Blackpanther25
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Hahaha. Perfect.
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Obama suggests Clinton didn't work as hard as he did
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Hahaha. Perfect.
ultratruman
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Clinton's campaign has responsibility for her loss, too. Despite knowing her weaknesses, they were still playing for a blowout instead of desperately solidifying the blue wall. Hillary could've scraped a win if her campaign wasn't so shambolic.
www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news...g-decisions-that-helped-doom-hillary-clinton/
www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news...g-decisions-that-helped-doom-hillary-clinton/
blastprocessor
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Amory
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It's not really as surprising as it seemed at first.
Trump people were confirmed Trump people from the day he said he was going to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it. If you didn't stop supporting him then, there wasn't anything he was going to say or do that could shake you.
And I think Trump recognized that. He may be a lot of things, but he's not an idiot. He knew once he had done enough outlandish shit, and still had a lot of support, that he could keep pushing the envelope and appeal to new and even more extreme groups without losing the support he already had.
Hillary recognized this as well. She could get away with calling Trump people a basket of deplorables, because no Trump voter was going to change their mind and go with her anyway. She just needed to do a better job of motivating democrats to go to the polls and vote for her.
More people voted for Romney in 2012 than Trump in 2016. He was clearly beatable. Too many people stayed home.
Rentahamster
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Only to those who didn't recognize the keikaku.
Calling potential voters a basket of deplorables wasn't very smart though even if they are deplorable shitheads. Her campaign lacked the enthusiasm Trump's had so it really doesn't make sense to rile them up by calling them a bunch of deplorable shitheads when I think part of her strategy was getting moderate republicans to vote for her instead of Trump.
Because she can raise the most money.
old manatee
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She did fundraisers instead of campaigning.
She went to all kinds of red and blue states that were never going to flip.
She campaigned in big cities so that she could easily fly home at night and sleep in her own bed.
She went to all kinds of red and blue states that were never going to flip.
She campaigned in big cities so that she could easily fly home at night and sleep in her own bed.
But wait, there's more.
Can't wait for a tell-all. Has to be a lot of bad decisions for things to go so poorly.
SolidSnakex
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Nebraska? Obama performed better than Clinton did there and he still got blown out. Why would you even waste any money there?
Aaron Strife
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Good news: The fact that Clinton barely lost WI/MI/PA (possibly even won MI once all the votes are in?) suggests a scrappier candidate can flip this result next time.
Bad news: This was completely avoidable and now we're stuck with 4 years of Trump.
I'm not even going to argue Bernie would have won this (I think he would have had his own weaknesses as a candidate in a GE) but I think he would have taken it much more seriously.
Maine does this too, Trump won the 2nd district there, extra EV for him.
Bad news: This was completely avoidable and now we're stuck with 4 years of Trump.
I'm not even going to argue Bernie would have won this (I think he would have had his own weaknesses as a candidate in a GE) but I think he would have taken it much more seriously.
Nebraska splits up its electoral votes by congressional district. Obama won the 2nd in 2008 which gave him an extra EV. In fact Trump only won it by about 3 points this year.
Maine does this too, Trump won the 2nd district there, extra EV for him.
Audioboxer
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I wonder if some on GAF are now going to call Obama names?
In reality the best president continues to speak the truth.
In reality the best president continues to speak the truth.
They wanted to embarrass the Republicans by flipping the unflippable
old manatee
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ultratruman
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That's right, instead of taking Trump's threat in the Midwest seriously, Clinton's campaign spent ridiculous money chasing 1 EV in Nebraska (that they didn't win anyway).
Edit: As an aside, just before the election, journalists were saying they couldn't find anyone with a bad word to say about Hillary's campaign manager, Robby Mook. I haven't heard anyone talk about him since, and he hasn't tweeted since November 8.
http://www.vice.com/read/meet-robby-mook-hillary-clintons-secret-weapon-220
TheLaughingStock
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Yep. What is going on ITT? Clinton is bad but this is a extreme reach.
Rentahamster
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I saw a lot of posts these past few days about why Hillary would need to meet people in person and why can't some people be as smart as they are with the privilege of having speedy telecommunications access so they can see all the issues which are so obviously simple that even an idiot could understand.
Graphics Horse
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They were fundraisers! They needed money to get those video clips of Trump out there when nobody else was doing it.
the-pi-guy
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Hillary had an uphill battle with how much she's disliked. It was absolutely critical that she went out and campaigned.
It wasn't so much the racists that she needed the votes from. It was the democrats who were convinced she was everything wrong with government. They needed to go out and vote.
It wasn't so much the racists that she needed the votes from. It was the democrats who were convinced she was everything wrong with government. They needed to go out and vote.
Melkezadek
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It's amazing how people want to take this and use it as a "See Obama said it, so it must be true!"
What about all the political experts who said that in a choice between Trump and Clinton that it was a no brainer? What about people like Noam Chomsky he said that abstaining from voting/voting third party in this election is the same as voting for Trump? Is this his "first election"?
When are people going to stop trying to place blame on her when the choice was so obvious. The threat of a Trump presidency was obvious to everyone but white, rural America.
"Liberals" created an environment that disenfranchised voters who might have come out of they didn't keep hearing "Oh she's not great. She's horrible too, but the lesser of evils". No one wanted to talk about the clear policy difference between the two candidates. She outlined her proposals all the time. Anyone who was actually paying attention knows where she stood on many issues. Anyone who was actually paying attention KNOWS where Trump stood. Climate Change is a hoax.
Everyday it becomes more and more apparent that so called "progressives" refuse to accept any personal responsibility for the atmosphere of distrust and cynasim they created. Even now, because of their own bias, they choose this time to dig into Hillary, saying how awful she was. They are more concerned with being spiteful, they ignore the fact that minorities, POC, women, and the LBGTQ+ community will be the ones suffering. These are our "allies".
NoblesseOblige
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I cannot say whether she and her campaign worked as hard as his did. I think I can confidently say that her campaign didn't work as smart as his though.
outunderthestars
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The cupboard is bare in terms of young Democrats ready for a presidential run. The party has done a terrible job in attracting candidates and giving them opportunities to gain exposure.
Clinton's have always focused more on raising money on campaigns. Bill was money first as well.
They were saying the same thing in 1992.
This time a lot of candidates were convinced to not run against Hillary so they stayed out of it.
Is it? I can only imagine Obama foaming within. He brawled himself through eight years of harsh resistance. There are things he didn't get done at all and some things he had to compromise a lot on, but in the end he had a few meaningful changes he could be proud about. And now Hillary Clinton, who got all the backing she could ask for form the democratic side flushed it all down the gutter, forcing him to give the White House to a mad man all while keeping up a nice façade so the country wouldn't break down immediately. How would you feel about this?
Dems had a bench of govs from strategic states they could tap though. Which is exactly where clinton came from. What do they have now? Potentially that dude who won North Carolina? If they bomb the midterms, which is usual for the dems, getting any senator that isn't from a deep blue state (a list that's getting shorter and shorter every cycle) to run is going to be hard to stomach.
Dems have a slim bench to pick from in 2020 baring crazy midterm outcomes in 2018 I don't see them having any easy choices in 2020.
outunderthestars
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DragonSworne
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Jesus Christ. How come no one pointed this out during the election? It looks so obvious how much of a disaster Hillary's tour was. It looks like she was running for office in New York rather than for the POTUS.
People pointed it out! Obama, Bernie and even Bill Clinton raised their voice (arguably not loud enough) and told the campaign. But it stuck with it's plan to ignore rural areas and go urban only. They deliberately calculated losing votes as they expected to gain more than that in the cities. Plus fundraisers are more effective in New York, aye.
The Clinton people must have believed they had it in the bag just like the polls. Hillary was running for top fund raiser.
ultratruman
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Based Saint Barack, completely free from blame as usual.
Except the fact that he pressured Biden into not running in the primary, and said that and 'Clinton, for all her flaws, was “the only one” fit to succeed him.'
Melkezadek
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valkillmore
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Barry 'We deal only in facts' Bams
Tell it like it is.
Tell it like it is.
entremet
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His criticism here are about her campaign not if she was best fit.
These are totally different criticisms.
Does that invalid his statement? She slacked off where he didn't and he obviously didn't make the right judgement by denying Biden, as he could've known her hubris from 2008. But the fact that she didn't work for the Rust Belt votes and just assumed she would get them, even after Bernie showed the world that she had a popularity deficit among her own people there.
America outside New York is kinda icky, don't you know?
Aizen.S.Kennedy
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I can only speak for myself and my immediate surroundings but umm black ppl knew. Racism is real. It's been accceptable. Never stopped
Audioboxer
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With what Obama was addressing he isn't wrong. Here's some more proof
But of course continue to deflect if you want.
Goro Majima
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The point would have gone ignored. Many here (myself included) would have supported this on the basis that the presidential election is over and she's fund raising for downticket races.
Melkezadek
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Again, I don't see what Hillary could have said/done for those people who didn't believe a word she said. And again, no one needed to campaign and show up at my door for me to go out and vote. I was using my brain and saw the choices.
You're giving the voters a pass for not using their better critical thinking skills. This shows a deeper problem then when and where she campaigned. The choice was obvious. No amount of campaigning will cure someone's ability to reason.
But keep trying to absolve these people and continue trying to place blame. Accept no responsibly watch us suffer.
ultratruman
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It's the substance that bothers me. Obama pressured Joe Biden into not running, despite knowing full well that Hillary was an extraordinarily unpopular and flawed candidate, however good a 'fit' she might be for his legacy. Biden would've walked Trump.
Obama has blame to share in this catastrophe too, but like always you will never see him admit any fault. Much easier to criticise the 68 year old woman for not having the energy of a 47 year old man.
DragonSworne
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It's pretty clear why Hillary lost now. Her campaign was trash. How did we not focus on her shit schedule?
It's great that your so enlightened, but most people are not or badly informed. You can go on all day about how it's supposed to be, but it's not. And Hillary should've known that.
There are a mass of people who flipped or stayed home because they didn't feel like Hillary wasn't talking to them. Partly because she literally didn't talk to some of them.
Some did, but PoliGAF drowned them out. Michael Moore knew exactly what was going on in the Rust Belt and he was well informed, not a magic prophet. This could've been seen by the campaign. Or people could've read his words if PoliGAF and other Clinton Supporters didn't went on to ridicule them.
Audioboxer
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Being idealist about intelligence and critical thinking because you're smart doesn't win an election. America is a mixed bag of IQ, critical thinking faculties and group-think. To believe otherwise is to lose an election because "why bother man with the dumb folk...".
Do you think Obama would have done just as good as he did if he didn't bother campaigning like he did? That's the question you should be asking. There's many reasons 10m Dems have been bled since 2008, and even 6m since Obama 2nd term in 2012. Not showing your face or putting in the effort to go to some of these areas is certainly a reason some didn't bother voting. Hillary was too arrogant she'd make up the votes elsewhere, and then the swing states and some of the rural areas are the places that sunk her.
wouldn't it, you know, help with down ticket races in the rust belt if she had went and held rallies there?
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