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[Lakitu]

got my 360 back this morning. Just in time for me to go on holiday and not being able to play. It will be sitting in the bloody office now for 2 weeks. Nice work Microsoft.

"..."

 

[Ronok]

Stan Kroenke is stepping up his bid to complete a £650m takeover of Arsenal and will bring back ex-vice-chairman David Dein. (Various)

I was kind of hoping he had vanished.

[randomtabloidstylespeculationtime]Wenger has delayed hiring a new director of football as he fully expects David Dein to return to that role within the coming weeks.[/randomtabloidstylespeculationtime]


IMO it's really good news Freddy is staying. It's always good to have players with title winning experience in your team as you need people around to keep the less experienced players grounded if Arsenal happen to be top of the table half way through the season.

Oh and it looks like a Freddy testimonial just might happen now.

 

[Zoolaga]

got my 360 back this morning. Just in time for me to go on holiday and not being able to play. It will be sitting in the bloody office now for 2 weeks. Nice work Microsoft.

I've just phoned microsoft about sending mine off Did you just pack it in the original box when you sent it?

United are winning 3 - 0 so far, goals by Ronaldo, Eagles and Rooney.

 

[Mama Smurf]

Ronaldo looking dangerous as ever. I hope we see Nani soon, I'm enjoying just being able to see football games again, but there's no one new out there at the moment.

Auxerre - Liverpool later, hope to see more new players there.

 

[Mama Smurf]

Also, Kanoute is available for £8m apparently. Portsmouth only bid £5.5m and reportedly don't want to go any higher.

He is going to be 30 at the start of the season, but I still think he's worth it. I'm sure someone will pick him up, Man City, Middlesbrough, Villa, Sunderland...I'd just stay at Sevilla if I were him.

 

[psycho_snake]

Bullshit, I got the timing of the united game wrong. Thats so annoying, I was really looking forward to this. Atleast I get to watch the second half.

 

[Mama Smurf]

Who's the guy playing right wing for United? Looks a bit like Larsson.

 

[Mama Smurf]

Good finish by Evra.

It might actually be right back that that guy's playing in. Is it Danny Simpson?

 

[Zoolaga]

Good finish by Evra.

It might actually be right back that that guy's playing in. Is it Danny Simpson?

yep

 

[hadareud]

I've just phoned microsoft about sending mine off Did you just pack it in the original box when you sent it?

United are winning 3 - 0 so far, goals by Ronaldo, Eagles and Rooney.

no, they sent it back in a generic white box.

And it's not my original trusted launch united either. They've replaced it with an imposter manufactured in 2006

 

[Mama Smurf]

Babel, Benayoun and Voronin starting for Liverpool. I haven't seen the bench so he might not even be there, but I imagine Torres will come on.

 

[psycho_snake]

What were uniteds first 3 goals like?

 

[Mama Smurf]

Ronaldo's was a good, low, powerful shot to the goalkeeper's right from outside the box, set up by Rooney.

Eagles passed to Ronaldo just outside the box, Ronaldo did a neat little flick back to Eagles, who took it into the box and neatly slotted it into the corner to the left of the keeper.

Rooney's was a bit of a break, Eagles passed the ball through to him into the box and he ran onto it (can't remember if he had a touch) and from the right hand side of the box (from Rooney's perspective) he slammed the ball to the left of the keeper, who got a hand to it and I think should have saved it, despite the poer of the shot.

Pretty boring Liverpool game so far. I still think they should play a 4-3-3 like Chelsea do, they have the players for it. Benayoun and Babel are playing on the wings, and that's fine, but I think they'd be much more dangerous supporting the attacker a bit more and playing inside slightly more, with 3 central midfielders behind them.

EDIT: It sounds like Eagles had an amazing game or something, and in terms of fantasy points he probably would have, but I wasn't generally impressed by him.

 

[Mama Smurf]

These Setanta commentators are annoying me. They're talking about Torres and one said "well, we all know about his goalscoring feats".

Do we? Do we all know about them? 'cos I'm thinking, you don't know about them. You've just guessed. He has a big reputation and a big price tag, therefore he MUST have scored lots of goals. WHY DON'T YOU ACTUALLY CHECK THE STATS, YOU'RE A COMMENTATOR, NOT A GUY SITTING IN A PUB!

Then the other one starts talking about how Liverpool haven't had a player score over 20 goals in over a decade, and says maybe that will all change now they've got Torres.

Well....yeah, maybe. That maybe would have changed with Cisse, Morientes, Bellamy and Kuyt. You can say that about signing any decent striker, but there is no reason to think it will be more likely to happen now they have Torres. If anything, it's less likely to happen with him than some of those other strikers who at least had goalsoring records before they joined Liverpool that suggested they might hit the 20 mark.

 

[MrPing1000]

Evra was awesome today. Really really good.

 

[Mama Smurf]

Rubbish game, but as most of the Liverpool team is changing second half, I'm hopeful it'll improve. One good move, just one, and Gerrard scored.

Babel has been dreadful. Benayoun has been alright, nothing special. Voronin one really nice pass, not much else.

 

[Shinobi]

Tottenham - The Righteous Brothers

Highly successful in the 1960's - an era in which they were perceived as being talented, trendy and novel. No-one has really heard much of them since then, excepting a very brief resurgence in the early 1990s. Widely perceived now as being very old-hat, with the majority of current fans being largely homosexual

:lol Must've been written by a Gooner...

I have no sympathy for Chille yesterday. They didn't deserve half those cards, as Argentina was hamming it up like nobody's business, while the ref decided to just hand yellows out like candy. Still, when you live by the sword, you die by it...they did the same bullshit to Canada in the openin game, so **** them and their bitter tears.

Di Maria's goal was absolutely stunning BTW...sure would be nice if he could do that in an Arsenal kit. I find that story dubious since only one source is reporting it, but it's possible that such a signing won't be completely confirmed until after the U20 ends on Sunday.

Good to see Theo doing his thing BTW. As I said a couple weeks ago, he's the wild card for the Gunners. He's got enough raw ability that he's able to directly affect a game simply through his pace. And he's got great touch around the net when given enough time.

 

[Mama Smurf]

Di Maria's goal was absolutely stunning BTW...sure would be nice if he could do that in an Arsenal kit. I find that story dubious since only one source is reporting it

Actually quite a few papers reported it today. The question is, did they hear it themselves, or have they just stolen it from skysports?

 

[Cornballer]

Birmingham have signed Mido for £6 mill.


Decent signing, he's sure to get them goals if they can keep him happy.

WE MUST PROTECT THIS HOOOUUUUSSEEE!

 

[hadareud]

just about to leave for Heathrow. I know it won't be easy without me, but you will have to manage somehow.

quite a goal by Angel, wouldn't mind getting him. Let's see if there is any truth to that.

 

[Shinobi]

Hope you have a good time hadareud...and a safe time at that.

WE MUST PROTECT THIS HOOOUUUUSSEEE!

:lol

Well Sky Sports is (I asume) a little more reputable than most...I figured the source was one of Murdoch's tabloids. Again if it's legit, we probably won't see confirmation till sometime next week.

BTW, what does the third Arsenal jersey look like?

 

[Cornballer]

The word on the interwebs is that the Di Maria and Pedro deals should go through once the U20's are over. Salamanca reported on Pedro on their website. They have pics of him in the Salamanca uniform.

Also, there are fresh rumors linking us to a French based Danish winger, which is probably Thomas Kahlenberg. Supposedly he'll sign for £5-£10million once Auxerre have secured a replacement.

Have a good trip hadareud!

 

[psycho_snake]

See you had. Have fun and take care.

 

[psycho_snake]

What a surprise, Owen got injured again. He picked up a thigh injury in training, but it doesnt look too serious. He's expected to be out for around two weeks.

 

[Cornballer]

What a surprise, Owen got injured again. He picked up a thigh injury in training, but it doesnt look too serious. He's expected to be out for around two weeks.

This is why I didn't want to sign him when a lot of Arsenal fans were calling for it - he's too injury prone.

 

[psycho_snake]

This is why I didn't want to sign him when a lot of Arsenal fans were calling for it - he's too injury prone.

I wanted united to get him because I thought it would be worth taking the risk on him, but fergie's made the right choice by buying tevez instead of Owen, even if its going to cost a lot to buy tevez. When owens fit, he's excellent, but as you said he's too injury prone. Even before his two big injuries in 2006, he's had problems with his hamstring. There's a chance that he's going to keep having these minor injuries quite often and he could even mess up his knee again. We've already got saha to deal with so we dont need another injury prone striker to deal with.

 

[Zoolaga]

Video of United's 9 year old signing

Another vid

 

[Osorio]

:lol :lol :lol

That kid's amazing but it's funny seeing such a short person do moves like that.

 

[Zoolaga]

I love the part when he is on the floor and he's still taking the piss .

 

[Mama Smurf]

Well that goes down as the first truly poor game I've seen this season.

It's hard to believe with all the spending, but the more I watch Liverpool, the more I think they're still about 5 players off a squad that could challenge for the title.

GK

Reina
Carson
Mihaylov

LB

Riise
???????

RB

Finnan
Arbeloa

CB

Carragher
Agger
???????
Hyypia

LW

???????
Leto
Aurelio

RW

???????
Pennant

CM

Gerrard
Mascherano
Alonso
Sissoko
Lucas
Benayoun

FW

???????
Torres
Crouch
Voronin
Babel

Basically:

- A left back to compete with Riise...not necessarily second choice or first choice, just someone good enough that it'll be between the two of them

- A good centre back to cover Agger and Carragher...perhaps even push them for a starting spot

- A top quality left winger

- A top quality right winger

- A top quality finisher

It's bizarre to me that the wing positions still aren't sorted. I mean, Babel and Benayoun are there, but in both cases I think they're not being put in their strongest positions, which is why I've put them in central midfield and attack above.

Looking at it in a bit more depth:

LB - Man Utd have said they'll never sell to a rival, so Heinze is out of the picture. The other guy strongly linked is Chiellini, a young left back from Juventus. Apparently he'll be available for £7m, after falling out with Ranieri. He's only 22, the Italy U21 captain, is actually a regular in the full national squad now...sounds good.

CB - A lot of centre backs have been snapped up, but there are still a few good ones possibly available. I'm thinking Curtis Davies from West Brom...we know he's talented and would already be in the Premiership if it wasn't for West Brom's asking price (which seems to be about £8m). Still, given his age I don't think that's a terrible deal.

LW - The only name coming to me is Drenthe. Nani's gone to United, Malouda to Chelsea, Ribery to Bayern, it appears Atletico are about to announce the signing of Simao (who will probably play on the right for them, but can play left)...options are running out. Drenthe for about £7-8m though? I think he's one of the only names left out there to be honest. Well, except for Mancini (who again appears able to play either wing), who Benitez says he's not even interested in, probably because he's 30. Problem with Drenthe is, lots of competition for him.

RW - Covered a number of players above, so won't go over those, but there are others. Guily's gone to Roma, Porto have said Quaresma's not for sale...but there are a couple closer to home. There's Wright-Phillips, but if Chelsea aren't willing to sell Spurs as they might become rivals, they're sure as hell not gonna sell to Liverpool who already are. The only other name that springs to mind is Dyer. Now he apparently wants to stay at Newcastle if Allardyce wants him, but two things: 1 Allardyce might not want him, and 2 he might only have said that because it's West Ham who've come calling, Liverpool could be a whole different matter, that's a clear step up. Apparently he'd only cost £6m.

FW - Yeah, so maybe Kuyt will take off and I'm being unfair, but he only did ok last year and in today's friendly he didn't really do anything. I like Kuyt, but when I look through the Liverpool strikers they have a tall guy, a player who likes to drop off, a fast guy and a highly skilled, technical player. The thing which is lacking is finishing, and that's what Kuyt's there for and if he's not doing his job, he's the one who needs replacing. As for who...well, Defoe maybe, although for some insane reason he seems to want to stay at Spurs as 4th choice, Kanoute perhaps (the only downside being his age), Owen seems to be a no go since he's come out and said he's committed to Newcastle...there are quite a few other names available abroad, but the price rises sharply for the majority of them. Perhaps Adriano would regain his form, I dunno how much he'd cost. You'd be looking at £8-12m for Kanoute or Defoe though.

So let's say:

Chiellini - £7m
Davies - £8m
Drenthe - £8m
Dyer - £6m
Kanoute - £8m

Total - £37m

It's just not gonna happen, is it? Not within one transfer window anyway. Even with the money from selling Kuyt and Kewell it's too much. I imagine a couple more players will be bought before the start of the season, so the squad will improve, but I think we're waiting until next summer before Liverpool truly have a squad to mount a challenge.

Still, do things my way and:

GK

Reina
Carson
Mihaylov

LB

Riise
Chiellini

RB

Finnan
Arbeloa

CB

Carragher
Agger
Davies
Hyypia

LW

Drenthe
Leto
Aurelio

RW

Dyer
Pennant

CM

Gerrard
Mascherano
Alonso
Sissoko
Lucas
Benayoun

FW

Kanoute
Torres
Crouch
Voronin
Babel

the're as strong as anyone.

 

[psycho_snake]

Evra was awesome today. Really really good.

yeah he was good. I'm a really big fan of evra. He's got everything a good left back should have. I'd definately choose him over heinze because he's a lot quicker and he's better going forwards.

Heinze would be good back up, but it looks like he could push for a move to Liverpool even if fergie said he isnt going.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/6900545.stm

The report says that juve and madrid are also interested in him. If thats true I would much rather see him go to one of those clubs than Liverpool. It doesnt feel right at all letting him go there. If there are other clubs interested, then I think fergie will sell him to one of the foreign clubs as long as they pay a similar fee to what liverpool are prepared to pay. I cant see why he would want to move to liverpool if other big clubs are interested unless he's desperate to stay in england.

 

[Mama Smurf]

See, Heinze is actually perfect for Liverpool if he can move there. It elliminates one of the 5 players needed, as he can play right back and left back. And there's no shortage of numbers, as if, say, Agger, Hyypia andRiise are all injured (it can happen, check out United towards the end of last season) Heinze goes to centre back and Aurelio steps in at left back.

I don't quite understand that report though. They're saying United sent a letter to Heinze's agent saying "We'll sell if you can secure a deal worht £7m", then when Liverpool met this valuation United told them to piss off? Well...so what? It's just a letter, it's not a contract, they're not legally bound to now let Heinze go to Liverpool like you would with a release clause. I don't see how that gives Heinze any more leverage in pushing the deal through.

 

[Cornballer]

Interesting... Apparently Billy Beane (from the A's) was a major reason why Lew got involved with getting the Quakes back. Sounds like he might have a (small?) role in running the Quakes, as well.

 

[psycho_snake]

Video of United's 9 year old signing

Another vid

:lol shit, thats ****ing amazing.

That reminds of this time when I went to a park and there were these people playing football and they asked me to play. One of the people was this kid who must have been 7 or 8 and he took all of us on. Now that sounds like me and the people I was playing with were shite, but he was actually a really talented boy. He did all these turns and flicks; it was like watching a mini ronaldo.

 

[Mama Smurf]

Hughes says he wants to bring in another striker before the start of the season, which I'm happy about. I'm less happy about the names we're being linked to. Santa Cruz, Beattie, Zamora...they're not bad strikers by any means, but they're really no better than our current second choice strikers (after McCarthy). Good for numbers, improves the squad, but not gonna improve the first team. That's why I wanted Nugent or Bellamy, a player who will not only improve the squad, but improve the 11 we put out there each week. I'd take Zamora out of those though, but I suspect West Ham aren't selling.

The only player I am happy we've been linked to is Camara. Admittedly he's 30, but we have young strikers and he adds something different with his pace.

Also, skysports reckon Kroenke is about to launch another bid for Arsenal.

 

[Mama Smurf]

That reminds of this time when I went to a park and there were these people playing football and they asked me to play. One of the people was this kid who must have been 7 or 8 and he took all of us on. Now that sounds like me and the people I was playing with were shite, but he was actually a really talented boy. He did all these turns and flicks; it was like watching a mini ronaldo.

Yep. When I was younger we used to have matches between two streets all the time, like every day of the summer. And their star player was the youngest guy there, must have been 4 or 5 years younger than me. I was the only player on my street who could deal with him (which is why I always had to go and score the first goal then defend the rest of the game to make sure he didn't get anything).

That might sound like boasting, but if he was my age, I couldn't have dealt with him at all. It was only his youth which allowed me to deal with him, and even then everyone else who was older couldn't (<---that bit's the boasting).

 

[Osorio]

Interesting... Apparently Billy Beane (from the A's) was a major reason why Lew got involved with getting the Quakes back. Sounds like he might have a (small?) role in running the Quakes, as well.

That's awesome but I wonder how he became a Spurs fan.

 

[Mama Smurf]

What is this midget football league and how can I subscribe?

 

[Mama Smurf]

Sven seems to be sorting out Man City rapidly, I'm quite impressed so far. Apparently he's closing in on Yakubu, who would be a great signing.

Assuming he gets him, I reckon he's sorted out the attack and central midfield already:

FW

Yakubu
Bianchi
Mpenza
Vassell
Sturridge

ACM

Geovanni
Johnson
Ireland

DCM

Fernandes
Dabo
Hamann

Full backs are ok, first choice centre back and goalkeeper are fine, but they need a reserve keeper, at least one reserve centre back and I'd probably say two, and....well, two wingers to begin with, but in reality four as they just don't have anybody (unles Geovanni can play there).

So I'd be surprised if we don't see at least 6 more buys for City before August 31st.

 

[Decado]

FW - Yeah, so maybe Kuyt will take off and I'm being unfair, but he only did ok last year and in today's friendly he didn't really do anything. I like Kuyt, but when I look through the Liverpool strikers they have a tall guy, a player who likes to drop off, a fast guy and a highly skilled, technical player. The thing which is lacking is finishing, and that's what Kuyt's there for and if he's not doing his job, he's the one who needs replacing. As for who...well, Defoe maybe, although for some insane reason he seems to want to stay at Spurs as 4th choice, Kanoute perhaps (the only downside being his age), Owen seems to be a no go since he's come out and said he's committed to Newcastle...there are quite a few other names available abroad, but the price rises sharply for the majority of them. Perhaps Adriano would regain his form, I dunno how much he'd cost. You'd be looking at £8-12m for Kanoute or Defoe though.

Torres isn't a finisher? Seems like a great goal scorer to me, and he wasn't exactly playing with a Liverpool quality club before.

 

[Lakitu]

I wouldn't take that game at face value Mama, we were poor obviously but the team was incredibly tired, as they had a mammoth training session before g oing to the match including a bike ride. You could tell they were tired, and pre-season is to determine their match fitness. We played poor, but we still won 2-0. That says something.

 

[Mama Smurf]

Torres isn't a finisher? Seems like a great goal scorer to me, and he wasn't exactly playing with a Liverpool quality club before.

We've been through all this before, search my old posts for Torres and you'll find how his goalscoring is...inadequate (and worse than Crouch, Bellamy or Kuyt were last year).

EDIT:

In fact, I'm bored enough to find it for you.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6915504&postcount=16645

That's the first post where it compared the goalscorers, only it left in penalties which I thought was unfair, of course you're going to score more if you're your sides penalty taker (though even with them Torres falls well short).

Then I worked it out without penalties:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6915806&postcount=16651

which really makes things embarrassing for Torres.

 

[psycho_snake]

Torres isn't a finisher? Seems like a great goal scorer to me, and he wasn't exactly playing with a Liverpool quality club before.

He's never scored 20 goals a season. If Liverpool were prepared top spend so much money on a striker, they should have put in more effort trying to get a proven goalscorer who can guarantee more than 20 goals. He's a decent striker, but I dont think he's that much better than any of Liverpools other strikers. The quality of the club isnt always such a big factor. Bent managed top score over 20 goals in one season with charlton, so that goes to show that a player can score a lot of goals for a club thats not very big.

 

[Lakitu]

We've been through all this before, search my old posts for Torres and you'll find how his goalscoring is...inadequate (and worse than Crouch, Bellamy or Kuyt were last year).

EDIT:

In fact, I'm bored enough to find it for you.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6915504&postcount=16645

That's the first post where it compared the goalscorers, only it left in penalties which I thought was unfair, of course you're going to score more if you're your sides penalty taker (though even with them Torres falls well short).

Then I worked it out without penalties:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6915806&postcount=16651

which really makes things embarrassing for Torres.

To be fair, Torres was in a team lacking in quality most of the time, and either played on the wing or as a lone striker. We won't be able to determine Torres quality until a couple more years pass at the most.

 

[BatiGOOOOOOL]

To be fair, Torres was in a team lacking in quality most of the time.

Just like him.

 

[psycho_snake]

LB - Man Utd have said they'll never sell to a rival, so Heinze is out of the picture. The other guy strongly linked is Chiellini, a young left back from Juventus. Apparently he'll be available for £7m, after falling out with Ranieri. He's only 22, the Italy U21 captain, is actually a regular in the full national squad now...sounds good.

I've not read about chiellini falling out with ranieri, but if it is true, then it could be a very good opportunity for liverpool to get themselves a very good left back. He's a very good player. The great thing about him is that he can also play in centre back. I think Ranieri is planning to use him as a centre back because he can use zebina at left back. He's versatile and he can play both positions well. In a couple of years time he's going to become a key play for italy.

I think that ranieri will try to get him to stay. He's an important player for Juve because he's good and one for the future. But if ranieri and chiellini cant see eye to eye, then its possible that he'll be going. Its probabvly going to trigger juve into making a bigger push to get heinze.

CB - A lot of centre backs have been snapped up, but there are still a few good ones possibly available. I'm thinking Curtis Davies from West Brom...we know he's talented and would already be in the Premiership if it wasn't for West Brom's asking price (which seems to be about £8m). Still, given his age I don't think that's a terrible deal.

As a back up defender, he would be good. He could also get a place in the first team in a couple of years time if he develops well. The only problem is the price, but thats what you've got to deal with when buying an english player. im just trying to think who else they could get, but no names are coming to me. I'll think about it later.

LW - The only name coming to me is Drenthe. Nani's gone to United, Malouda to Chelsea, Ribery to Bayern, it appears Atletico are about to announce the signing of Simao (who will probably play on the right for them, but can play left)...options are running out. Drenthe for about £7-8m though? I think he's one of the only names left out there to be honest. Well, except for Mancini (who again appears able to play either wing), who Benitez says he's not even interested in, probably because he's 30. Problem with Drenthe is, lots of competition for him.

I dont know if its worth taking the risk on drenthe. He showed a lot of promise in the U21 tournament, but has he shown that he's good enough for a top club? Possibly. maybe he'll turn out to be ace in the future, but for now he isnt going to be a big boost. You said that they need a top left winger, but I dont think drenthe is that guy just yet.

RW - Covered a number of players above, so won't go over those, but there are others. Guily's gone to Roma, Porto have said Quaresma's not for sale...but there are a couple closer to home. There's Wright-Phillips, but if Chelsea aren't willing to sell Spurs as they might become rivals, they're sure as hell not gonna sell to Liverpool who already are. The only other name that springs to mind is Dyer. Now he apparently wants to stay at Newcastle if Allardyce wants him, but two things: 1 Allardyce might not want him, and 2 he might only have said that because it's West Ham who've come calling, Liverpool could be a whole different matter, that's a clear step up. Apparently he'd only cost £6m.

Dyer? No. He's good when he's fit, but he's hardly fit. he's too injury prone. I wouldnt take the rsik.

FW - Yeah, so maybe Kuyt will take off and I'm being unfair, but he only did ok last year and in today's friendly he didn't really do anything. I like Kuyt, but when I look through the Liverpool strikers they have a tall guy, a player who likes to drop off, a fast guy and a highly skilled, technical player. The thing which is lacking is finishing, and that's what Kuyt's there for and if he's not doing his job, he's the one who needs replacing. As for who...well, Defoe maybe, although for some insane reason he seems to want to stay at Spurs as 4th choice, Kanoute perhaps (the only downside being his age), Owen seems to be a no go since he's come out and said he's committed to Newcastle...there are quite a few other names available abroad, but the price rises sharply for the majority of them. Perhaps Adriano would regain his form, I dunno how much he'd cost. You'd be looking at £8-12m for Kanoute or Defoe though.

You are being unfair on Kuyt. I think he's going to prove himself next season.

 

[Mama Smurf]

We'll see. I didn't know Chiellini could play centre back too, there's no need for two defenders if they get him then.

 

[Fowler]

Video of United's 9 year old signing

Another vid

<AlanHansen> Schoolboy defending!

 

[Decado]

:lol It's his low centre of gravity!

 

[KingGondo]

<AlanHansen> Schoolboy defending!

Yeah, maybe that team in yellow (in the first vid) was just really bad...



Maybe?