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Obama's pastor: "God Damn America"
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quest said:
no the truth is obama has to make concessions to be president. theres a lot of truth in what wright said. the ignorance is in using that fact that wright addressed in a little to strongly against obama and the whole church.
and thats the sad part about it. the blacks start acting blacks and whites get all rilled up.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=9Ol_BqU10IM
jesse jackson speech while running for president
quest said:
It's a ridiculous solution. Should I leave my place of work because one of my associates was a 9/11 conspiracy nut that thinks its a Jewish conspiracy? Or my former part-time position in another place comprised entirely of elderly Christians who have some rather unkind and apocalyptic words for certain groups in the Middle-East?
Hell why even go there, my father is a man of many of intellectual vices. Should I stop associating with him?
I'm also reminded of another co-worker who loves Che Gueverra, which obviously offends Cuban sentimentalities with the whole glorifying the dictatorship of Cuba thing. That's yet another person I guess I shouldn't have associated with.
The fact of the matter is, you have to associate with people under the context of the issues involved. If you're not supporting their stances and you firmly reject them, there's no reason you couldn't work with them in a capacity unrelated to their nonsense.
Atrus said:
I love how people try to bring up examples that are not remotely related. Work is completely different as is family. Speaking of family I would not associate with any family member if they joined the klan or similar race hating group. I would leave any club or group that preached the ideals of the KKK or any other racist group. This is a club Obama joined with his own free will.
Branduil said:
Now you're descending into relativism. The point made stands for ANY relationship a person has. It is utterly disingenuous to believe that people will associate only with those they fully agree with.
Should I be culpable for associating with friends that are known to do drugs? In High School I met several people who belonged to Korean and Lebanese gangs, yet we met when I took an Art option. In University I was friends with a South Korean emigrant who I met at the gym who used HGH alongside a lot of other drugs.
Does that mean I support drug use? Does that mean that I couldn't even talk to them or watch them break in the hallways? Or help them with English? Hell, the sheer number of potheads would disqualify a lot of my friends.
This all or nothing approach that's being proposed is illegitimate and it's not even being applied to the three candidates that are in the presidential race, much less people in general.
quest said:
wow so when did a pastor become the whole church.
next if you knew anything about obama you would know his dealings with the church was part of his work as a community organizer. and he was not very religious at the time but the church is a way to help the community.
in time he grew with the congregation as his faith grew. To understand the situation you need all the info. and its obvious many in here have very little info on who obama is and how he got to where he is.
next that still does change the fact that some of the views do not spoil the whole message and inspiration one man can give others. so do bash wright for 2 sermons and hold that against obama is crazy. specially when most of what wright said was very truthfull.
its suppose to be provocative to get you to think. to open your eyes. and that passion goes overboard and into areas it should not at times. any black man knows this is how we are as a passionate people with a painfull past.
once again this should never be an issue in america. but we can't have the blacks being black.
quest said:
Again it's a relativistic standpoint as I addressed in the other post.
Furthermore you are conflating the issue. Obama's church is not analogous to the KKK. Just because a handful of sermons have a vitriolic and antagonistic spin, and the pastor keeps the company of questionable black leaders does not invalidate several decades of work. As far as Obama tells it, this isn't even representative of this pastors sermons at all.
After all, since you seem so upended on this. Tell me what portion of this pastors sermons are characteristic of this type of hate-mongering? Is it the majority? Third? Tenth? 3? Is he like that fool at ATLAH? It seems to me that there are quite a number of facts that do not find their way into this situation, yet are causing people to revile him more than the Evangelical sycophants the Republican party busily rimjobs.
thekad said:
The treasury department released a new multi colored $5 bill today, Ferrara of course spoke out saying that $5 bill would not be where it is today if it was printed on white paper
http://www.bizjournals.com/eastbay/stories/2008/03/10/daily77.html
Absinthe (Permed)
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People can try to downplay this and Obama can denounce this, but the damage is irreversible. This is far worse than anything that has happened in Hilary's campaign, in my opinion, and she's had constant fuck ups. Obama will still secure the nomination, but McCain will not forget about this.
Absinthe said:
what? please. forget about what exactly?
from mcain? really. when he has individuals like hagee and others with very controversial views backing him. please.
once again an agenda. you been saying mcain would win for all kinds of reasons. in fact i recall you saying before march 4th how he had some better chance. just say you wanna see mcain win.
Funky Papa
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This kind of BS wouldn't even be a minor bump in the road if people wouldn't focus so much on religious issues. I personally consider the US an example of separation between church and state right along with France -yet the religious beliefs of the candidates are scrutinized to ridiculous levels.
It's a church. Priests/pastors say stupid shit constantly. Intelligent people ignore the negative remarks in their sermons and carry on with their lives. The media should move on to more important stuff like war, economy and health care.
If people were to judge me for what my school's priest said...
It's a church. Priests/pastors say stupid shit constantly. Intelligent people ignore the negative remarks in their sermons and carry on with their lives. The media should move on to more important stuff like war, economy and health care.
If people were to judge me for what my school's priest said...
Plus McCain already made it clear he doesn't want that to be a direction for the negativity. Especially with the people he has backing him.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=CQquSOnlxJ8
http://youtube.com/watch?v=CQquSOnlxJ8
Absinthe (Permed)
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Lefty42o said:
If Hilary's pastor would have said this then people would be having a fucking cow. But since this forum is such pro-Obama they're giving him a free pass. This is detrimental to his campaign no matter how people want to try to downplay this. There is one thing that you absolutely don't want to be associated with if you're running office and that is anti-American sentiments. "God damn America" is just about as anti-American as it gets. And yes, I fully realize that Obama himself did not utter those words, but most people don't care. A lot of people will equate those words with Obama.
Hagee is particularly important for McCain because the man has an enormous audience and a lot of people really like him. It doesn't matter if his views are controversial because the man didn't say something completely fucking stupid like "God damn America". Obama's pastor is batshit insane and he willingly attends this man's services and calls him his pastor.
Funky Papa said:
:lol good post.
i am telling you. conservatives and those in the anti obama crowd are the only real ones getting wound up. its fucking funny as shit. i have only found 1 person, my father inlaw a hardcore republican, who found offense to the comments.
infact many got a good laugh out of the one sermon where he says hillary clinton aint never been called a nigger.
Absinthe said:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4qNi7tPanUA
hagee says the roman catholic church conspired with audolf hitler to kill the jews. and much more.
next you totally do not understand the definition of damn and the meaning of god damn america.
definition of damn
1: to condemn to a punishment or fate; especially : to condemn to hell
2 a: to condemn vigorously and often irascibly for some real or fancied fault or defect <damned the storm for their delay> b: to condemn as a failure by public criticism
do you question the usa has killed millions of innocent people over the years? they should be damned for their actions. from slavery to treatment of the indians and the blind eye during the holocaust not to mention funding iraq, iran and even osama bin laden himself.
yes god damn america is right.
and finally no hillary would not be held to the same standard just as mcain was and is not. its called being black in america
James Power
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CoolTrick said:
Exactly. To vote for Obama you have to be either dumb or a racist. His "change" doesn't include anything that Clinton campaign doesn't also include. Obama's presidency is nothing but counter-racism from the minorities waiting to happen. People are voting for him because he's black, because there's finally "one of them", because there's finally "a minority in power".
James Power said:
wow. really? that ignorant. i am shocked. you are why this is an issue. you are why once we get to the table you tell us we don't belong.
you sir are a ignorant fool.
and what the fuck is a counter-racism. is that even a fucking word. so if any one votes for barack its cause he is black? and not cause hillary has zero moral character? paid pardons, travel gate, water gate, cattle futures and much more.
what a fucking joke.
Absinthe (Permed)
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Lefty42o said:
Why even bring Hagee into this? I was talking about Obama and Obama's pastor. You know, the man that said damaging remarks that Obama calls his own. It's hilarious that you try to divert the attention away from Obama by bringing Hagee into the picture. How about addressing what Obama's nutjob of a pastor said first and then you can move onto Hagee.
Absinthe said:
casue you said this. when mcains hands are not so clean on this same issue.
Absinthe said:
no i do not think the remarks were damning to obama cause he repudiated them.(even though i think he should not have but understand why he did. i to have had to "whiten" myself up for a job.
i didn't divert anything away from obama. i spent 1 line on a post about hagee. the other 10 lines were all obama.
Lefty42o said:
James Power
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Lefty42o said:
No, I belong to the very few who dare to be honest. Minorities and black people in particular are voting for Obama out of the sheer principle that he's black. Period. He's their cure to their imaginary discrimination by white people. This is sick and so fucking racist yet excepted by the majority of the guilt ridden white population. The fact of the matter that his race plays such a major role in this whole campaign is nothing but an insult. Obama is black so he can afford to have no actual plans but only promise "change". That's all he's selling and that's what all the people want to buy.
I'll give you a reality check: In case Obama becomes president people will be so excited and will be so looking forward to change they'll probably hold their collective breath.
Guess what. Nothing will happen. Nothing will change, nothing relevant anyway, because most people are not aware of what kind of power a president holds over his country anyway. There will be small things he can influence, maybe even the health care system in a couple of years and if he gets re-elected. But the kind of empty change he plays with right now simply cannot happen and that'll be the point when his unconditional fans will realize their delusion.
Absinthe (Permed)
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James Power said:
I absolutely agree.
Edit: Actually, I agree with you, but not necessarily about all minorities. I recall Hilary receiving a ton of the votes from Hispanics. But yes, I do think that a lot of black people are voting for Obama based solely on the principle that he is black.
Actually Hillary was getting a fair portion of the Black vote until people from her campaign started acting like asses.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/17/poll.blacks.democrats/index.html
http://skepticalbrotha.wordpress.com/2007/01/25/hillary-leads-obama-among-black-voters/
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/17/poll.blacks.democrats/index.html
http://skepticalbrotha.wordpress.com/2007/01/25/hillary-leads-obama-among-black-voters/
James Power said:
so i am voting for obama cause he is black? not because of the race baiting from hillary? not cause of her past including the actions of her husband in his presidency? not all hillary's scandals? Not triangulation that destroyed our majorities in congress? not to mention the war vote and mandates. and i could go on and on.
man denial is more than a river in egybt.
maybe if you was less ignorant you would open your own eyes and see that once was a 40-45 percent black vote for hillary and a 20 point national lead shriveled do to her own race baiting and incompetent campaign.
i get it. when he wins its casue of his race and nothing else. got it.
i forgot my place masta. I be a good house negro
Absinthe (Permed)
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Lefty42o said:
Your last sentence is completely uncalled for and it accomplished nothing. I would also advise you to quit throwing around the term "ignorance" so liberally when you misspelled Egypt and said quote, "If you was less ignorant..."
Imaginary discrimination by white people? Are you serious?
When an employer would rather have a white convict than a black college graduate with no criminal history as a employee, there's nothing imaginary about that. The list goes on and on for thousands of miles on what some white people do to keep others down. Than again, i suppose black people being thrown in jail for a crime a white person would've just gotten a slap on the wrist for is just a figment of the imagination (looks at U.S prison population.......yeah, no).
Is race a factor in this presidency, of course it is. But dont act like all black people and some minorites are super ignorant people and just voting for obama because of his skin color.
When an employer would rather have a white convict than a black college graduate with no criminal history as a employee, there's nothing imaginary about that. The list goes on and on for thousands of miles on what some white people do to keep others down. Than again, i suppose black people being thrown in jail for a crime a white person would've just gotten a slap on the wrist for is just a figment of the imagination (looks at U.S prison population.......yeah, no).
Is race a factor in this presidency, of course it is. But dont act like all black people and some minorites are super ignorant people and just voting for obama because of his skin color.
Absinthe said:
thank you for pointing out my own ignorance in my spelling . its 8 am and i have yet to be to bed. long night.
next my last line was very appropriate. from the hate you 2 are spewing. i forgot my place. i thought we was past alot of this ignorance.
we are no longer field negroes we are now house negroes. we can vote and pretend to run for office but when it comes time to decide the highest office we need to fall inline or we are delusional?
it doesn't change. we was also to ignorant when jesse jackson ran. guess us blacks will never know.
oh great masta show us house negroes our way home
Bolded part is ridiculous. The rest is too, but only slightly less. Obama's given lots of details on his plans. Just look here:James Power said:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
Don't blindly buy into the talking points.
jehuty said:
Hillary usually gets about the same percentage of the white vote that Obama gets from blacks too. Guess that means she's lucky to be white. She also usually leads in women too. Guess that means she's lucky to be a women. She also gets the a bigger portion of the Hispanic vote. Guess that means she's lucky that a good portion of Hispanics don't get along with African Americans huh.
FightyF said:
oh well there it is now. :lol
Mr. Obama is doing a great job threading a very small needle between race, class and geography. Personally, at first, I didn't think he'd be able to do it. It's something no leader of color has been able to accomplish yet. But if you expect him to be colorless to the point of disavowing the very real emotions and angst that still persist within the community that gave him the inspiration to even become a candidate, then I'd expect your vehement denouncement of the candidate and his pastor. For better or for worse, Jeremiah Wright is part of the diverse black community, just as Pat Robertson may be part of yours. Decide whether you can live with that and whether you trust Obama to be a president for all of America and let's move on. Don't make us dance for it.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/raymond-leon-roker/guess-whos-coming-to-din_b_91666.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/raymond-leon-roker/guess-whos-coming-to-din_b_91666.html
HocusPocus
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You can't spin this. It's bad for him, and it's really playing against him big time. I've heard people talking about this that don't even follow politics. He made a decision to join a church where the pastor preached hate. Glad I'm not a democrat, because I'd hate to have to spin that.
andthebeatgoeson
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That's funny. Because as the frontrunner now, when he wasn't the frontrunner 6 months ago, I kinda attribute that to him doing something. It's not like Black people are in a higher position now and Obama benefitted from that. He owes alot to his gender no more than Hilary. When people attribute Obama's race for the place he is in, it kinda ignores his campaign and the way he is running it.CoolTrick said:
He is in an enviable position. He doesn't and hasn't had to really expound on his beliefs because of the message of hope. I'm not sure when a message of hope from a black guy has ever comforted and excited the American people in the past 20 years. But if you want to keep giving his race the credit, I guess that makes sense.
He hit at the right time: Just when everybody is fucking tired of Bush and his shit. Same way Bush benefitted from Clinton. He has overcome quite a bit that leads me to believe it's actually skill and determination, not race, that has led him this far. He was not the frontrunner, did not have the financial backing (remember, Hilary was the one collecting 30 million dollar checks a month in the beginning. You are trying to say Obama's blackness led people to give him money? Why, did he have a gun?), had the air of 'just another black guy running when he started.
Did anybody give him credit in the initial portions of his campaign? Did anybody predict his steamrolling Hilary in so many states? Is this another episode of retrospective change? Obama changed all of these major issues, inspires millions of people and I feel like race is the last thing on the list. Bush's legacy, his message and skill at the campaign level are larger issues/benefits for Obama.
artredis1980
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This will not hurt Obama because:
1. He has apologized on his campaigns behalf and strongly condemned and rejected the pastors remarks on CNN, PBS, MSNBC and even Fox news where he has NEVER made an appearance in the campaign
2. This happened 6 weeks before Pennsylvania and people will forget this issue unlike Hillary's racial tirades for which she did not back away for a long long long time
3. The pastor has quit the Obama committee. Its similiar to when McCain condemned the radio host immediately after he repeated Barack 'Hussein' Obama
1. He has apologized on his campaigns behalf and strongly condemned and rejected the pastors remarks on CNN, PBS, MSNBC and even Fox news where he has NEVER made an appearance in the campaign
2. This happened 6 weeks before Pennsylvania and people will forget this issue unlike Hillary's racial tirades for which she did not back away for a long long long time
3. The pastor has quit the Obama committee. Its similiar to when McCain condemned the radio host immediately after he repeated Barack 'Hussein' Obama
artredis1980
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HocusPocus said:
who is spinning this. he has rejected the comments and said if he had heard them repeated ( as in the first ones were a mistake) then he would have quit the church - Fox News
So Barack donated $22,000 dollars to this man's church, had his children baptized by this black Hitler. His pastor also goes to Tripoli and and meets up with Khadhafi along w/ his racist buddy Louis Farakkhan and we're supposed to believe that Barack visits this church only to listen to messages of hope, change and feeding the poor? Are you people crazy?
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