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[Lambtron]

Packers 2nd rounder for Carr & Houston's 4th. GET IT DONE TED THOMPSON.

Then we can trade A-Rodg future to some team who really needs a QB. Hellllllo Oakland!

 

[DY_nasty]

I hope you're not one of those philly fans who likes to run future hall of famers out of town...

 

[CB3]

and i really hope your not one of those ignorant juniors that gets on my nerves real quick

Im not trying to run any future hall of famers out of town. If your talking current eagles, i only see two at this point.

Dawkins - damn near lock to go to the HOF
DMac - just 1 superbowl win should do it.

I want them both to be eagles for their entire career

 

[andthebeatgoeson]

and i really hope your not one of those ignorant juniors that gets on my nerves real quick

Im not trying to run any future hall of famers out of town. If your talking current eagles, i only see two at this point.

Dawkins - damn near lock to go to the HOF
DMac - just 1 superbowl win should do it.

I want them both to be eagles for their entire career

Dawk ain't going to the Hall. Look up the cornerbacks/safeties in the hall. Not that many and the last one to get in was in the early 80's. He has at least 10-15 more int's than Dawk and that seems to be the primary stat that can determine if he'll get in. Dawk has 2-3 more years where he's a significant force. Ain't no way he'll get 5 int's per year.

 

[CB3]

He will get in. Trust me on that one. Safety's are not suppost to be playing at this high a level at his age. He may not get alot of int's but he has so much of a presence. I guarantee maybe other than Ray Lewis, no one can get his team pumped like Dawk. By his words or plays.

He is going on 34 years old and the only Safety even close to his skill level is Ed Reed

 

[Zep]

Dawkins will get in but not before Aeneas Williams...Thats for damn sure.

 

[iapetus]

the problem is he doesn't play QB well.

That didn't stop Vince Young.

 

[CB3]

That didn't stop Vince Young.

Vince Young is a Rookie. Vick is a 7 year Vet. Young has tons of room to develop into a greater passes. If Young is still putting up similar numbers 3-4 years from now and the media is all over his dick ill bash him like i bash vick. No reason to judge Young yet. And this is coming from a person who thought Young wouldnt do shit his first year. And i already have a hate for him cause he beat my Trojans by himself

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

Texans | Team on verge of acquiring Schaub
Wed, 21 Mar 2007 10:38:20 -0700

Jay Glazer, of FOXSports.com, reports the Atlanta Falcons and Houston Texans are on the verge of a trade that would send quarterback Matt Schaub to the Texans in exchange for a swapping of first-round draft picks in this year's NFL Draft, a second-round draft pick in this year's draft and a second-round pick in 2008. Schaub is trying to work out a long-term deal with the Texans. While the deal is not yet finalized, it is expected to be completed Wednesday, March 21.

what


edit - oh i see it was already posted. **** you guys some of us work during the day!

 

[woodchuck]

That didn't stop Vince Young.

Rookie of the year was a makeup for the heisman snub

 

[vas_a_morir]

David Carr is like Tim Couch... His fate dictated that he would never have any success in the NFL.

 

[CB3]

David Carr is like Tim Couch... His fate dictated that he would never have any success in the NFL.

Not really. He put up a 82.1 Qb Rating on an offense with no weapons besides Andre Johnson. And he never had time to throw to him anyway cause of his line. Put him on a decent team and he can be pretty good.

 

[Archaix]

Not really. He put up a 82.1 Qb Rating on an offense with no weapons besides Andre Johnson. And he never had time to throw to him anyway cause of his line. Put him on a decent team and he can be pretty good.

To be fair, Tim Couch looked fair to good at times in his career too. He had a worse team than Carr arguably and had a career rating of 75, and posted a winning record in his fourth year. Carr has similar career stats and has never posted a winning season, and as bad as they were, none of his teams were as horrible as the Browns.

 

[Matrix]

Not really. He put up a 82.1 Qb Rating on an offense with no weapons besides Andre Johnson. And he never had time to throw to him anyway cause of his line. Put him on a decent team and he can be pretty good.

You didnt watch the final 10 Texans games last season,did you? :lol

 

[CB3]

To be fair, Tim Couch looked fair to good at times in his career too. He had a worse team than Carr arguably and had a career rating of 75, and posted a winning record in his fourth year. Carr has similar career stats and has never posted a winning season, and as bad as they were, none of his teams were as horrible as the Browns.

Who knows. He could have been decent also. But the injuries guaranteed that would never happen

 

[dskillzhtown]

Not really. He put up a 82.1 Qb Rating on an offense with no weapons besides Andre Johnson. And he never had time to throw to him anyway cause of his line. Put him on a decent team and he can be pretty good.

You are drinking waaayyy too much of the national media Kool-Aid. Carr's line was not as bad last year as was reported. Carr has tunnel vision, meaning he has success with one reciever in the first drive of a game and the gets locked on him. To the point of holding on to the ball too long and getting sacked. I have season tickets, I have had them for 4 years and have seen when the line is playing shitty and when Carr is playing bad. Carr is to blame for alot of his own problems. 82.1 QB rating when he only threw the ball to RBs is not something to be proud of.

Carr is not a good QB. Maybe it is because of the bad coaching he had initially, but when given every chance to succeed last year, he didn't. Maybe a change of scenery will help him, maybe it won't. But either way I will be glad to see him off the Texans. The only bad part is that any leverage we had in getting something for David is gone now.

 

[vas_a_morir]

Not really. He put up a 82.1 Qb Rating on an offense with no weapons besides Andre Johnson. And he never had time to throw to him anyway cause of his line. Put him on a decent team and he can be pretty good.

Exactly my point. They were put on epically shitty expansion teams, and therefore wasted good years getting their asses kicked (also in tough divisions, as the Ravens were really tough during those first few years. ) Destiny... made them losers, when they had the skills to do better things in another situation.

 

[CB3]

Exactly my point. They were put on epically shitty expansion teams, and therefore wasted good years getting their asses kicked (also in tough divisions, as the Ravens were really tough during those first few years. ) Destiny... made them losers, when they had the skills to do better things in another situation.

Not exactly. Remember, there is a certain Hall Of Famer Named Steve Young that had to play on the horrible Tampa Bay team for two years, posting god awful numbers, before he went to the 9ers. Not Comparing Carr to Steve Young. Im just saying failure is possible for a few years and you can still become successful.

 

[Striker]

what


edit - oh i see it was already posted. **** you guys some of us work during the day!

 

[vas_a_morir]

Not exactly. Remember, there is a certain Hall Of Famer Named Steve Young that had to play on the horrible Tampa Bay team for two years, posting god awful numbers, before he went to the 9ers. Not Comparing Carr to Steve Young. Im just saying failure is possible for a few years and you can still become successful.

Well, Let me say this: I hope David Carr becomes a Steve Young, instead of a Tim Couch. However, this is not likely.

 

[Matrix]

The only bad part is that any leverage we had in getting something for David is gone now.

Cant believe we might have to waive him and get nothing,sucks big time

Taken from the chronicle...

"Trading Carr has been more difficult than the Texans anticipated. His base salaries of $5.5 million this year and $6 million in 2008 are making teams leery of trading for him. If no team makes an offer, the Texans will have no choice but to waive Carr, which would free him to sign with any team."

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/4649552.html


Schaub just got a nice contract.

 

[DCX]

Damn! HUGE pay day for our clip board man. I hope he has a good season. I really want this to work out, as it stands we robbed the Texans and the fact that they might have to waive Carr rather than get something for him is more disturbing.

DCX

 

[siamesedreamer]

Awesome........Patrino just sold his soul to Vick.

Over/Under on his tenure in ATL? 2.5 years......

 

[BillRiccio]

Reports out of Cleveland are that talks have really heated up with the Falcons and Browns trading picks. Here is what I'm hearing. Remember it's just a rumor at this point.

Browns get:
Falcons 1st round this year
Falcons 2nd round this year
Texans 2nd round this year

Falcons get:
Browns 1st round this year

I would be all about this. It's a good possibility that Peterson would drop to 8 and then wow three 2nd round picks. The Browns could make up some serious ground with some nice draft picks.

 

[siamesedreamer]

#3? Shit......

Calling CALVIN!!!!

 

[Slo]

Quinn to Falcons confirmed!

 

[Lonestar]

damn, that would be big news. CJ might make Vick look like , what some in the business refer as, a "QB"

 

[Slo]

I was just reading a story that was saying Detroit was going to try to stockpile draft picks by trading down to #3 with Cleveland, and then trading down again with the Falcons. If this is true, then Cleveland just de-nutted them. :lol

Edit: I'd laugh my ass off if Oakland suprised us and took CJ at #1.

 

[hiryu]

Browns get:
Falcons 1st round this year
Falcons 2nd round this year
Texans 2nd round this year

Falcons get:
Browns 1st round this year

The thought of that happening makes me hard.

 

[sableholic]

Reports out of Cleveland are that talks have really heated up with the Falcons and Browns trading picks. Here is what I'm hearing. Remember it's just a rumor at this point.

Browns get:
Falcons 1st round this year
Falcons 2nd round this year
Texans 2nd round this year

Falcons get:
Browns 1st round this year

I would be all about this. It's a good possibility that Peterson would drop to 8 and then wow three 2nd round picks. The Browns could make up some serious ground with some nice draft picks.

Peterson won't fall to 8, if he reaches the Skins we're going to trade with Buffalo in my opinion. If any of the following fall to the Skins I'll be insanely happy: CJ, Quinn, Peterson. That should get us some trade offers to recoup some picks and still get a decent DT/DE.

 

[DCX]

damn, that would be big news. CJ might make Vick look like , what some in the business refer as, a "QB"

CJ to Falcons will only help me in my quest to become a GAF champ

DCX

 

[DCX]

I was just reading a story that was saying Detroit was going to try to stockpile draft picks by trading down to #3 with Cleveland, and then trading down again with the Falcons. If this is true, then Cleveland just de-nutted them. :lol

Edit: I'd laugh my ass off if Oakland suprised us and took CJ at #1.

If this was to happen then Joe Thomas or Peterson would be our choice, maybe trade down to get Leron.

DCX

 

[tmdorsey]

Reports out of Cleveland are that talks have really heated up with the Falcons and Browns trading picks. Here is what I'm hearing. Remember it's just a rumor at this point.

Browns get:
Falcons 1st round this year
Falcons 2nd round this year
Texans 2nd round this year

Falcons get:
Browns 1st round this year

I would be all about this. It's a good possibility that Peterson would drop to 8 and then wow three 2nd round picks. The Browns could make up some serious ground with some nice draft picks.

Oh please, oh please, oh please, let this happen. Because baring any dumbshit from Oakland and Detroit, this almost guarantees us getting Calvin.

Not really. He put up a 82.1 Qb Rating on an offense with no weapons besides Andre Johnson. And he never had time to throw to him anyway cause of his line. Put him on a decent team and he can be pretty good.

Ok, now I know now for a fact that you are Vick hater just on GP. You are going to give Carr slack for not having time to throw and not Vick? Wow. One of the first things Bobby Petrino said after he got finish watching tape from Falcon's games was that he wasn't concerned about the hits Vick took outside of the pocket, but the hits Vick took from inside the pocket. Jeez, you almost always manage to suck me in.

 

[Tamanon]

*spittake*

Schaub signs a 6 year/$48 million contract with the Texans.

Jesus.

 

[dskillzhtown]

*spittake*

Schaub signs a 6 year/$48 million contract with the Texans.

Jesus.

How much is the guaranteed though?

 

[siamesedreamer]

I said wow.....

 

[BillRiccio]

I was just reading a story that was saying Detroit was going to try to stockpile draft picks by trading down to #3 with Cleveland, and then trading down again with the Falcons. If this is true, then Cleveland just de-nutted them.

I don't know why Cleveland would trade up when both teams ahead of them are probably going to take players that we could live without. Doesn't make sense. Just no Brady Quinn and Ill be happy.

 

[DY_nasty]

They're trying to make Cris Carter & Randy Moss 2.0 out of Joe Horn & Calvin Johnson

But hey, if it worked for Daunte...

 

[Meier]

Damn, the Deuce, Antone Smith, looks huge in this picture. I expect him to leave early and be a first round draft pick next year fellas (sadly).

 

[bluemax]

One of the first things Bobby Petrino said after he got finish watching tape from Falcon's games was that he wasn't concerned about the hits Vick took outside of the pocket, but the hits Vick took from inside the pocket. Jeez, you almost always manage to suck me in.

Vick was decent last year when the Falcons went run, run, play action bootleg. The problem is they gave this up and tried to have him take 3 and 5 step drops. I'm as anti Vick as the next guy but there is a formula for success with him.

D'oh and I just reread your post. Oh well my point still stands.

 

[Nameless]

Reports out of Cleveland are that talks have really heated up with the Falcons and Browns trading picks. Here is what I'm hearing. Remember it's just a rumor at this point.

Browns get:
Falcons 1st round this year
Falcons 2nd round this year
Texans 2nd round this year

Falcons get:
Browns 1st round this year

I would be all about this. It's a good possibility that Peterson would drop to 8 and then wow three 2nd round picks. The Browns could make up some serious ground with some nice draft picks.

Thats it, to move up to take the best WR propsect in years?

Remember it was Cleveland who sent the 37th overall pick in the 2004 draft to Detroit to move up ONE SPOT to take Kellen Winslow. Though, there is only a 100 point difference between the 6th and 7th overall picks, the 37th pick that DET recieved was worth 530 points--a difference of 430.

With this thrade, there is an 800 point difference between the 8th and 3rd overall picks. The combined value of ATL's second round picks is 970, a difference of only 170. With trades in the top 10, teams going backwards usually want considerably more value than what the value chart specifies, so ATL would likely have to throw in atleast a 3rd round pick in 08 to make it a viable trade.

Edit I found the story..To further put things into perspective..this is from last year:

49ers | Saints asking price high for No. 2
Fri, 28 Apr 2006 23:36:02 -0700

Dave Hutchinson, of the Star-Ledger, reports the San Francisco 49ers are trying to trade up with the New Orleans Saints to the No. 2 spot in the NFL Draft, but the Saints asking price is high. The Saints are asking the 49ers for their No. 6 pick, plus the extra first-round pick they have at No. 22 and next season's first-round pick.

Lets assume we had made that trade: The 2nd pick is worth 2600 points. Both of our 1st round picks(6th and 22nd overall) were worth 2380 points combined leaving us only 220 points short. On the value chart it would only take an early 3rd round pick to meet their value mathmatically, but they wanted our 1st THIS year as well which is valued at 1250 points, a 1030 point difference. Even assuming we had won the SB with Reggie Bush and ended up with the 32nd overall pick, it would still come out better t value wise than the ATL/CLV trade.

 

[Triumph]

I don't like trading both of those second rounders to move up five spots. But the Falcons will probably do it.

 

[tmdorsey]

I don't like trading both of those second rounders to move up five spots. But the Falcons will probably do it.

Ignoring what Namless was talking about, I think there's a slight chance we could move up just giving them the 8th pick and one 2nd round pick. If worst comes to worse I think that CJ would be worth both 2nd round picks if you count in the fact that it means that he won't go to Tampa. Also we do have 2 4th round picks this year.

 

[Hunter D]

I am praying the giants can get some linemen. Jacobs could pound out 1600 yards next year if the giants have a decent line.

 

[iapetus]

Even assuming we had won the SB with Reggie Bush and ended up with the 32nd overall pick, it would still come out better t value wise than the ATL/CLV trade.

That's a ridiculous assumption anyway. Frank Gore is a better RB than Reggie Bush.

 

[Nameless]

Ignoring what Namless was talking about, I think there's a slight chance we could move up just giving them the 8th pick and one 2nd round pick. If worst comes to worse I think that CJ would be worth both 2nd round picks if you count in the fact that it means that he won't go to Tampa. Also we do have 2 4th round picks this year.

Dude, there is ZERO chance of the Browns taking one second round pick along with the 8th to move down 5 spots in the top 10...z-e-r-o. That would only be 1910 draft points, well short of the 3rd overall pick; even the Browns aren't that stupid.

The Brown's price is only going to go up as CJ's hype and stock rises. The Browns will approach trades like they own the rights to the player that the opposite team is trying to get--much like the Saints negotiated with us as if Reggie was already a part of their team, you might as well assume that CJ is a brown right now if ATL is trying to move up and get him.

Theres slim chance you guys will get him for less than your 1st, both 2nds, and a day one pick next year.

 

[Nameless]

That's a ridiculous assumption anyway. Frank Gore is a better RB than Reggie Bush.

Yeah, we know that now.. But people were predicting Reggie to come in and put up LT numbers. But really I was just giving an example on how much the Saints would've gained with that trade, and how even if it yielded the least possible value(by us winning the SB) they still would've came out MUCH MUCH better than the Browns would in the rumored deal with the Falcons.

 

[whytemyke]

Awesome piece by the Lions beatwriter on Mock Drafts and players shooting up and down the draft board, in case you want to peruse it. http://blog.mlive.com/lionsinsider/2007/03/shooting_up_the_draft_board_gi.html

For the next five weeks, we're going to hear a lot about players suddenly and surprisingly "shooting up the draft board'' and that their "value has skyrocketed.'' Uh, not quite.

Oh, there will be a lot of players who take leaps and bounds up several mock drafts, but that's the only place it's going to happen. After the bowl games are finished in early Janurary, most NFL teams have a very good idea of where their draft board stands. Some players might be adjusted slightly because they're bigger or faster than originally believed, but it's extremely rare for a player to vault up a board significantly because of a combine or pro day workout.

The latest example is Mississippi linebacker Patrick Willis, who recently wowed scouts with his speed. Several mock drafts, who had this kid as a second-round pick a few weeks ago, are now touting his "shooting up the board'' but -- to NFL teams -- Willis was in the top 15 all along. Because the general media wasn't aware of this guy's talents early on, it doesn't mean that NFL scouts didn't.

It's like Brady Quinn's yo-yo performance up and down the mock drafts the last couple of weeks. That's happening in the media, but not in NFL war rooms. Those teams have a very good idea of where Quinn is rated; some teams will have him higher than others, but nobody is going to move him up 12 spots because he threw very well against air at his pro day.

Lions head coach Rod Marinelli was discussing workouts the other day and talked about two unidentified players. He said one guy looked very stiff during the workouts but then he went back to his playing tape and the kid played very well. Marinelli wasn't going to downgrade the player because of his average workout effort. Another player had a great workout and showed excellent speed but, once Marinelli viewed the game tapes, that speed and athleticism never revealed itself. As a result, Marinelli wasn't going to upgrade the player because of the stellar workout numbers. In the end, the game tapes always carry the most weight -- which is why the draft boards are fairly established early on.

While it's rare for players to make huge strides up the draft board, it's much more common for players to plummet. There are two reasons for this: medical history and personal issues. If a physical reveals a lot of previous damage or existing conditions, players will be sent spiraling down the draft board (where they'll eventually get drafted by the Lions).

In the case of players with bad character, they're rarely moved down the board because they're just eliminated completely. A player with injury problems might eventually get healthy but a player with a nasty character isn't likely to change his stripes. Those players are taken completely off the board and will never be considered (except in Cincinnati).

So, when you hear about a player moving significantly up or down the draft board based on his pro day workout, it's a pretty safe bet that it's the media scrambling to get a handle on the player's correct value, not the NFL scouts.

 

[NME]

So, when you hear about a player moving significantly up or down the draft board based on his pro day workout, it's a pretty safe bet that it's the media scrambling to get a handle on the player's correct value, not the NFL scouts.

That's for sure.

Seriously, I'd love to read a mock draft that, a couple of weeks ago, had Patrick Willis, who has been considered the best line backer in the draft for months (with all respect to the Timmons contingent here). I suppose Brady Quinn was also going #1 overall and Dwayne Jarrett was the first receiver off the board.

 

[Triumph]

Ignoring what Namless was talking about, I think there's a slight chance we could move up just giving them the 8th pick and one 2nd round pick. If worst comes to worse I think that CJ would be worth both 2nd round picks if you count in the fact that it means that he won't go to Tampa. Also we do have 2 4th round picks this year.

Well, how about swapping 1sts, a 2nd and a 4th then? I don't want to lose both of our 2nd round picks this year, it's a good draft class.

And Nameless, you're retarded. Swapping our first round picks, both seconds this year AND another pick next year? No WR is worth that.