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Obama's pastor: "God Damn America"
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Didn't Obama name his book after a sermon that his pastor made? Seems to me they must be pretty close for him to do that. I dont see how these comments could only have been made the weeks Obama did not go to church. I mean he has been going there for 20 years Obama must have known what his pastors views on race were. Or are we supposed to believe that the pastor wrote two sermons every week and if Obama was there he did one sermon and not there he did the other sermon??
and your retort is more than predictable.gkrykewy said:Black hitler? WTF? Your tag is more than apt.
James Power said:No, I belong to the very few who dare to be honest. Minorities and black people in particular are voting for Obama out of the sheer principle that he's black. Period. He's their cure to their imaginary discrimination by white people. This is sick and so fucking racist yet excepted by the majority of the guilt ridden white population. The fact of the matter that his race plays such a major role in this whole campaign is nothing but an insult. Obama is black so he can afford to have no actual plans but only promise "change". That's all he's selling and that's what all the people want to buy.
I'll give you a reality check: In case Obama becomes president people will be so excited and will be so looking forward to change they'll probably hold their collective breath.
Guess what. Nothing will happen. Nothing will change, nothing relevant anyway, because most people are not aware of what kind of power a president holds over his country anyway. There will be small things he can influence, maybe even the health care system in a couple of years and if he gets re-elected. But the kind of empty change he plays with right now simply cannot happen and that'll be the point when his unconditional fans will realize their delusion.
Excellent post.
polyh3dron
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Wait...
So Obama's pastor said that the US brought 9/11 on itself with their own kind of "terrorism", the government is reponsible for putting drugs in the inner city (crack in the 80s etc) and that America in general has treated blacks badly?
LIES, ALL LIES!!!!
So Obama's pastor said that the US brought 9/11 on itself with their own kind of "terrorism", the government is reponsible for putting drugs in the inner city (crack in the 80s etc) and that America in general has treated blacks badly?
LIES, ALL LIES!!!!
Kitschkraft
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JB1981 said:So Barack donated $22,000 dollars to this man's church, had his children baptized by this black Hitler. His pastor also goes to Tripoli and and meets up with Khadhafi along w/ his racist buddy Louis Farakkhan and we're supposed to believe that Barack visits this church only to listen to messages of hope, change and feeding the poor? Are you people crazy?
LMAO @ "Black Hitler"..........:lol
Just like I've ALWAYS felt...white people are VERY FRIGHTENED at the thought of uppity negros, thats ALL this comes down to.
If you're not MLK and you are a black leader, you are going to be demonized by whites. Any message apart from "We are all in love with each other through God" is going to be seen as "radical" or "too militent". ANY critique of America? You might as well talk about storming the white house!
Why don't you jump off Farrakhans dick for a minute? I don't agree with a whole lot of what he says, hell, I'm a fucking atheist for starters, but for you and other whites to deny how IMMENSELY IMPORTANT the NoI has been and continues to be for civil rights in America is nothing more then a case of burning down the whole forrest for a few trees. The million man march was one of the most important moments for Black America in the nineties, and probably in our history. You hate him? Hell, maybe you should. But why don't you think about how blacks feel in this country in regards to some of our presidents and some of our leaders? Everytime I spend a fucking dollar I have to look at some slave owning asshole, so fuck throwing a hissy fit over Obama knowing a man that knows Farrakhan.
I'm glad Obama is still listening to our community and not cherry picking for every brutha that "just wants to get along"....we will find out soon enough if whites can accept this.
The truth is that America is one nation, with a divided history, that has resulted in a separate ethnic group that while sharing many things (Hell, most things) with whites in this country, still has some very important distinctions, especially in regards to politics. The truth is that we have been living under leaders that look and think nothing like us for our entire history...and this hasn't always been so bad. Nobody ever said that whites can't lead blacks and vice versa. But it seems that the thought of a leader that is actually a black man that actually knows he is black is going to be a gigantic problem for white America. The hostility shown towards the black community by Ronald Reagan would never happen in reverse, NEVER, you will never hear Obama referring to poor white trash as they are, but it's okay for Reagan to get his "Welfare queens" comments in, huh?
I get sick of this shit, white america always feels so fucking righteous whenever the issue of race comes up, whose to say who is wrong and who is right? The only thing that sways in your favor is pure quantity...theres just more whites, so blacks are forced to backdown on these issues. This is why Obama is really the only person that could have recruited me into caring about these elections in the first place, if he loses, I'm going back to looking for more autonomy for the black community. If we can't sit at fathers seat at his table, then I don't even want to eat.
Your response still doesn't address the fact that Barack is claiming that he hasn't heard this man espouse these views before. The man is a bigot and an America-hater to the core. And this is a man that Barack Obama considers an inspiration. Only when the right-wing media hold this man's feet to the fire, does he come out and condemn (pretty weakly, I might add) what this man represents. It also doesn't help that he's a proponent of laughable black liberation theology.
AMERIKAKKK.
Chickens coming home to ROOST.
Hope. And change we can believe in. We are the ones we've been waiting for, indeed.
AMERIKAKKK.
Chickens coming home to ROOST.
Hope. And change we can believe in. We are the ones we've been waiting for, indeed.
artredis1980
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JB1981 said:Your response still doesn't address the fact that Barack is claiming that he hasn't heard this man espouse these views before. The man is a bigot and an America-hater to the core. And this is a man that Barack Obama considers an inspiration. Only when the right-wing media hold this man's feet to the fire, does he come out and condemn (pretty weakly, I might add) what this man represents. It also doesn't help that he's a proponent of laughable black liberation theology.
AMERIKAKKK.
Chickens coming home to ROOST.
Hope. And change we can believe in. We are the ones we've been waiting for, indeed.
No, the man he espoused and his mentor was the Chicago Politician who promoted him when he was young.
This is what is the effect of this story:
http://www.google.com/trends?q=Jere...itzer,+Ferraro&ctab=0&geo=all&date=mtd&sort=0
Image: http://www.google.com/trends/viz?q=...date=mtd&geo=all&graph=weekly_img&ctab=0&sa=N
Compare Clinton, Obama, Ferraro and Jeremiah Write and Spitzer, The pastor story has had NO impact compared with Ferraro and Spitzer
So basically, if you don't get what you want, you're going to take your ball and go home. Real mature.Liara T'Soni said:I get sick of this shit, white america always feels so fucking righteous whenever the issue of race comes up, whose to say who is wrong and who is right? The only thing that sways in your favor is pure quantity...theres just more whites, so blacks are forced to backdown on these issues. This is why Obama is really the only person that could have recruited me into caring about these elections in the first place, if he loses, I'm going back to looking for more autonomy for the black community. If we can't sit at fathers seat at his table, then I don't even want to eat.
Deus Ex Machina
Member
This is how I feel.typhonsentra said:God, things are looking horrible for his campaign right now. Rezko and his pastor, they keep boomeranging back to him every couple of days, it's harsh. He brings some of it on himself though, we all know his denial of being in the church at the time of controversial sermons is going to come back and bite him in the ass.
Pimpwerx said:We are still aware that Hildawg is boned come the convention, right? PEACE.
this is more concerning the general election.
Absinthe (Permed)
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Liara T'Soni said:LMAO @ "Black Hitler"..........:lol
Just like I've ALWAYS felt...white people are VERY FRIGHTENED at the thought of uppity negros, thats ALL this comes down to.
If you're not MLK and you are a black leader, you are going to be demonized by whites. Any message apart from "We are all in love with each other through God" is going to be seen as "radical" or "too militent". ANY critique of America? You might as well talk about storming the white house!
Why don't you jump off Farrakhans dick for a minute? I don't agree with a whole lot of what he says, hell, I'm a fucking atheist for starters, but for you and other whites to deny how IMMENSELY IMPORTANT the NoI has been and continues to be for civil rights in America is nothing more then a case of burning down the whole forrest for a few trees. The million man march was one of the most important moments for Black America in the nineties, and probably in our history. You hate him? Hell, maybe you should. But why don't you think about how blacks feel in this country in regards to some of our presidents and some of our leaders? Everytime I spend a fucking dollar I have to look at some slave owning asshole, so fuck throwing a hissy fit over Obama knowing a man that knows Farrakhan.
I'm glad Obama is still listening to our community and not cherry picking for every brutha that "just wants to get along"....we will find out soon enough if whites can accept this.
The truth is that America is one nation, with a divided history, that has resulted in a separate ethnic group that while sharing many things (Hell, most things) with whites in this country, still has some very important distinctions, especially in regards to politics. The truth is that we have been living under leaders that look and think nothing like us for our entire history...and this hasn't always been so bad. Nobody ever said that whites can't lead blacks and vice versa. But it seems that the thought of a leader that is actually a black man that actually knows he is black is going to be a gigantic problem for white America. The hostility shown towards the black community by Ronald Reagan would never happen in reverse, NEVER, you will never hear Obama referring to poor white trash as they are, but it's okay for Reagan to get his "Welfare queens" comments in, huh?
I get sick of this shit, white america always feels so fucking righteous whenever the issue of race comes up, whose to say who is wrong and who is right? The only thing that sways in your favor is pure quantity...theres just more whites, so blacks are forced to backdown on these issues. This is why Obama is really the only person that could have recruited me into caring about these elections in the first place, if he loses, I'm going back to looking for more autonomy for the black community. If we can't sit at fathers seat at his table, then I don't even want to eat.
Funny accusations considering this entire post smacks of self-righteousness. I don't give a shit if a black man is in office or not. Did you ever stop and think that maybe people hate this guy because they think he isn't qualified for the job? It has nothing to do with me being "frightened". Your little hypothesis that you've blanketed the white race with is full of shit.
polyh3dron
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The bottom line is that as far a community organizing goes, Louis Farrakhan has helped inner city blacks a whole lot in a whole bunch of different ways. He also thinks Jews are white devils and has beliefs about UFOs that would make L. Ron Hubbard's wandering thetan laugh.Liara T'Soni said:LMAO @ "Black Hitler"..........:lol
Pastor Wright admires Farrakhan for the great work he has done for black communities in spite of his extreme (and obviously wrong) views.
When Pastor Wright said God Damn America, it was in the context that America as a country has given blacks a whole bunch of bad breaks as described in the OP and nothing he is saying is all that outlandish. Of course, they want to take the "God Damn America" line out of context just like the flag lapel pin and the lack of a hand on the chest during the allegiance pledge.
I see nothing wrong with what Pastor Wright had said personally. The ability to question and challenge America as well as hold it accountable is one of the very foundations the country was built on.
maximum360
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The one thing that the Obama camp hasn't learned yet is how to effectively deal with situations like this and move on. The could learn from McCain on this one. As soon as there's an issue, get together, brainstorm, get the facts together, and then schedule a press release the next day. Answer all the questions decisively. It may make headlines for a few days but then fizzle out shortly afterwards (well until the GE anyway).
maximum360 said:The one thing that the Obama camp hasn't learned yet is how to effectively deal with situations like this and move on. The could learn from McCain on this one. As soon as there's an issue, get together, brainstorm, get the facts together, and then schedule a press release the next day. Answer all the questions decisively. It may make headlines for a few days but then fizzle out shortly afterwards (well until the GE anyway).
Er....what were those interviews he did?
typhonsentra
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By the way, I have to say I'm pleasantly surprised by the Clinton camp not jumping on this issue. The only thing her campaign has talked about yesterday was the 2005 energy bill as far as I can tell.
artredis1980
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typhonsentra said:By the way, I have to say I'm pleasantly surprised by the Clinton camp not jumping on this issue. The only thing her campaign has talked about yesterday was the 2005 energy bill as far as I can tell.
neither have the republicans
typhonsentra
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I'd say Gingrich counts on this one. If you mean McCain then yeah, he's handled this better than anyone else really. Obama could learn a thing or two from him, he's been through this kind of thing before.artredis1980 said:neither have the republicans
radioheadrule83
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http://www.mingthemerciless.com/black_hitler.html
You hear one thing on the internet, you can google it and find it in a million other places!
It seems he's not the only guy who's called one of these dudes Black Hitler btw.
You hear one thing on the internet, you can google it and find it in a million other places!
It seems he's not the only guy who's called one of these dudes Black Hitler btw.
Askia47 said:I'm surprised this is making so much news after yesterday's market fiasco. I think thats a bit more pressing than Obama's pastors "remarks".
Nah, Bush told us yesterdaya the economy's doing swell, no news there!
Tamanon said:Nah, Bush told us yesterdaya the economy's doing swell, no news there!
LOL, recession time may be coming. His conference came at exactly the wrong day.
maximum360
Member
Tamanon said:Er....what were those interviews he did?
For some things, interviews are just not enough. A press conference gets it all out there. The longer you have some unanswered questions and allow the press/talk radio etc, to speculate, the longer this thing stays in the headlines. This is probably the weak link in their campaign so far. Obama's camp has to learn to deal with issues decisively, and immediately. Bring it out in the open to deflate the issue and move on. (Hopefully Kerry is not advising him on how to respond to attacks.)
Vgamer said:Didn't Obama name his book after a sermon that his pastor made? Seems to me they must be pretty close for him to do that. I dont see how these comments could only have been made the weeks Obama did not go to church. I mean he has been going there for 20 years Obama must have known what his pastors views on race were. Or are we supposed to believe that the pastor wrote two sermons every week and if Obama was there he did one sermon and not there he did the other sermon??
Down south this kind of thing is quite common. I thought it was everywhere.
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
siamesedreamer said:This is a political nightmare for his campaign.
Nah, not really. Spitzer-Gate is effectively blunting this nonsense. Exploiting "Kristen" takes precedence over anything.
maximum360 said:For some things, interviews are just not enough. A press conference gets it all out there. The longer you have some unanswered questions and allow the press/talk radio etc, to speculate, the longer this thing stays in the headlines. This is probably the weak link in their campaign so far. Obama's camp has to learn to deal with issues decisively, and immediately. Bring it out in the open to deflate the issue and move on. (Hopefully Kerry is not advising him on how to respond to attacks.)
He's written a public statement, publicly denounced and renounced the guys outlandish statements, cut ties with him, and done interviews on almost every major news network. What the fuck do you want the guy to do? :lol
typhonsentra
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Where'd you hear this?Cheebs said:Clinton campaign will hold a press conference on this today, calling it Obama's recent "flap".
harSon said:He's written a public statement, publicly denounced and renounced the guys outlandish statements, cut ties with him, and done interviews on almost every major news network. What the fuck do you want the guy to do? :lol
I think he's going to have to write a third book now.
Deus Ex Machina
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After Obama fired his former pastor from the team, Hillary needs to leave well enough alone.. rubbing it in will not benefit her.Cheebs said:Clinton campaign will hold a press conference on this today, calling it Obama's recent "flap".
Zedsdeadbaby
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Cheebs said:Clinton campaign will hold a press conference on this today, calling it Obama's recent "flap".
Jesus. They really are clutching at straws now. Clinton just doesn't realize that her vicious tactics are not helping her image. Especially after she oh-so-very-weakly handled Ferraro. Trying this conference today will be the most hypocritical thing she's ever done.
edit: well, not 'ever' - going back on policies, party shifts, etc are a lot worse. But you know what I mean. The tactics seen in the democractic nomination campaign so far have been largely controversial and abhorrent.
Deus Ex Machina
Member
The Clintons had dealings with Rezko as well, I don't know how far they can go with this. Obama explain himself quite well on Olbermann last night, there's no Rezko "flap".. contrary to others want you to believe.Tamanon said:I doubt Clinton will even bring it up. Church is something most politicians themselves won't touch. Now Rezko on the other hand.....
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
harSon said:I learned one thing from this. Publicly talk about the destruction of Muslims and it's all good, question and or blame White America and all hell is going to break loose.
Well, I think Guileless very clearly laid out the rules:
Guileless said:But the only Democrats who have won presidential elections in the last 40 years were Southerners who presented themselves as moderates who were not beholden to the fringe elements of the party.
The rules are that only Republicans are allowed to take fringe elements of their party and prop them up as a vital cornerstone of success in elections. So if McCain wants to expose his soft underbelly for right-wing wackos and they in turn shun him for not being wacko enough, this is actually bad for him, whereas Obama must sever all ties to his wacko pastor and it's good for him. Potentially.
Kitschkraft
Member
http://www.theroot.com/id/45012
Came across this a few days ago, older material (A few weeks) but seems quite relevant now.
To Denounce and Reject
By Marjorie Valbrun | TheRoot.com
Why the Farrakhan litmus test must go.
Feb. 27, 2008 --It was the fall of 1985 when Min. Louis Farrakhan burst onto the New York City political scene. I was a journalism student at Columbia University at the time and, truth be told, I was woefully naive and politically uninformed. I had only a vague idea of who Farrakhan was until he gave a controversial Madison Square Garden speech to 25,000 people.
His arrival would prove to be one of my earliest lessons in the hypocrisy of the media and of the white political establishment. One after another prominent black political leaders were sought out by reporters and asked if they would publicly denounce, condemn, or repudiate Farrakhan. White political leaders called on black leaders who did not respond to promptly do so, and harshly criticized those who refused. It was all very surreal, and even as an inexperienced political watcher and budding student journalist, I knew there was something very wrong with this picture.
Bullying black leaders to represent the entire black race and to speak and think as one, while also treating every loud-mouthed, controversial black leader as if they represent the opinions, political views and personal aspirations of every black American, seemed to me to be a journalistic and political double-standard that was rarely, if ever, applied to white leaders and politicians.
Tuesday night's debate between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama took me back two decades. NBC newsman Tim Russert pointedly quizzed Obama about Farrakhan's recent speech in which he sang the Illinois Senator's praises. (Contrary to some reports, Farrakhan stopped short of endorsing him.) Still, Russert nudged Obama not only to denounce Farrakhan but to outright reject his support. It made me wonder when black people are going to stop being called to account for the deeds and words of other blacks.
First a word about Farrakhan. Yes, his history of anti-Semitism -- and make no mistake about it, that's what it is -- is ugly, hateful, and counterproductive. If Farrakhan were a white man who said about black Baptists what he said about Jewish people, many of us would call for his head. But would we ask every prominent white politician to stand up and publicly repudiate and reject him? Recent history indicates we would not. How many white politicians would even feel any compunction to actually do so?
The larger question is why Farrakhan is the litmus test for black politicians' views on race and not the politicians' own record of comments, actions and legislative votes? Why is it that only after they repudiate Farrakhan are they then deemed not to be closet black militants? Farrakhan does not have the political influence over black people that some white Americans apparently believe. Nor does Rev. Al Sharpton, or Rev. Jesse Jackson Sr., or any of the other prominent black people that the media treat as proxies for all black people.
Reporters did not run out in droves to ask white politicians to reject Don Imus after he made his remarks about the black female basketball players at Rutgers University. White politicians did not eagerly line up to do so. Nor did they repudiate fellow white politicians who did not. A few, and only a few, said they would no longer go on the Imus show. (Tim Russert, who appeared often on the Imus show, was not among those who said they would no longer be a guest.)
Most black people saw Imus as an irresponsible white man with a powerful microphone, not as the living embodiment of white America. We know the difference. We also understand that the major reasons Imus eventually lost his job was not because he hurt our feelings, but because he was hurting NBC's pocket once advertisers started pressuring the station to lose him.
Isn't it time the statute of limitations ran out on Farrakhan? The portion of the black American population who are followers of the Nation of Islam's brand of Islam is minute. Most blacks in this country could give two hoots what the man says or thinks. They do give him props for pulling off the Million Man March that's credit where credit is due. But they are hardly looking to Farrakhan for direction on how to vote.
So, as New York Times columnist Clyde Haberman once asked in a column, "Why do so many people -- whites above all -- take as a given that any black public figure, including one with a celebrated mouth like Mr. Sharpton, has to answer for Louis Farrakhan?"
Haberman then went on to ask, "Why, once Mr. Farrakhan's excesses are on the table, do so many black public figures either couch their criticism of him in squishy language or, worse, as with Mr. Sharpton, dismiss them as not so bad?"
Answer to question #1: Maybe it's because some white people will always need black leaders to denounce controversial (read: threatening) figures in order to feel comfortable with the very notion of black leadership.
Answer to question # 2: Maybe black people have a hard time denouncing at the command of whites -- other black people, especially those who despite their worst characteristics, have also done some good for the larger black community.
Haberman asked these questions in a 1997 column. What's sad is that they're still relevant today.
Even when black politicians do agree to denounce Farrakhan, it seems not to be enough. Witness the exchange between Obama, Russert, and Clinton, on Tuesday.
Senator Clinton, who fought her own battles over unsubstantiated charges of anti-Semitism during her 2000 race for U.S. Senate, seemed delighted that Senator Obama was being put in an untenable position. By egging on Mr. Obama to go beyond his comments during the debate and give Farrakhan a complete verbal slap-down, she was calculating the political stakes. She was clearly reaching for the possibility that Obama would be tainted merely because Farrakhan said a few kind words on his behalf.
Perhaps this sounded as old and tired to others as it did to me. Surely voters can be trusted to judge Obama by the content of his character and not Farrakhan's.
Twenty-three years is a long time. Maybe it's time we put the Farrakhan litmus test to rest -- for good.
Came across this a few days ago, older material (A few weeks) but seems quite relevant now.
maximum360
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harSon said:He's written a public statement, publicly denounced and renounced the guys outlandish statements, cut ties with him, and done interviews on almost every major news network. What the fuck do you want the guy to do? :lol
I'm not the one he has to appease, it's the voters. He's got to get the press off his back and deflect all this nonsense. The way to do it is to do as I suggested before.
I think they've done better with handling this than previous issues, but there's much room for improvement.
Deus Ex Machina
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I doubt it. It's up to th media now.maximum360 said:I think they've done better with handling this than previous issues, but there's much room for improvement.
maximum360
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Deus Ex Machina said:I doubt it. It's up to th media now.
They have done better in their response. With other issues they often let things fester for a few days before addressing it.
maximum360 said:They have done better in their response. With other issues they often let things fester for a few days before addressing it.
That's why his interviews and such were really important yestereday before the weekend, then they can't ignore his response to things for a couple days.
maximum360
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Tamanon said:That's why his interviews and such were really important yestereday before the weekend, then they can't ignore his response to things for a couple days.
I think we're going in circles here. I said it was a good thing. However, the way McCain has handled cases like this is better. I think Hillary might have done something similar after the Ferraro fiasco.
Jason's Ultimatum
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I actually heard more sound bits from this guy. Talk about a scary guy. If I were apart of his congregation, I'd leave right away. Same goes for any religious radical.
It's a good thing this man is retiring.
It's a good thing this man is retiring.
artredis1980
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CoolTrick said:Here we go. That's what I was eagerly looking to see.
The polls have begun to shift.
Yesterday, Nationally, Rasmussen had:
Obama: 50
Clinton: 42
Now, it's:
Obama: 46
Clinton: 45.
They noted the unusually sharp change from yesterday.
stop this bullshit, look a week ago and you will see Clinton having the same lead as the above one
Kitschkraft
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artredis1980 said:wrong! it was gallup/CNN which had obama at 50 and clinton at 42, Rasmussen always had Obama and Clinton Close
LMAO...
Either way, the polls probably will shift before long. Obama has frightened white america, this isn't going to be small, EVER, as his supporters, we need to understand that.
stop this bullshit, look a week ago and you will see Clinton having the same lead as the above one
*eyes* I wonder if that MIGHT'VE have something to do with a big PRIMARY win or two.
wrong! it was gallup/CNN which had obama at 50 and clinton at 42, Rasmussen always had Obama and Clinton Close
Uh... it says it right there in their report what they had yesterday.
Jason's Ultimatum said:I actually heard more sound bits from this guy. Talk about a scary guy. If I were apart of his congregation, I'd leave right away. Same goes for any religious radical.
It's a good thing this man is retiring.
You're obviously new to sermons :lol Watch all the televised sermons on Sunday and you'll basically see more of the same. I've personally seen Jeremiah Wright in person while at a family reunion a few years ago and he didn't come off as a 'scary guy'. I think Roland Martin hit it on the head last night, Blacks and Whites are going to interpret these words a lot differently.
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