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Obama's pastor: "God Damn America"
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miketrav87
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:lol umm actually he was part of the campaign. But after this came out, he isn't. So you proved our point.
miketrav87 said:
To not question the country you live in's actions is far more worse of a crime. Just ask the German people how they felt after WWII. This shit is scary. You can't say anything bad about the government without getting a discrediting label applied to you. That's fucking fascism. Sad thing is that it's not even coming from the government anymore. They have us pitted against each other now.
I'm assuming saying God should damn America means God should, in fact, damn America. Not, you know, bless it or something positive like that. Which is why--contrary to the America-damning, race-baiting people in this thread who actually support the idea--Obama found those remarks so disturbing he needed to canvas the country condemning them.
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miketrav87 said:
what did he do for the campaign?
and this came out.. oh. quite a while ago. why is it such an issue now?
answer: to deflect all the negative press about Geraldine Ferraro. maybe even validate her words in the eyes of others?
notice how the geraldine ferraro shit stopped when she left hillary's campaign. why hasnt this stopped?
Again, you find yourself quite far apart from Obama, while I'm defending him and his perspective. Maybe you need to get some. Perspective, that is.Lefty42o said:
edit: my ancestral people, from all sides, have been exposed to genocide, pillage, famine, slavery, and the worst aspects of human behavior. Speak for your own ignorance, don't presume to understand my history or my ancestry.
kame-sennin
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miketrav87 said:
Not if they're accurate. This tit for tat bullshit needs to stop. Not every situation can be reversed and treated the same way. This pastor had a legitimate point about the U.S., and it's not his (or Obama's) fault that it gives people the vapors. If someone had a legitimate criticism of black America, I'd be defending it as well (Bill Cosby anyone?).
miketrav87
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The public didn't until now so...I suppose the public thinks it's a big deal? I dunno...I guess I do too.
miketrav87
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If a white guy were to make the same comments as passionately and strongly as Bill Cosby about 'black America' would you support that guy?
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miketrav87 said:
the public knew. obama had already issued an apology when it first came to light.
dont you find the timing of this quite suspect?
and the public doesnt control the media.
miketrav87 said:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=92-r05TH9qs&feature=related
So was MLK a racist too? Granted the language was cleaner, but it's basically the same idea.
kame-sennin
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miketrav87 said:
Assuming he didn't drop the 'N' bomb, and showed he had an understanding of the positive elements of the black community as well, I would at least support his right to say what he said. I probably wouldn't like him as a person though.
Edit: For example, I thought what Hillary said about LBJ and MLK was pretty shitty, but I don't think she's a racist, and what she said was accurate (though shitty).
Mr. Mister
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:lolAPF said:
As if you know what its like to be black in america because of your families past.
MLK ripping the government a new one. Even comparing America to Nazi Germany.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=KlM87dwYPjg
http://youtube.com/watch?v=KlM87dwYPjg
miketrav87
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Honestly, those comments don't scare me at all. Not in the historical context of what he's talking about. Which makes the contrast all the more stark. Things are MUCH better today then they were when those comments were made, and yet even those comments were not NEARLY as extreme. Kind of interesting actually, thanks for pointing that out. Heh...kinda reinforces my opinion even more.
APF said:
i aint obama and you have not answered the question.
age and whats this ancestry that has given you a better perspective than me as being a black man in america?
i earned the right to wear my race on my sleeve thru my experiences growing up in this world. how many times did you get spit on cause you was black?
miketrav87
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So are you basically searching youtube for anything extreme MLK might have said? :lol Might have thought you could do better.
miketrav87
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holy shit lefty, you put a LOT of words in my mouth. How in the world did I act as if all black americans are anti-white. What??
miketrav87 said:
Well you don't compare a country you love to Nazi Germany do you?
miketrav87 said:
They don't scare you now. They terrified white America then. Enough to kill him. Not that white America killed him, just put enough fear in the populace to scare someone into a cowardly act.
Why did your grammar change when you started talking about how self-righteously black you are?
Edit: you may not be Obama, but you say you're a part of his campaign. Your divisive rhetoric, trying to split blacks and whites, runs directly contrary to a core principle of his philosophy, and of his campaign. I think perhaps you should stop and think about what it is you actually value, on a core-principle level; I think perhaps you might find you'd prefer to find commonalities rather than sew division, but perhaps I am unfortunately quite wrong on this point.
Edit: you may not be Obama, but you say you're a part of his campaign. Your divisive rhetoric, trying to split blacks and whites, runs directly contrary to a core principle of his philosophy, and of his campaign. I think perhaps you should stop and think about what it is you actually value, on a core-principle level; I think perhaps you might find you'd prefer to find commonalities rather than sew division, but perhaps I am unfortunately quite wrong on this point.
kame-sennin
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miketrav87 said:
He's pointing out how decent, patriotic people can say harsh, unpleasant things about a country without being considered Anti-American in the lens of history. You, on the other hand, are jumping from one argument to the next, searching for a way to discredit the comments of this pastor out of hand, without actually answering the substantiative retorts being presented to you.
Mr. Mister
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APF said:
grasping, give it up.
CounterSeal
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I don't think this would, or at least should hurt Obama's campaign negatively. Unless I, once again overestimate the IQ of the average American.
miketrav87
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Lefty42o said:
I don't get this.
kame-sennin
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Lefty42o said:
If you continue down this path, you will probably be banned. Also
don't argue with APF
miketrav87
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Slurpy said:
Well, personally, it causes me not to support or vote for anyone who was an active member of the congregation.
kame-sennin said:
for what? asking him if he has ever had to endure what its like being black in america.
than let them ban me. after some of the posts i have read in this thread the past 2 days i could care less bout gaf.
APF said:
please show me where i said that? next it doesn't confuse me i just don't believe shit you say.
kame-sennin
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Lefty42o said:
Just speaking from experience.
XxenobladerxX
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*rolls his motherfucking eyes*ari said:
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