
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reggieandTFE
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Im glad this finally came, but I'm not sure why he would time this for now. As a economic leftist, I wish he had the courage to tell people to organize their workplaces and join unions as well. Of course, the stock market and the CEOs he hangs around wouldn't like that.
Wow. Just checked out the FoxNews.com article on this. There is a special kind vile being shown there in the comments.
Glad the president finally voiced his support. It was clear before with everything he and his administration has done over the last few years. I was okay with him not saying the words until after the election but glad he did. He's not hiding and he's taking a stand. The contrast with Romney is getting clearer and clearer. This was an interesting play. I don't think what started with Biden was a mistake.
Glad the president finally voiced his support. It was clear before with everything he and his administration has done over the last few years. I was okay with him not saying the words until after the election but glad he did. He's not hiding and he's taking a stand. The contrast with Romney is getting clearer and clearer. This was an interesting play. I don't think what started with Biden was a mistake.
TheKaeptain
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I'm trying to remember which thread it was that Gaborn said "Obama will never back gay marriage." I think it had something to do with DADT.
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
Can't wait for Daily Show/Colbert.
Zoramon089
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*rolls eyes*
Dude Abides
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Doubtful.
Ghost_Protocol
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I only tune into O'reilly when stuff like this goes down.
Escape Goat
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They talked about this briefly on NPR today. Obama is going to microtarget all the issues when hes campaigning. So places like Virginia and NC he'll likely focus on economy and not gay rights. Young people (18-39) are a lot less enthusiastic about Obama and were the most favorable towards equal rights. So hes got to win them back without losing the black vote who are considerably more likely to be anti equality.
Henchmen21
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No it won't because the Republican base is too stupid. They'll believe everything the attack ads say just as they believe everything Fox News says. They could say that the sky is green and farting causes you to float off into space and they would believe it. Let's not forget that this is a base that believes that Obama is a secret Muslim, Socialist, Kenyan who will install death panels once Healthcare is enacted.
ShadowRunner
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I dont think marriage should be recognised by the legal system at all theres no need for it.
cartoon_soldier
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Romney opposes even Civil Unions if they are identical to Marriage
http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns...l-unions-if-identical-to-marriage-122945.html
http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns...l-unions-if-identical-to-marriage-122945.html
Was trying to think of any examples where that could potentially be true. Certainly not NC.
Claude
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They are not paying much attention, they are more interested in the Edwards trial. However, they did mention how Obama "was framing this as a discrimination issue", and that "he galvanized his base." They also say this is a big win for Romney, because it keeps Republicans on the fence from not voting for him.
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
You've got it backwards. It's obvious he supports it, and has since he was a state senator, but he cowardly backed away from his support while running for president.
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