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(ONM) Senran Kagura Burst is damaging the industry - here's how to stop it
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FlyingSaucer
Banned
Nice ^^
Weeeell...
We have had an image, at least. Still a little something more than SMTIV even haven't had ;p
Weeeell...
We have had an image, at least. Still a little something more than SMTIV even haven't had ;p
zerokoolpsx
Member
This is a niche game and its not gonna damage the industry. The game is supposed to be over the top. That's the point. Oh well, more people will google and check it out having the opposite effect. Thanks ONM!
mentallyinept
Banned
Wow, that's... a pretty awkward apology. Then again, their original tweets were pretty awkward too.
GuessMyUserName
Member
Oh good, some more.
rofl
Okay I laughed pretty hard
Mainly because with that avatar, I completely see those words of the second tweet coming out of Mario's mouth.
There's undoubtedly an advantage to reviewing a game that is KNOWN to be coming, and relatively soon. So SMTIV's probably better held off until then.
And yeah, I can admittedly see that for SMTIV. Senran Kagura sounds relatively benign compared to a lot of stuff out there, but it's still kind of exasperating to see. But it's a niche title for a niche audience, I'd actually think (subtly) increasing Lightning's bust was more cause for alarm given that's ostensibly a big AAA game for a broader audience.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
plus peach looks at least 20 years younger than him, who the fuck is he to judge
Oh good, some more.
rofl
We should be thankful. I'm sure they write shitty reviews anyway.
FlyingSaucer
Banned
Agreed - that, and making her into a cosplaying doll. A damning shame for SE.
They gave players a bunch of outfits to choose from, so what the big problem? People wouldn't even be complaining about this if Lightning was male (actually they still would, but for different reasons)
I've been playing the Lightning Returns demo for hours on end and I didn't even notice that. Even if they did I don't see what harm it would cause.
FlyingSaucer
Banned
It's a matter of expectations. As was said earlier, you don't expect the same thing from a niche game and a mainstream one.
Anyway. At least I know which one as the better story and the cutest girls.
People will see this as a weird creepy Japanese thing, not a videogame thing.
The idea can be that they'd do this for a female character but not a male character, though they did do it for Noel as I recall and I almost expect it out of XV given how hung up Nomura is on fashion so in this case it's more how absurd some of those outfits are that's the problem really. Lady Gaga-type stuff there, but beyond those I don't know of too many that are too bad.
Just going by pictures it's hard to tell, and it may well be absent depending on costumes (I imagine the FFXIII one is the same model as the original game), but it's something that comes off as rather base and pandering given their stated intentions. here's Jim Sterling's news story on it and I completely forgot about the jiggling component.
Well, it can be more reflective of acceptance of a problem too if it creeps into areas it wasn't before. No one's going to get offended over breast physics in Dead or Alive that was aware of the series beforehand since that's part of what they sold the game on in the first place, but in a series that wasn't like that in the first place it can be more troubling.
YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT
JESUS CHRIST WHAT A BEAUTIFUL HOMETOWN
But I am a pervy loser
Kai Ozu
Member
Jesus, 100% this.
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
There's such a thing as intended audience; are all movies supposed to capture the entire market?
Nothing wrong with pettanko girls. That's considered a national treasure in certain places :3
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
Too much life in one person is a sin.
FlyingSaucer
Banned
The Internet has popularized the idea that everybody should have an opinion about everything. It's an error.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
No, the internet has popularized the opinion that its possible to have a positive reaction to something ("I like it"), but if you have a negative reaction to it ("that bothers me") then you're somehow in the wrong or whatever bullshit. That is in error
No... "that bothers me" =/= "don't read articles about its release. Try not to Youtube it. Avoid reviews. And certainly don't buy it."
One is trying to acknowledge a problem that someone has with a piece of media. The other is baselessly and senselessly calling for censorship and boycotting.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
Not that I entirely disagree with the overall sentiment since I feel quite a few reactions to things such as Anita's video series seem to misinterpret criticism as attempts at censorship, but unless I read this article wrong this ONM blogger does seem to be legit pushing for nobody to even talk about this game, let alone review it or play it. I would say that goes beyond merely being a negative reaction in this particular situation.
Agreed. Especially for a niche title that still managed to get a T (somehow) in the US it just feels absurd to say that stuff, nevermind how it very clearly ignored that only draws attention to a product.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
You're right in this instance, and the frustration I'm expressing is more about how ever single fucking thread on any topic on anything like this cannot escape the toxic miasma of the eternal chorus of "its just a game man, why do you care?". If something can be cared about because you like it, something can be cared about because you dislike it
Who's saying this? The "it's just a game" argument is a total cop-out on either side, but I don't really see it represented here in any substantive way.
I admittedly agree with this too. I'm not sure EXACTLY how far this game goes but it's not like that monster girl card game on Vita or something like Mugen Souls, and combined with niche status it seems like it's relative small fry in the end. Even something like DoA would be a better target as that aims for being more AAA despite having done that all along.
SocksForWoks
Banned
If you're gonna bash this game for anything, do it for being a download only.
Who cares if its about boobs and butts, I highly doubt it is going to hurt you in anyway.
Who cares if its about boobs and butts, I highly doubt it is going to hurt you in anyway.
So you're saying that it would be delicious if all chests were flat for now on.
Someone should come up with a term for that. I KNOW!
Tasty Smooth Mammories.
If you dislike something (& have a legit reason), that's fine. But there's a difference between "I don't like this" & "I don't like this, therefore no one else should be able to enjoy it." & it seems ONM & that latest reaction are leaning more on the latter.
Too generous in fact
well, "talk about life" has 0 post, make sense
Petit Melon
Member
I dunno, as a girl that's had interests in things with a male dominant fanbase all my life, I expect things like that (sexualized women) and ignore it for the meat of whatever it is.
I have to agree with this. It's still valid outside of gaming websites too. I was reading a column in a local newspaper where the columnist (a movie reviewer) was complaining that SO many people were reviewing movies online on their blog or social media pages and that it was wrong because they didn't have the proper "experience" to review them. In the column somewhere buried in his rant was the source of his outburst, some people had emailed him saying they were disagreeing with one his review!
If the Internet brought something good it's the diverging opinions on different issues but also access to worldwide information. It's unfortunate that if you are against someone's opinion you must automatically be a hater or a troll. These are the kind of people in real life that think you hate them when you don't agree with their views or opinions. I guess a lack of self confidence is at the source of the problem.
This decision about the boobs ninja game reminds me of the controversies that RPS tried to start repeatedly to look better in the public's eye but kind of backfired on them. Still, ONM probably is in a better position here. I mean even the producer of the game implied it was supposed to be a perverted game. I would have to say there are worst game than Senran Kagura though, that Monpiece monstrosity from Idea Factory is much more awful since the characters look like children.
Too generous in fact
I'm assuming the "actual community" consists of nothing more than the dudes who run the site.
Delusibeta
Banned
This is the part where I pop up and point out that Monster Monpiece has a PEGI rating of 12 and Senran Kagura Burst has a PEGI rating of 16. as anyone who noticed the box art on the OP will tell you.
NuclearSpy
Member
Dat 1st post strikes again, and from SmokyDave no less.
Let's give it a rest, people. How you feel about a video game's political correctness as an employee of a developer has no place in the workplace. You are being paid to do a job and if you can't do it because you take what you are working on personally offensive, then you are in the wrong line of work.
To be fair, in the US, SKB is T while Monster Monpiece is M. Still rather strange how the ratings for the games are practically reversed in each country.
ThePeoplesBureau
Member
Assuming this is a Europe focused site that's kind of a moot point over there.
I wonder if that's kind of a mistake actually. They're a general Nintendo site so it's not as if you're covering Sony or Microsoft for some reason that's wholly unrelated to Nintendo, and it's not as if they're CREATING this. I actually think it may be disingenuous to throw out covering a game because part of your base doesn't like it, it's not like you're giving it awards or anything.
Too generous in fact
Well, apparently the ESRB allows self rating for downloadable titles, whereas PEGI doesn't. I don't know if you can still go through the process anyway though, I thought I saw something about XSEED being surprised at a T. Still, everyone has their own calls, which is why you have these cultural gaps in the first place.
I thought this would be a short thread where everybody was like "Oh yeah. Simple. If you don't like it don't buy it. It'll flop, end of story."
But it's actually an opportunity for us to show how creepy and weird we are for 23 pages under the pretext of flouting "censorship".
Which reminds you that the problems with our industry aren't the games, or the game makers. It's actually male teenagers.
But it's actually an opportunity for us to show how creepy and weird we are for 23 pages under the pretext of flouting "censorship".
Which reminds you that the problems with our industry aren't the games, or the game makers. It's actually male teenagers.
Well, when you're advocating not giving the game ANY attention period that comes close to censorship. Or something akin to book burning but more mild anyway since it's not as if you can get the websites pulled down outside of a personal network blocking them.
Though there's the other angle of finding the whole effort to be counter productive. He successfully drew far more attention to the game than it had before, it's a case where being quiet or at least more mild would've been more productive.
Boobs are boobs. Lesser, greater, middling, it makes no difference. The degree is arbitrary, the definition's blurred. If I'm to choose between one boob and another, I'd rather not choose at all.
God forbid we talk about and support games on gaming forum.
