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[Riskbreaker23]

i love how this one sermon is the only this pastor has ever preached before. i guess he said the same thing week after week, year after year.

 

[avatar299]

WTF?

I don't have a wikipedia link. Google it.

Wtf, are you dense? He is saying that if Americans fall for this Wright/guilt-by-association bullshit then they deserve what they get. I know you need to fill your hourly "omg obama ain't no messiah" quota, but at least choose a post that is even partially applicable to your transparent agenda.

:lol fucking pathetic

 

[Amir0x]

--last page--

ALSO, for the record, I don't think Hillary Clinton would dare bring this Weather Underground business up.

Because Bill Clinton pardoned major Weather Underground members Susan Rosenberg and Linda Sue Evans shortly before leaving office in 2001.

Which is WAY FUCKING WORSE than accepting a 200 dollar donation from Ayers a few years ago.

I know this a tired argument, but I have to ask. What is so special about whatever Barack is going to do that will undoubtedly save this country from it's evil future. Something Hillary and mcCain won't do.

Especially Hillary. It's not like they are different on any issue.

First of all, Obama and Hillary do disagree on specific policy DETAIL... of those, I tend to side with Obama.

Second of all as has been stated over and over again, voting Obama is not merely voting for his policies, but his political approach. Will he live up to his post-partisan, 'across-the-aisle' rhetoric? Who the fuck knows! But it's a lot more appealing of a shot than the politics-as-usual, Republican playbook bullshit Hillary has been playing at, and not much needs to be elaborated on the differences between McCain and Obama.

When did i disagree with you. I'm still voting Obama.

So you're just responding to me for fun, and you're not choosing specific aspects of my comments to criticize and disagree with? Seems an odd thing to do but hey, your free time.

Ami, you know that is full of shit. Obama is going to win. The only people who are think he is going to lose are

1) people who like being victims
2) foam at the mouth Obama supporters(Harson, Lefty, Zeed, Half of the OT). The very thought of obama losing sets them in a rage greater than a mother saving her baby
*3) Newscasters

*(The know Obama will win as well, but group 1 and 2 will watch their channel if they report the news in a way that will force engagement. For people who hate Fox News, they sure as hell watch it a lot)

Oh, he'll win the Democratic Nomination.

It's the general election that is worrying now.

 

[harSon]

I don't have a wikipedia link. Google it.


:lol fucking pathetic

I agree, you should be ashamed.

 

[ari]

yes.. i know. but what exactly was the extent of their relationship? it really is a non-issue.. which is why it barely got play when it was first 'discovered.' you can bet your ass that this would have already been blown up if it was possible.

What i'm saying is that this and the pastorgate stuff could seriously be a dark cloud over obama. He'll have to try to explain both of these associations while at the same time voters would be like...."umm". Pastorgate blew up out of no where and cnn and fox already knew about that until the video came out. Mccain WILL run with that. I see why he won't. All he have to do just say he's associated with an american terrorist and it'll stick.

being a member of the scene, Obama accepted a $200 dollar donation from the man. 25 years ago.

Yeah, down with his presidency! He did drugs too (but he exaggerated how much in his book, another fabrication)!

ALSO, for the record, I don't think Hillary Clinton would dare bring this Weather Underground business up.

Because Bill Clinton pardoned major Weather Underground members Susan Rosenberg and Linda Sue Evans shortly before leaving office in 2001.

Which is WAY FUCKING WORSE than accepting a 200 dollar donation from Ayers 25 years ago.

actually that was more like 7 years ago when obama first ran for the senate, while he served on the woods fund panel with him.

 

[AmishNazi]

You know sometimes I feel like I'm living in 1940's Germany.

 

[avatar299]

First of all, Obama and Hillary do disagree on specific policy DETAIL... of those, I tend to side with Obama.

That's why i'm voting for him

But universal health care is still universal health, etc etc for other policies.

Second of all as has been stated over and over again, voting Obama is not merely voting for his policies, but his political approach. Will he live up to his post-partisan, 'across-the-aisle' rhetoric? Who the fuck knows! But it's a lot more appealing of a shot than the politics-as-usual, Republican playbook bullshit Hillary has been playing at, and not much needs to be elaborated on the differences between McCain and Obama.

So the definite improvement is now a might? heh fine whatever

So you're just responding to me for fun, and you're not choosing specific aspects of my comments to criticize and disagree with? Seems an odd thing to do but hey, your free time.

ummm...yeah. I don't understand why people get so god damn offended on GAF if you don't agree on every single thing. The way some of you act, it's like obama is paying Gaffers

But I'm not joking about the fascism comment. To many people are not critical of Pres Obama and being critical of someone does not mean you oppose him so i like questioning what he says.

Also laughing at obama supporters is more fun than laughing at APF, Cooltrick and PD.

Oh, he'll win the Democratic Nomination.

It's the general election that is worrying now.

He'll win that too. All he has to say is "You support George bush" and John McCain loses a vote.

Or he could bring up the gook statement to counter the racist accusations. Borrowing money to counter any complaints about economic policy, Or he could blah blah blah...

 

[avatar299]

I agree, you should be ashamed.

I don't agree. Why should i be ashamed for having a higher intellect and conversing with someone with a higher intellect. Ami understood what i said to him. You didn't.

Why should I be ashamed for you. I'm not your dad.

 

[AmishNazi]

But I'm not joking about the fascism comment. To many people are not critical of Pres Obama and being critical of someone does not mean you oppose him so i like questioning what he says.

Yet you are damning him for his connection to a man who questions the government and the way it uses religion as a shield.

 

[Amir0x]

actually that was more like 7 years ago when obama first ran for the senate, while he served on the woods fund panel with him.

I didn't remember exact details of time and money, so I just basically agreed with what someone else stated above me.

That said, again, Hillary won't bring it up - the skeletons in her closet regarding Weather Underground are far worse.

 

[avatar299]

Yet you are damning him for his connection to a man who questions the government and the way it uses religion as a shield.

I don't remember ever damning Obama in this thread. i remember damning his pastor and disagreeing with some of the things Obama said, but damning him. No i don't remember that.

 

[ari]

I didn't remember exact details of time and money, so I just basically agreed with what someone else stated above me.

That said, again, Hillary won't bring it up - the skeletons in her closet regarding Weather Underground are far worse.

Both democrats will be hurt if the news media break the story. But like i said, its all over the conservatives airwaves, just today sean hannity did like an entire hour on it. Sooner or later it'll roar its head.

He even read quotes and did an interview with one of the members. I say any day now. :/

 

[Particle Physicist]

Both democrats will be hurt if the news media break the story. But like i said, its all over the conservatives airwaves, just today sean hannity did like an entire hour on it. Sooner or later it'll roar its head.

He even read quotes and did an interview with one of the members. I say any day now. :/

the news media already reported on this. the story was broken by the New York Sun, and CNN later reported on it.. once again. non-story.

obama's campaign even commented on it:

But the paper said that, in a statement, a spokesman for the Obama campaign, William Burton, said, "Sen. Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence ... But he was an 8-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost 40 years ago is ridiculous."

non-story. the end. please stop.

 

[APF]

Are we back to making lazy arguments like the world will fall into complete socioeconomic stasis or ruin unless a certain sainted individual wrests the reigns of power from an unenlightened and largely unworthy populace? I'm all for the argument that people deserve who they vote for, but really? Are we really making such a fearmongering and shallow argument here?

 

[avatar299]

Are we back to making lazy arguments like the world will fall into complete socioeconomic stasis or ruin unless a certain sainted individual wrests the reigns of power from an unenlightened and largely unworthy populace? I'm all for the argument that people deserve who they vote for, but really? Are we really making such a fearmongering and shallow argument here?

Like I said, I'm not joking about the fascists comments.

Some Obama supporters are scary

 

[Particle Physicist]

Like I said, I'm not joking about the fascists comments.

Some Obama supporters are scary

please drop it. you have political lunatics on all sides saying the same shit about their candidate.

 

[APF]

Yes; please stop saying things I don't want to hear.

 

[Particle Physicist]

Yes; please stop saying things I don't want to hear.

thats not it at all. i have no problems with people attacking obama as a candidate. i have issues when people start attacking his supporters.

 

[avatar299]

please drop it. you have political lunatics on all sides saying the same shit about their candidate.

And that makes it okay?

thats not it at all. i have no problems with people attacking obama as a candidate. i have issues when people start attacking his supporters.

have you defended hillary,mccain,huckabee,romney and paul supporters as well during the last 17 months.

 

[thekad]

APF and avatar sure do have selective hearing . Ami sez: if idiots fall for BS, they deserve what they get; APF/avatar reply: Fascist!

 

[ari]

the news media already reported on this. the story was broken by the New York Sun, and CNN later reported on it.. once again. non-story.

obama's campaign even commented on it:



non-story. the end. please stop.

hardly ever broken, so what ever.

 

[Particle Physicist]

have you defended hillary,mccain,huckabee,romney and paul supporters as well during the last 17 months.

i have stated that people should stop their bickering over those supporters. yes.


once again. i rarely ever see people complain about hillary supporters on here.. yet, most of the criticism i see.. tends to be about the 'cult' like nature of obama fans. ive seen people jump into these threads for the sole purpose of spouting off against obama fans, and thats it. no real political discourse. nothing. the only thing this shit does is derail threads.

 

[avatar299]

APF and avatar sure do have selective hearing . Ami sez: if idiots fall for BS, they deserve what they get; APF/avatar reply: Fascist!

thekad sure is an idiot. avatar sez "belief that only obama can fix our problems and all other candidates, even those extremely like him cannot sounds fascist; thekad has no idea what fascist is, reply with something completely off the mark making himself look even more like a joke.

i have stated that people should stop their bickering over those supporters. yes.


once again. i rarely ever see people complain about hillary supporters on here.. yet, most of the criticism i see.. tends to be about the 'cult' like nature of obama fans. ive seen people jump into these threads for the sole purpose of spouting off against obama fans, and thats it. no real political discourse. nothing. the only thing this shit does is derail threads.

i would say there have been plenty of great political debate during the past year. They are just rare posts in 30 page threads, but whatever.

Edit: and you shouldn't be offended when someone attacks "political lunatics"

 

[thekad]

avatar doesn't know what fascist means nor does he understand what selective hearing entails. I quit.

 

[APF]

Lets not further bring this into personal bickering. At the same time, it's hypocritical to just condemn attacks against Obama supporters when the comments in question were made in relation to a post attacking people who aren't his supporters--ie supporters of other candidates.

 

[PhoenixDark]

GQ has a must-read interview with Meghan McCain, the 23-year-old daughter of the candidate.

Likening herself to dad, Meghan says: “I’m almost incapable of bullshit. He’s the same way.”

And then she proves it, in ways that are both refreshing and bracing.

Just like her dad, Meghan's comments will at times give the campaign some headaches. But just as the elder McCain's candor has proven to be more asset than drawback in his political life — so far, at least — Meghan's I-am-who-I-am persona has to date been an unalloyed asset to her dad. Just check out her blog, which has taken off and drawn many young women into the fold (and a few young guys who may or may not come for the fashion tips).

With that, Meghan McCain:

On Obama:

“He’s a rock star,” she says of the Illinois senator. “Everybody flipped out, but I think universally women find him attractive. Whatever.”

On Romney:

“Mitt didn’t keep it real,” Meghan says, munching on a nacho chip.

On the prospect of Huck being veep:

“That’s not going to happen,” Meghan says firmly. “I don’t think they’d be a good match for a lot of reasons and am not even sure if that’s what Huckabee’s going for, anyway. I think he wants to be the head of the evangelical movement.”

And on her 96-year-old grandmother:



“Nana drives fast,” Meghan says. “She got pulled over for doing 112 in Flagstaff about a year ago.”

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0308/Meghan_McCain_unplugged.html
:lol

 

[Particle Physicist]

Edit: and you shouldn't be offended when someone attacks "political lunatics"

there is a difference between attacking specific political lunatics.. and condemning all political supporters of one candidate.. which is what goes on here.

Lets not further bring this into personal bickering. At the same time, it's hypocritical to just condemn attacks against Obama supporters when the comments in question were made in relation to a post attacking people who aren't his supporters--ie supporters of other candidates.

that is a good point. and i agree. i missed that post, but its just as misguided..

 

[avatar299]

avatar doesn't know what fascist means nor does he understand what selective hearing entails. I quit.

before you quit, tell me where I'm wrong.

there is a difference between attacking specific political lunatics.. and condemning all political supporters of one candidate.. which is what goes on here.

I said some.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0308/Meghan_McCain_unplugged.html
:lol

:lol

 

[FightyF]

Many people on the right today would totally crucify Jesus. I mean he kept company with prostitutes and tax collectors.

He's also a middle eastern guy with a long beard who speaks Aramaic. If that doesn't hold him up at Airport Security I don't know what will.

The American Jesus on the other hand...

Time for avatar299 to tag out and for APF to jump in.

*APF jumps in and immedeately puts quadriplegicjon in an arm bar...he moves to a sleeper hold...and then back into an armbar*

 

[APF]

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0308/Meghan_McCain_unplugged.html
:lol

Holy shit, give this woman Chris Matthews' job!

 

[avatar299]

He's also a middle eastern guy with a long beard who speaks Aramaic. If that doesn't hold him up at Airport Security I don't know what will.

The American Jesus on the other hand...

Time for avatar299 to tag out and for APF to jump in.

*APF jumps in and immedeately puts quadriplegicjon in an arm bar...he moves to a sleeper hold...and then back into an armbar*

I'm sorry, i don't tag with chain wrestlers. I'm a lucha libre, hence my dislike of obama.

 

[Particle Physicist]

Time for avatar299 to tag out and for APF to jump in.

*APF jumps in and immedeately puts quadriplegicjon in an arm bar...he moves to a sleeper hold...and then back into an armbar*

why do hillary supporters (and fake obama supporters) always gang up on me! :.(

 

[scorcho]

You pretty much just said stuff can't improve without Barack obama. That is a...really fascist thing to say actually.

define fascism for me. you could've made a connection to authoritarianism or that it is a 'dictatorial' thing to say, i guess.

but 'fascist'? no, not really.

 

[topsyturvy]

Wow, i wasn't here for awhile....What i miss?

 

[avatar299]

Wow, i wasn't here for awhile....What i miss?

There is no such thing as racist pastors
Statue of Liberty was a black woman
Martin Luther King ghostwrites for barack obama
Every black member of GAF has a racist relative, except me. That is bullshit right there.
barack Obama isn't a fascist, but damn you could have fooled me.
Final fantasy is racist

That's a pretty safe round-up in my opinion

 

[The Take Out Bandit]

Got a chance to hear the speech today. It's pretty good, but nothing I didn't already know and nothing any American who doesn't have their fucking head in the sand shouldn't already know.

However I believe this is not the "right time" for Obama. Or any of these other knuckleheads for that matter. :\

 

[norinrad21]

Got a chance to hear the speech today. It's pretty good, but nothing I didn't already know and nothing any American who doesn't have their fucking head in the sand shouldn't already know.

However I believe this is not the "right time" for Obama. Or any of these other knuckleheads for that matter. :\

That would me 90% since most Americans can't even locate Iraq on the map

 

[The Take Out Bandit]

That would me 90% since most Americans can't even locate Iraq on the map

Are you saying all sand comes from Iraq?!

That's racist!

 

[norinrad21]

Are you saying all sand comes from Iraq?!

That's racist!

I'm off to bed, its 1:30 AM here and i need to get up at 7

 

[electricpirate]

Sorry I had my amount of time wrong for Ayers. 11 years ago is the supposed "meeting" of the two at Ayers and Dorhns home, and they served on a comittee together for three years. The $200 was 6 years ago.

It's still a really tenous connection.

As Bloomberg News reported recently, Obama and Ayers have crossed paths repeatedly in the last decade. In 1997, Obama cited Ayers’ critique of the juvenile justice system in a Chicago Tribune article on what prominent Chicagoans were reading. He and Ayers served together on the board of the Woods Fund of Chicago for three years starting in 1999. In 2001, Ayers also gave $200 to Obama’s state Senate reelection campaign.

Many details of the 1995 meeting are shrouded by time and by Obama’s and Ayers’ refusals to discuss it.

The exact date is not known, but it was in the second half of 1995, before Palmer’s decision — late in her losing congressional primary against Jesse Jackson Jr. — to jump back into the special election for her state Senate seat. (Her decision produced a rift between her and Obama, who was able to get her thrown off the ballot on technical grounds.)

“That’s too long ago — that’s ancient history,” Palmer said, when asked of the meeting.

Dr. Young and another guest, Maria Warren, described it similarly: as an introduction to Hyde Park liberals of the handpicked successor to Palmer, a well-regarded figure on the left.

“When I first met Barack Obama, he was giving a standard, innocuous little talk in the living room of those two legends-in-their-own-minds, Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn,” Warren wrote on her blog in 2005. “They were launching him — introducing him to the Hyde Park community as the best thing since sliced bread.”

Edit:

To me, I watch this clip (the new swiftboat kid), and in a lot of ways you listen to the speech than to this, and you start to feel the twinges of backfire. You watch this and you feel like the makers of this video were just left behind, that the dialog changed without them knowing. Republicans are going to push this hard, but I don't think it's going to work.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=72B3tUAqpo4&eurl=http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/

 

[XxenobladerxX]

BO is going to be on Larry King live tomorrow night.

 

[electricpirate]

I think it's time to end this thread, the we've' started crossposting between the two.

 

[Riskbreaker23]

you know its kinda funny that this situation is almost like the Return of the King episode of the Boondocks.

MLK wakes up and everybody is happy and first and then 911 happens and MLK comments on. Then all the tv shows and new channels start calling him un-patriotic and an al-queda lover.

 

[avatar299]

you know its kinda funny that this situation is almost like the Return of the King episode of the Boondocks.

MLK wakes up and everybody is happy and first and then 911 happens and MLK comments on. Then all the tv shows and new channels start calling him un-patriotic and an al-queda lover.

this is nothing like that

 

[effzee]

How rude. Would your messiah approve of this?

Just how exactly is the executive in chief going to solve these social problems. More affirmative action, more speeches.

Barack Obama didn't say anything new. He just said what everyone wanted to hear

no it was new. it was new because usually politicians don't say what he said or at the very least they do not hold press conferences to address some of the issues.

listen im well aware that there is no magic wand he can wave that will fix the race issue. he cant...no one can.

as long as one group of ppl is in the majority (be it race, gender, religion) the other will always feel some resentment, disfranchisement, and delegation to 2nd class. some of it is real and some of it perceived. so no matter how many generations later you look at it...the majority will always have incidents of racism against those who are below them. and the minority will always feel those incidents and even those where no racism was present. its human nature.

its true not just for america now, but for all societies throughout history of mankind.

with that said obama sounded presidential. he sounded smart. he sounded like he knew what he was talking about. and like others have said maybe its just that its so refreshing after 8 LONG yrs with bush that ppl forgot how a president is supposed to sound like. on top of that HE ASSUMED WE WERE GROWN UP ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND HIS POINT. which to me is brilliant. i do not want to be talked down to by "the decider".

and my point was that obama brought up the resentment issues pretty well. he identified that its not just mindless babble but there are some root causes for this anger. and seriously the pastor's post 911 comments IMO were not out of line. i know no one was allowed to say anything negative but its been pretty much proven factually that yes US's history in foreign affairs led up to 911. not saying anything was "deserved" but its just common sense. it did not just happen out of the blue for no reason. go read "Ghost Wars" or the 911 commission report.

i am just hoping that if he is elected he applies the same logic to understand the anger the world has towards the united states, esp in the middle east, and its policies regarding israel and the region. that he realizes that the anger is real and has roots. because far too many times i hear all these politicians brush aside the issue in real simple terms and claim "well if so so stops killing so and so things will be solved".

now obama might just be a great talker and if elected be the status quo. he very well could be. but at least him bringing it up and talking about lets us know that even if he will not change what he hopes that he understands. its better than not saying it at all. just him saying it shows to me he at least gets it. he is not just regurgitating what we have been programmed to hear from politicians.

me personally i don't know who im voting for and these stupid controversies will not determine my choice. i usually stay out of the race till the debates or when i can really compare and contrast the viewpoints of the candidates. none of this media blown out of proportion stuff matters to me and i would hope it doesn't to most americans but judging by the size of this thread it does.

just on a side note its funny when i listen to some morning shows how they go in depth about these nonsense issues yet never discuss what each candidate's stance on certain issues is. thats american democracy i guess.

White people are the solve reason for every problem in the world.
White people only see African women as something to fuck
White people created AIDS just to kill minorities

I don't know, but to me all of the above is racist.

thats why i was asking moron. i haven't kept up with the daily "OMG OBAMA SAID THIS" or "OMG HILLARY CRIED WHAT DOES THIS MEAN???!?!"

all i knew was that that his pastor remarked how the united states has done a lot of shady stuff overseas and that it shouldn't be a shock that ppl are angry or that it should hit home. that i agree with 100% btw.

of course if he said the AIDS thing or that all problems are created cause of WHITE PPL then that there is wrong.

i will say this though...like i mentioned earlier about majority vs minority (regardless if its race, gender, or religion)...what matters is who is offended. when racist WHITE christians spew hate speech while being on the side of republican candidates there is usually a small uproad but its generally its pushed aside soon enough. its because the victim is always some minority grp. gays, muslims, blacks, mexicans, women, or which grp you can think off. when a minority grp member says something to offend the majority...THEN IT STICKS.

another example is to compare the reaction of the media (in terms of length, rationale, and a solid discussion) when say innocent Palestinians die compared to innocent Israelis.

so for those wondering why this is a big deal and all those racist spiritual guides to the republicans don't matter....its because the grp being offended is the majority.

 

[dasein]

Does anyone know where I can get this speech in spanish? I want to share it with my next door neighbors who are into politics.

 

[Tommie Hu$tle]

i love how this one sermon is the only this pastor has ever preached before. i guess he said the same thing week after week, year after year.

Hate to bring shock and awe into this discussion but, I would think most Black churches would have some element of what he has said in them. Newsflash: the house of the Lord is the most segregated institution in America.

White Churches by and large don't speak to issues of race because race isn't an issue for the vast majority of White America. Even if you go back to the civil rights era race was more of a issue for the Jewish and Black communities more than it has ever been for the white Protestant community.

I think that people should focus less on the sermon and more on the American culture that allows this type of attitude to exist. The problem with that train of thought is that people will be required to look at themselves and ask themselves to change. Obama could host a live sacrifice of the Preacher on national TV and it wouldn't make one iota of difference on how we treat one another in the streets, in the workplace, in our homes, in our communities.

So really if Obama does everything that everyone want him to do what are they required to do in return? Are we required to look at our views on race or is it just him? Or better yet is it just Obama with the problem because the rest of America is ok?

 

[mckmas8808]

this is nothing like that

This is exactly like that.

 

[ari]

nm

 

[so_awes]

"What if he really deep down in his heart thinks like Pastor Wright, and i don't know that he does. but if he did, that would mean a racist and an anti-Semite would be president of the united states." - Sean Hannity

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=164521&title=the-dialogue-begins near the end at 3:57

douche bag = Sean Hannity