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Obama's pastor: "God Damn America"

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typhonsentra said:
I understand why he did it, don't get me wrong. It's just I was always impressed with how open he was to criticism as to allow people to automatically post, especially with the juxtaposition of how the Clinton camp handles their Youtube channel. Lately he's tightened down a lot, some videos don't (Or didn't when posted) allow any comments at all.
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This isn't a sign of not being open to criticism - it's a sign of not wanting to create an open forum for hate-mongering (you know hillaryis44 would be all over those videos).
 
I'm gonna have to use some Hillary language here for some B. Obama supporters, GET REAL. Barack is being vetted and the moisture behind his and his campaign ear is showing. He needs to develop some political courage. This so-called "NEW POLITICS" has a very familiar stench of the old.

Barack needs to get some political balls. He has command of the English language, but he is afraid to get off message.
 
mckmas8808 said:
It's the reason why he didn't leave the church last year. That's the point.
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You can look at it that way.

Or you can look at it as "Yeah, he said this stuff. But, he's retired. So, let's just sweep this all under the rug."
 
One good sign for him is that the coverage hasn't hurt his polling against Hillary so far. McCain is making gains but that's far enough off he can easily repair his image among the general public, assuming it was affected by this mini-scandal.
 
siamesedreamer said:
You can look at it that way.

Or you can look at it as "Yeah, he said this stuff. But, he's retired. So, let's just sweep this all under the rug."
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It would be ridiculous to leave a church that you have been at for 20 years over someone who isn't going to be there much longer anyway. That's the point. He's not sweeping things under the rug as it's not the first time he's responded to the issue. It's just not really worth doing anything about at this point because the man isn't really a player in the field anymore.
 
typhonsentra said:
One good sign for him is that the coverage hasn't hurt his polling against Hillary so far. McCain is making gains but that's far enough off he can easily repair his image among the general public, assuming it was affected by this mini-scandal.
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There's no repairing anything, he attended those surmons for YEARS, you can BET Hilldawg will use this to attach him like CRAZY. He need to condemn his own pastor before this starts doing serious damage to his campaign.
 
WHOAguitarninja said:
It would be ridiculous to leave a church that you have been at for 20 years over someone who isn't going to be there much longer anyway.
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But, that assumes he's telling the truth when he stated he never heard of Wright saying these things until right before his campaign started. Rezko proves he has problems with telling the truth. How blind can Obamaniacs really be?
 
Kittonwy said:
There's no repairing anything, he attended those surmons for YEARS, you can BET Hilldawg will use this to attach him like CRAZY. He need to condemn his own pastor before this starts doing serious damage to his campaign.
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This I do not agree with. Their is no condemnation needed what so ever. He needs to show some political courage and in this case loyalty, just as John McCain has done. He will take a hit short term, but he will gain respect in the long run. People value loyalty, i.e. thats my friend or my family and even if he is wrong I love him. Loyalty, it is as american as apple pie.
 
siamesedreamer said:
But, that assumes he's telling the truth when he stated he never heard of Wright saying these things until right before his campaign started. Rezko proves he has problems with telling the truth. How blind can Obamaniacs really be?
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What exactly has he lied about?
 
siamesedreamer said:
But, that assumes he's telling the truth when he stated he never heard of Wright saying these things until right before his campaign started. Rezko proves he has problems with telling the truth. How blind can Obamaniacs really be?
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Thats a nothing issue, politics have dirty hands. When a youngster comes up in politics, he needs a financial backer. All he has to do is show for those donations, he offered no favors. All politicians have a Rezko in their past, just like McCain has "The Keating 5" and H. Clinton has White Water. No clean hands anywhere, the problem would be did Rezko benefit from those donations.

Politics or Politricks is synonymous with lying, their are no clean hands, just make sure your hands are not completely filthy.
 
One good sign for him is that the coverage hasn't hurt his polling against Hillary so far.
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We'll see the full effects of Obama's pastor's remarks in the next 1-2-3 days.

But ultimately, to say this won't impact the voters I think would be a big mistake. It definitely will have its impact.
 
gluv65 said:
This I do not agree with. Their is no condemnation needed what so ever. He needs to show some political courage and in this case loyalty, just as John McCain has done. He will take a hit short term, but he will gain respect in the long run. People value loyalty, i.e. thats my friend or my family and even if he is wrong I love him. Loyalty, it is as american as apple pie.
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The problem is he didn't really defend his pastor but he didn't really condemn him, it was kind of wishy-washy, he needs to be more decisive.
 
siamesedreamer said:
That's way old. From today:



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What's your point? Do you have some proof that Obama knew that he'd be indicted when he accepted that money? Rezko gave a lot of money to different politicians. It's a great way to wash dirty money and get a tax break.

Plus Obama himself is the one disclosing the information. If I remember right his denials had to deal with this campaign.
 
CoolTrick said:
We'll see the full effects of Obama's pastor's remarks in the next 1-2-3 days.

But ultimately, to say this won't impact the voters I think would be a big mistake. It definitely will have its impact.
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You hope!
 
siamesedreamer said:
That's the point. He slowly continues to leak new info that shows deeper and deeper ties to Rezko. Why didn't he come clean the first time?
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Lets put it this way. Rezko, gives Politician A 1,000,000 dollars. Rezko, gives that same politician property below what the market demands. It looks fishy on the surface and perhaps illegal. Now with those favors being granted, besides access to the politician, what favors has Rezko gotten for his efforts? If the question is nothing, then he is just a donator and a friend. If more like some shady cutting of the corners or implementing a bill that is earmarked with projects that keeps Rezko relevant or his people then we have a problem.
 
You hope!
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You can already see the effects occuring if you look kind of around the big picture. For example, there was a not widely publicized article about Obama allaying Jewish voters' concerns. You also see many negative Obama postings at Politico, which I think is one of the most slanted Obama big websites out there. The fact that the Pennsylvania polls haven't changed at all since a week ago.
 
AmishNazi said:
That's mainly why I support anyone with the balls to actually put a critical eye on what we ourselves our doing as a country. The way these guys act towards muslims is certainly not Christian in the sense that I got from the bible. The bible is all about leading by example, not force. Plus judging others is a major no no. God is the only one that's supposed to judge. Fucking lot of hypocrites. Mainly why I stopped going to church. Great book good ideals horrible execution.
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speculawyer said:
Yeah, the Jesus I was taught about is very different than the Jesus the Christian-right seems to worship. I was told Jesus was the "Prince of peace", you should 'turn the other cheek', 'love your enemy', help the poor, etc. The Christian-right Jesus is the one from Revelations where he's got the big sword sticking out of his mouth and he's all about killing.
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This is something I've been thinking a lot about. The "Christian right" seems to be anything but Christian.

This country is just messed up on so many levels, holy cow!
 
CoolTrick said:
You can already see the effects occuring if you look kind of around the big picture. For example, there was a not widely publicized article about Obama allaying Jewish voters' concerns. You also see many negative Obama postings at Politico, which I think is one of the most slanted Obama big websites out there. The fact that the Pennsylvania polls haven't changed at all since a week ago.
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Er, Politico, at least Ben Smith, the guy who does the Dem blog is pretty pro-Hillary:P
 
Kittonwy said:
The problem is he didn't really defend his pastor but he didn't really condemn him, it was kind of wishy-washy, he needs to be more decisive.
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He did defend both Wright's long record as a pastor and the Trinity United Church - and definitively denounced Wright's angry screeds 10 times or on CNN alone. What do people really expect him to do? Condemn the man? He's been close to him for 20 years, and they disagree on things. Wright's words aren't descriptive of Obama's record or campaign in any way.

I also think it was pretty damn wise for Obama to face this head on and point out that that anger and those feelings are real in the AA community, and they are something we as a nation do have to deal with. And the way to deal with that anger is to recognize it, and try to move past it.

It'll still hurts him no doubt, especially with the knee-jerk flag lapel pin crowd, but for some reason I doubt it'll get much worse than it is at this point right now. Wright's worst words seem to be out there all across cable news and YouTube for all to see. All he can do is denounce the words, leave Wright out of his campaign and move the hell on.
 
Er, Politico, at least Ben Smith, the guy who does the Dem blog is pretty pro-Hillary:P
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That may be, but Politico as a whole, from what I've seen, is majorly majorly pro Obama. I stopped reading articles from there a long time ago because I felt they were so slanted.
 
What do people really expect him to do? Condemn the man? He's been close to him for 20 years, and they disagree on things. Wright's words aren't descriptive of Obama's record or campaign in any way.
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Personally, I understand this, and Obama's message today was a lot better.

But initially, I thought Obama's handling of these comments was absolutely outrageous. "He's like an old uncle -- just says some crazy things sometimes! We all know someone like that!" "I disagree with some of his views." "I've never heard about any of this until just recently."

Like what the fuck?
 
gluv65 said:
If the question is nothing, then he is just a donator and a friend. If more like some shady cutting of the corners or implementing a bill that is earmarked with projects that keeps Rezko relevant or his people then we have a problem.
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Its pretty clear the seeds of influence were being laid. But, given that Rezko was indicted and Obama launched a presidential bid much quicker than was generally expected, that influence likely never saw the light of day (or was very minimal).

With Obama's continued lying about how deep the rabbit hole actually goes (most likely due to embarrasment over any connection to the guy), it gives the appearance of something much more substantial being there.
 
Hannity: Jay-Z has made songs saying that he, and I quote, "got 99 problems, but a bitch ain't one". Do you agree with his harsh language, Senator Obama?

Obama: I categorically denounce and reject such statements. I'm running for President of the USA to help solve the problems facing *all* American people - including the bitches.

Hannity: This Jay-Z character has also said, and I quote, "Let me tell you dudes what I do to protect this/shoot at you actors like movie directors". He seems to advocate violence towards anyone that questions him. How do you feel about that, Senator Obama?

Obama: Well, Hannity, Jay-Z is kinda like a reckless little brother. I may not agree with everything he says, but I love him, and I hope to eventually guide him down the right path. I do not, and will not, support any act of violence against those that criticize me, as this is a country built upon a free exchange of ideas. But I must be forthright with the American people, in the interest of full disclosure and transparency - that Jay-Z shit be banging.
 
CoolTrick said:
Personally, I understand this, and Obama's message today was a lot better.

But initially, I thought Obama's handling of these comments was absolutely outrageous. "He's like an old uncle -- just says some crazy things sometimes! We all know someone like that!" "I disagree with some of his views." "I've never heard about any of this until just recently."

Like what the fuck?
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My gut feeling on that is along the same lines - with the caveat that maybe Obama didn't know he was preaching sermons on that stuff so vehemently - but yeah, sure, it does seem weird for him to give the impression he didn't know that Wright held those views.

I dunno - like somebody mentioned above - I DO have those crazy uncles. Hell my mom almost disowned me when I showed her my ACLU card. And she likes to call the Democrats "Al Queda Enablers", myself included. She's batshit nuts into conservative radio, and I love the lady, we just disagree with most things political. But we actually had a long talk about Obama a couple of months ago, and I shit you not, she actually voted for Obama here in California. I was flabbergasted. I guess my point is - shit happens. I'm not about to disown my mother for thinking all kinds of crazy shit.
 
gluv65 said:
Lets put it this way. Rezko, gives Politician A 1,000,000 dollars. Rezko, gives that same politician property below what the market demands. It looks fishy on the surface and perhaps illegal. Now with those favors being granted, besides access to the politician, what favors has Rezko gotten for his efforts? If the question is nothing, then he is just a donator and a friend. If more like some shady cutting of the corners or implementing a bill that is earmarked with projects that keeps Rezko relevant or his people then we have a problem.
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damn get you facts straight.

1. he paid above market value for the land. He bout 1/10th the land and paid 1/10th the amount rezko paid for it. obama got no breaks on the home or the price of the land period.

2. obama did no favors for rezko. no legislation ever effected him or anything. this has been looked thru tons of times. making up assumptions is bs.


3. you do realize that hillary is in the same boat with rezko. he has rasied tons of money for her and bill.

4.obama released every earmark he made. go thru it. find a rezko link. you won't.

but if you don't even know the facts how can you even talk like your an expert?
 
siamesedreamer said:
Its pretty clear the seeds of influence were being laid. But, given that Rezko was indicted and Obama launched a presidential bid much quicker than was generally expected, that influence likely never saw the light of day (or was very minimal).

With Obama's continued lying about how deep the rabbit hole actually goes (most likely due to embarrasment over any connection to the guy), it gives the appearance of something much more substantial being there.
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Again, with no further proof, he was just a high priced donator, in the same vein as Katzenberg or Geffen. Obama's message appeals to their inner angel that we all deserve a chance.
 
CoolTrick said:
Personally, I understand this, and Obama's message today was a lot better.

But initially, I thought Obama's handling of these comments was absolutely outrageous. "He's like an old uncle -- just says some crazy things sometimes! We all know someone like that!" "I disagree with some of his views." "I've never heard about any of this until just recently."

Like what the fuck?
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and what was the problem with what he said?
 
What a clusterfuck the media has become, focusing its reporting on the most assinine, most irrelevant, and most superficial things. I mean, REALLY? Is this REALLY relevant?

Yes, it wasnt the best choice of words, but in context its a logical argument, and certainly not something that has any bearing on Obama. HEY LOOK OBAMA HATES AMERICA! LETS MAKE IT A BIG CONTROVERSY NOW! RATINGS!

I think someone can find something offensive in the speeches of every fucking preacher, from every religion on the planet. I tend to agree with 90% of what my preacher says, and disagree with the rest. I think thats a good ratio, and Im not naive enough to think that it can get much higher if I looked elsewhere. For Obama to be hung by a few words that the preacher at his church said, several years ago, in a sermon Obama wasnt even attending, and didnt condone, and which include comments which aren't that mind blowing for a reasonable person when taken in context is just absurd, but of course par for the course in this clusterfuck of media priorities.
 
Slurpy said:
What a clusterfuck the media has become, focusing its reporting on the most assinine, most irrelevant, and most superficial things. I mean, REALLY? Is this REALLY relevant?

Yes, it wasnt the best choice of words, but in context its a logical argument, and certainly not something that has any bearing on Obama. HEY LOOK OBAMA HATES AMERICA! LETS MAKE IT A BIG CONTROVERSY NOW! RATINGS!

I think someone can find something offensive in the speeches of every fucking preacher, from every religion on the planet. I tend to agree with 90% of what my preacher says, and disagree with the rest. I think thats a good ratio, and Im not naive enough to think that it can get much higher if I looked elsewhere. For Obama to be hung by a few words that the preacher at his church said, several years ago, in a sermon Obama wasnt even attending, and which include comments which aren't that mind blowing when taken in context is just absurd, but of course par for the course in this clusterfuck of media priorities.
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qft.


i also love some of these young white boys in here who are offended by what we blacks be saying in church.

yes jesus was black biatch :D


edit : and some of yall was wondering why he skipped the state of the black union. its cause of this shit right here. whites are scared of a black man being black :lol
 
CoolTrick said:
That may be, but Politico as a whole, from what I've seen, is majorly majorly pro Obama. I stopped reading articles from there a long time ago because I felt they were so slanted.
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They're 'slanted' because they don't shill for the candidate of your choice. That, in all probability, makes you slanted, not the articles. If you were honest with yourself, you'd agree.
 
REALLY? Is this REALLY relevant?
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Hell to the fucking you better believe it is -- and to millions of people, too.

For Obama to be hung by a few words that the preacher at his church said, several years ago, in a sermon Obama wasnt even attending,
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What are you, his fucking PR?
 
That, in all probability, makes you slanted, not the articles. If you were honest with yourself, you'd agree.
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:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol Says you who believes Obama's 20 year commitment to a hateful, bigoted pastor and a church who awards Radical Islamic preachers is "assinine, irrelevant, and superficial." Who the hell are you to talk about slanted?
 
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