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Official 2007 Auto Racing thread (F1, Moto GP, WRC, NASCAR, etc)

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Big Takeover

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chickensoup said:
The circuit layout is here, although I've got no idea where the Marina is in relation to anywhere else in Singapore.
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Wow, that looks great, and lengthy too.

Long Beach - 3.17 km
Monaco - 3.34 km
Singapore - 5.06 km
Macau - 6.11 km
 
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Mama Smurf

My penis is still intact.
I look forward to that night race, sounds cool.

Hamilton has left Britain! He's decided to go live in Switzerland, because he's fed up of the media and public attention over here, and he doesn't get that in Switzerland.

Now...come on Lewis. Tell the truth. I imagine the intrusion on your life is pretty crappy, so you might well want to leave the UK, but you didn't choose Switzerland specifically because people don't come up to you there. It's the taxes. You know it, we know it, everbody over 5 knows it, you might as well just say it.
 
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megateto

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Mama Smurf said:
I look forward to that night race, sounds cool.

Hamilton has left Britain! He's decided to go live in Switzerland, because he's fed up of the media and public attention over here, and he doesn't get that in Switzerland.

Now...come on Lewis. Tell the truth. I imagine the intrusion on your life is pretty crappy, so you might well want to leave the UK, but you didn't choose Switzerland specifically because people don't come up to you there. It's the taxes. You know it, we know it, everbody over 5 knows it, you might as well just say it.
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Maybe he just wants to be closer to his just newfound friend, Fernando Alonso.
 
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The Spacepope

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Interesting.
Maybe we'll see Alonso back at Renault, with Heikki heading to Mclaren, and Piquet Jr taking up the other vacated position (I hope and think that Fisichella won't return).
 
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jey_16

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everybody is talking about Alonso signing a one year deal with some other team (probably Williams or Red Bull) and then going to Ferrari in 2009

but Kimi is contracted until the end of 2009 and Massa until the end of 2010, so unless i am missing something, he would have to wait 2 years right?
 
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chickensoup

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Lakitu said:
Hmmm that is actually likely to happen as I heard on Five live. :(
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Some websites are reporting that Alonso has a clause in his contract preventing him from going to a manufacturer team, making Red Bull a real possibility. And when you consider that next year will see the first proper Adrian Newey design, it could be an interesting choice.
 
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Shinobi

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Red Bull was looking pretty damn good the last few months of the season. And anywhere Alonso has been, the car has shown tremendous improvement. There are far worst teams for him to end up at.
 
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Shinobi

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Yeah, I'd defintely make Renault the favourite...if that can't be worked out (and I think it will be), then Red Bull would be a solid fall back option.
 
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celestial body

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Rumours are that Massa's contract has an easy get out after 1 year, either they can move him to another team or buy out easily. On the other hand Massa is rewarded with a bigger salary and a chance to win the WDC again next year. Only rumours mind.

Thing with Renault is that I don't think Alonso wants to go there. The Renault team would certainly like it, they've been sucking up to him very embarassingly.
 
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Lakitu

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It looks like Nico Rosberg (along with Kazuki Nakajima) will still be racing for Williams next year. Very good for Williams.
 
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Shinobi

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Renault summoned over 'spy' charges
Thursday, 08, November, 2007, 13:38


The FIA has summoned representatives of the Renault F1 team to answer charges of possessing confidential McLaren information, as a new spying scandal threatened to engulf the sport on Thursday.

Two months after McLaren was disqualified from the 2007 constructors' championship and fined up to $US100m when its staff were found of having secret Ferrari technical documents, the governing body has turned its attention to the team which won both titles in 2005 and 2006 with Fernando Alonso and leads the chase to re-sign the uncontracted Spaniard.

"Representatives of the Renault F1 Team have been requested to appear before a hearing of the FIA World Motor Sport Council in Monaco on Thursday, December 6, 2007," read an FIA statement.

"The team representatives have been called to answer a charge that between September 2006 and October 2007, in breach of Article 151c of the International Sporting Code, the Renault F1 Team had unauthorised possession of documents and confidential information belonging to Vodafone McLaren Mercedes," the statement continued.

"Including, but not limited to the layout and critical dimensions of the McLaren F1 car, together with details of the McLaren fuelling system, gear assembly, oil cooling system, hydraulic control system and a novel suspension component used by the 2006 and 2007 McLaren F1 cars."

McLaren lawyers informed the FIA that Renault had the information during the September 'Spygate' hearings, but Flavio Briatore publicly denied his team had done anything wrong.

“First, if somebody tells me it’s the same [as McLaren's situation], I sue somebody, quickly,” he said in the FIA press conference during the Belgian Grand Prix.

“Second, it’s not an investigation regarding myself and the team.

“Third, we give all the information to the Federation, at least when we found out something, and this is it.

“And I give the evidence as well to McLaren.”
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http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=41257


Renault seeks to clarify 'spy' allegations
Friday, 09, November, 2007, 15:54


Renault has denied any wrong-doing in the latest spy scandal to rock Formula 1 and has moved to clarify its role in the controversy surrounding its FIA summons to explain charges of possessing confidential McLaren intellectual property.

In a statement released Friday, the team admits that McLaren proprietary information was brought into the team by former McLaren engineer Phil Mackereth when he joined Renault in September 2006, but vehemently denies using the information on its 2006 or 2007 race cars.

The team claims that as soon as senior management were made aware of Mackereth's actions, a year after hiring him, it launched an immediate investigation into the matter and suspended the engineer from his post.

The team admits that the McLaren engineering drawings and technical spreadsheets, contained on 'old-style floppy disks', were uploaded onto Mackereth's computer but that it was done without the knowledge of senior management.

"Our formal investigation showed that early in his employment with Renault Mr Mackereth made some of our engineers aware of parts of this information in the form of a few reduced scale engineering drawings," added the statement.

"These drawings covered four basic systems as used by McLaren and were: the internal layout of the fuel tank, the basic layout of the gear clusters, a tuned mass damper and a suspension damper.

"Subsequent witness statements from the engineers involved have categorically stated that having been briefly shown these drawings, none of this information was used to influence design decisions relating to the Renault car.

"In the particular case of the tuned mass damper, these had already been deemed illegal by the FIA and therefore the drawing was of no value."

Renault claims to have kept both McLaren and the FIA fully informed of its investigation, cleansed its team's computers systems of the relevant information and impounded the disks with its solicitors for return to McLaren.

"Renault F1 have co-operated fully with McLaren and the FIA in this matter to the extent that the team has invited McLaren's independent experts to come and assess the team's computer systems and inspect the cars and the design records, to demonstrate that this unfortunate incident has not in anyway influenced the design of the cars," read the statement.

"Renault F1 have acted with complete transparency towards McLaren and the FIA, being proactive in solving this matter and we are fully confident in the judgment of the World Council."

Read the full Renault F1 statement here.
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http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=41263

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
 
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jey_16

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Ross Brawn is the new boss at Honda while Jean Todt has been replaced by Stefano Domenicali

i think Ferrari would have really wanted Brawn but maybe he didn't want to go back

maybe he wants a challenge at Honda :lol
 
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jey_16 said:
Ross Brawn is the new boss at Honda while Jean Todt has been replaced by Stefano Domenicali

i think Ferrari would have really wanted Brawn but maybe he didn't want to go back

maybe he wants a challenge at Honda :lol
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I know your trying to be funny, but I really think that's what he wants. It can't be fun to work with a company that is winning all the time. I think when you are at the top of your game, you are always looking for new challenges...oh and I'm sure Honda is paying him a shit load of cash.
 
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Wes

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Honda will be one of the best manufacturers in a couple of years time (I hope!). Getting Brawn is a good move.
 
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jey_16

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I know your trying to be funny, but I really think that's what he wants. It can't be fun to work with a company that is winning all the time. I think when you are at the top of your game, you are always looking for new challenges...oh and I'm sure Honda is paying him a shit load of cash.
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no i agree, he probably wants a challenge plus Honda being based in England probably helps his family life as well

hopefully Honda are good next year because i would love to see more teams winning races which i think might happen with TC gone, might throw up a few suprises
 
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Well, Honda is the only team where his two drivers have experience without TC, that can provide a good feedback for the engineers.

Ross Brawn can make a diference, but it's going to be a hard work, maybe they can be a mid-tier team in a few races.
 
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First day of winter testing...at Barcelona.

Drivers testing this week:

Ferrari
Michael Schumacher
Luca Badoer

BMW Sauber
Nick Heidfeld
Robert Kubica

Williams
Kazuki Nakajima
Nico Rosberg

Red Bull
Karun Chandhok
David Coulthard
Robert Doornbos

Toro Rosso
Sébastien Bourdais
Sebastian Vettel

Honda
James Rossiter
Andreas Zuber
Jenson Button
Luca Filippi
Mike Conway

Toyota
Franck Montagny
Jarno Trulli

Force India
Roldan Rodriguez
Giedo van der Garde
Adrian Sutil
Christian Klien
Vitantonio Liuzzi

McLaren
Pedro de la Rosa
Gary Paffett



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Michael Schumacher

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Force India

As of 2pm...

http://www.f1today.nl/liveupdate.php?liveupdateID=19
Code: 
driver                chassis                    time             gap             laps
1 Pedro de la Rosa    McLaren MP4-22             1:23.119                         26 
2 Michael Schumacher  Ferrari F2007              1:23.151         + 0.032         22 
3 Heikki Kovalainen   Renault R27                1:23.691         + 0.572         35 
4 Gary Paffett        McLaren MP4-22             1:23.791         + 0.672         17 
5 Luca Badoer         Ferrari F2007              1:23.879         + 0.760         36 
6 Franck Montagny     Toyota TF107               1:24.047         + 0.928         11 
7 Jarno Trulli        Toyota TF107               1:24.413         + 1.294         23 
8 Sebastian Vettel    Scuderia Toro Rosso STR2   1:24.559         + 1.440         40 
9 Nick Heidfeld       BMW Sauber F1.07           1:24.621         + 1.502         29 
10 Nico Rosberg       Williams FW29              1:24.689         + 1.570         22 
11 David Coulthard    Red Bull Racing RB3        1:25.032         + 1.913         18

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Sébastien Bourdais
 
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He is quickest now. :lol

1 Michael Schumacher Ferrari F2007 1:22.270 40
2 Pedro de la Rosa McLaren MP4-22 1:22.687 + 0.417 48
3 Kazuki Nakajima Williams FW29 1:23.187 + 0.917 49
4 Gary Paffett McLaren MP4-22 1:23.349 + 1.079 33
5 Heikki Kovalainen Renault R27 1:23.412 + 1.142 47
6 David Coulthard Red Bull Racing RB3 1:23.543 + 1.273 37
7 Robert Kubica BMW Sauber F1.07 1:23.592 + 1.322 23
8 Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber F1.07 1:23.671 + 1.401 44
9 Luca Badoer Ferrari F2007 1:23.879 + 1.609 38
10 Jarno Trulli Toyota TF107 1:23.949 + 1.679 34
11 Franck Montagny Toyota TF107 1:24.047 + 1.777 30
12 Sebastian Vettel Scuderia Toro Rosso STR2 1:24.428 + 2.158 50
13 Nico Rosberg Williams FW29 1:24.458 + 2.188 43
14 James Rossiter Super Aguri F1 SA07 1:24.580 + 2.310 44
15 Sebastien Bourdais Scuderia Toro Rosso STR2 1:25.109 + 2.839 23
16 Anthony Davidson Super Aguri F1 SA07 1:25.395 + 3.125 26
17 Andreas Zuber Honda RA107 1:25.850 + 3.580 44
18 Giedo van der Garde Force India F8-VII 1:25.996 + 3.726 55
19 Roldan Rodriguez Force India F8-VII 1:26.719 + 4.449 56
20 Karun Chandhok Red Bull Racing RB3 1:27.224 + 4.954 20
 
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Barcelona day 1

(driver, team + car, fastest lap, gap, number of laps
Code: 
Michael Schumacher  Ferrari F2007              1:21.922          64 
Luca Badoer         Ferrari F2007              1:22.129 + 0.207  71 
Pedro de la Rosa    McLaren MP4-22             1:22.687 + 0.765  63 
Heikki Kovalainen   Renault R27                1:22.802 + 0.880  68 
Robert Kubica       BMW Sauber F1.07           1:22.883 + 0.961  55 
Gary Paffett        McLaren MP4-22             1:23.008 + 1.086  46 
David Coulthard     Red Bull Racing RB3        1:23.159 + 1.237  55 
Kazuki Nakajima     Williams FW29              1:23.187 + 1.265  66 
Jarno Trulli        Toyota TF107               1:23.624 + 1.702  46 
Nick Heidfeld       BMW Sauber F1.07           1:23.671 + 1.749  75 
Nico Rosberg        Williams FW29              1:23.847 + 1.925  58 
Franck Montagny     Toyota TF107               1:23.861 + 1.939  61 
Sebastian Vettel    Scuderia Toro Rosso STR2   1:24.048 + 2.126  77 
Andreas Zuber       Honda RA107                1:24.065 + 2.143  77 
Sebastien Bourdais  Scuderia Toro Rosso STR2   1:24.193 + 2.271  51 
Anthony Davidson    Super Aguri F1 SA07        1:24.246 + 2.324  70 
James Rossiter      Super Aguri F1 SA07        1:24.480 + 2.558  69 
Karun Chandhok      Red Bull Racing RB3        1:24.896 + 2.974  39 
Giedo van der Garde Force India F8-VII         1:25.317 + 3.395  84 
Roldan Rodriguez    Force India F8-VII         1:26.297 + 4.375  87
 
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chickensoup

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Shinobi said:
The Brawn hire by Honda is fantastic...if he can't fix that program, no one can.
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Only if they allow him total freedom and control to shake things up. I'd imagine that a large part of the problem at Honda is down to the way the team is managed, and not due to any particular lack of talent or ability. Either way, having Brawn there certainly can't hurt things :)
 
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avaya

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I don't Ferrari offered Ross the role he wanted. They split the role up between two people.

As for Schuamcher. Nothing needs to be said. The guy is just another league. He would cruised to the 2007 title. Great that he didn't take part then wasn't it? Would have ruined a gripping WDC fight :lol
 
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1. M.Schumacher Ferrari (B) 1:21.486 90
2. de la Rosa McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:21.857 60
3. Kovalainen Renault (B) 1:21.894 65
4. Massa Ferrari (B) 1:22.044 56
5. Paffett McLaren-Mercedes (B) 1:22.293 57
6. Rosberg Williams-Toyota (B) 1:22.333 64
7. Coulthard Red Bull-Renault (B) 1:22.555 74
8. Heidfeld BMW-Sauber (B) 1:22.946 102
9. Nakajima Williams-Toyota (B) 1:23.031 77
10. Vettel Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) 1:23.187 74
11. Chandhok Red Bull-Renault (B) 1:23.255 57
12. Button Honda (B) 1:23.358 79
13. Trulli Toyota (B) 1:23.465 54
14. Kubica BMW-Sauber (B) 1:23.488 37
15. Davidson Super Aguri-Honda (B) 1:23.547 80
16. Filippi Honda (B) 1:23.596 74
17. Bourdais Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) 1:23.753 72
18. Montagny Toyota (B) 1:23.977 45
19. Klien Force India-Ferrari (B) 1:24.446 56
20. Sutil Force India-Ferrari (B) 1:24.537 105
21. Liuzzi Force India-Ferrari (B) 1:24.555 55

:D

The old man is still on top.

Autosport said:
Q. How was it sitting in car and being quick?

MS: It took me a bit of time, maybe two laps, and then I was back into the groove. And I have to say I surprised myself that I was so quickly on it again.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/63933
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DarkJediKnight

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Keep this in mind: none of the cars have traction control now. It just goes to show you how good Schumacher is compared to others. Look at Massa's time. With TC gone, he's not even in the same league.

Also, a better look at how the Ferrari color has changed compared to his helmet, which sported the same Marlboro colors as last years Ferrari.

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DarkJediKnight

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You really can't compare anyone to Fangio, safe perhaps Jim Clark.

Senna and Schumacher you can compare. It's too bad we never got to see what might have happened in 1994.
 
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avaya

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jey_16 said:
found this cool F1 video on youtube, some insane stuff

the ITV F1 2007 Review is pretty much a lewis hamilton video :lol , the speed one isnt too bad though
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The ITV end of season highlights obivously had Kimi just thrown in at the end :lol

The first video was great, obivously complied by a Mansell fan and even had Nigel pushing his IndyCar at Dallas from 1993.
 
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Shinobi

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Noticed that about the F1/auto racing mags as well...20, 30 pages waxing on about how well Hamilton did despite his ridiculous choke job, and a couple lines with like "oh by the way, Kimi won...good job!" It just gives the Hamilton haters more fuel.
 
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Shinobi said:
Noticed that about the F1/auto racing mags as well...20, 30 pages waxing on about how well Hamilton did despite his ridiculous choke job, and a couple lines with like "oh by the way, Kimi won...good job!" It just gives the Hamilton haters more fuel.
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I don't understand Hamilton haters at all to be honest. I'm a Ferrari fan and think McLaren are a despicable organisation but even I think Lewis is brilliant!

It's more to do with Lewis being the first British driver with any real talent since Hill. I don't mind Lewis winning these awards, he won a boatload of them from Autosport, he did an amazing job. Some are saying he's only done what Villeneuve did in 1996. I think Jacques got close in 96 because Damn choked a bit. Lewis is different. He will be the next dominant driver.
 
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