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[Opinion] Amiibo is the worst DLC in the hands of Nintendo
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That's not on the disc you bought homie
LordRaptor
Member
okay so whats the gameshark code to unlock all the DLC outfits in Tekken 7?
Yes the kids are pirating
NOLA_Gaffer
Banned
Co-Op in Shovel Knight doesn't require the amiibo, to my knowledge.
Not true.
Mario Party 10 has an entire game mode behind an Amiibo wall. It got me buying them and now I have nearly 10 of them.
It's definitely DLC by any other means and there should be alternative to get the content for those unable or unwilling to have a cupboard full of the things.
Earthbound64
Banned
You wouldn't download a bear amiibo, would you?
Hispanic! At the Disco
Member
Hey thanks, this thread reminded me to check my mail and I found a majora's mask amiibo!
MatrixMan.EXE
Member
This is kind of dumb. It's content locked behind a series of figurines which Nintendo continuously fail to create ample stock of. Either start ramping up production of these things or allow users to purchase the content elsewhere.
It's the height of incompetence and we've had this issue for over two years now, nearly every time a new line of Amiibo are released.
This is a huge problem. They weren't up for pre-order anywhere here for months, despite being announced a while back. The other day I was browsing Amazon and find out that they were recently up for pre-order there but now all sold out. How am I supposed to know when these things go on sale save for refreshing Amazon all day every day from announcement to release?
kunonabi
Member
A game mode designed around Amiibo usage that wouldn't have been in there otherwise.
Ovek
7Member7
Fuck 'em just get one of those device things that can reprogram itself to clone all the Amiibo if all your interested in is the locked content and not some dumb ass figure.
This content lock out pay wall is fucking gross but it all gets hand waved away because magical Nintendo does it.
This content lock out pay wall is fucking gross but it all gets hand waved away because magical Nintendo does it.
farscape82
Member
Nether is the amiibo.bin data that triggers the unlock. That was reverse engineered.
We both know why GameSharks and Action Replay fell by the wayside these past two generations but those guys that unlocked those SFxT characters a few years back weren't breaking the law. If those Tekken characters are already completed and on the disc but locked behind a code then yeah, unlocking them would be legal.
Lol.
How can you claim that is always true? You couldn't possibly know. And why would you think that is a justification anyway?
woah woah woah what is this?
The stock situation has been shitty in instances. Though this hasn't really seemed to have been a problem until recently with the Zelda series amiibos being unavailable and scalpers matching the difference. I would say Nintendo was caught off-guard by the demand for the older Zelda figures (though they should have known better). It sucks, but it's not like Nintendo isn't working to fix it with new shipments. But since your problem seems to lie particularly in locking game content behind physical merchandise, I'm not quite sure what to tell you. Others have done the same with collector's editions and pre-orders.
I should mention that I'm not actually opposed to including a way for people to pay for amiibo DLC in my previous post. Though thinking on it, implementation might be harder than people are making out. I mean, certainly it would be easy to sell the equipment/Epona from BotW (which I feel is what the majority of people in this thread are talking about), but how do you implement the amiibo functionality of Smash into DLC? Or scanning animal crossing figures in AC to unlock RV's or move in villagers? Not to mention all the games that have daily scans to unlock coins/items/etc. It's not as easy as simply putting an outfit in a shop for much of the amiibo functionality. It's possible, and again I'm not against including some kind of option since physical stock can be limited, but tricky.
See above. Also, amiibos are fun in the same way collectible figures are? Kind of the same way pop figures are and like...half of all nerdy items ever? Not sure where you were going with that.
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
Yes it would because buying the DLC online would mean a lost sale for the figure that Nintendo spent more money for R&D, marketing, production or distribution. It has to be one or the other because having both would eat into Nintendo's bottom line. Plus it would do nothing to quell the "on disc DLC" complaints and in fact would just make them worse because now you aren't even buying a tangible product you didn't even own.
NOLA_Gaffer
Banned
Because a I get a physical item with it.
If I decide in the future I no longer want said item, I'm allowed to resell it.
Microtransactions are a one-way street. Once the publisher gets my money that's it, I have no recourse for resale in the future.
That's why I'm generally not a fan of digital software in the first place; lack of freedom.
I buy amiibo because I like them, that's really about it.
I'm not claiming you are, but some folks act like everyone that buys amiibo is trying to get in on some sort of investment that'll pay off in the future.
Nah I just like some little figures.
but you get a shitty plastic figure, the value!
Seems like nintendo can get away with anything this days
This is how you do it. Maybe buy a few figures here and there that you like but otherwise its powersaves all day.
Alternatively do what Ubisoft is doing with their figurine ship game and have physical and digital versions. Yeah i know trusting Ubisoft to price that stuff accordingly is a bad idea but its possible.
spyroflame0487
Member
See right about now is a real good time for Nintendo to roll out the Amiibo Cards. Originally when they had talked about doing them in addition to the physical figures, I figured it was going to be a great way to offset the cost; it'd be far easier to make the cards than the figures. And surely a store couldn't ever hold 100+ amiibo. But making amiibo card packs (or even just single character packs) would save a lot of shelf space.
The Animal Crossing/Mario Sports series didn't work because of the games attached to them, but I can guarantee that when AC for Switch launches it'll make the cards near impossible to find...but they can at least reprint them and crank them out to the market in a much faster fashion than if they had to do 400+ physical figures. Similarly, I figured this would also work really well for Smash characters, and have the option of putting in alts on different cards, etc.
I think what you'll find from the community is that we love the DLC and the ability to get all sorts of bonuses in different games because we've bought so many of these damn things. I like them because they're a fun little collectible though. I'm used to paying $10-$15 for a shitty Star Wars figure but now you're telling me I can get a neat little figure of one of my favorite Nintendo characters, AND it does stuff in a bunch of different games? Sign me up.
On the outside, obviously those who don't like them or have had trouble finding them probably hate the whole idea of them...which seems clear from this thread and admittedly makes sense. But I think Nintendo can find a solution here that works...or rather they already have one and now its just a matter of if they'll implement it.
The Animal Crossing/Mario Sports series didn't work because of the games attached to them, but I can guarantee that when AC for Switch launches it'll make the cards near impossible to find...but they can at least reprint them and crank them out to the market in a much faster fashion than if they had to do 400+ physical figures. Similarly, I figured this would also work really well for Smash characters, and have the option of putting in alts on different cards, etc.
I think what you'll find from the community is that we love the DLC and the ability to get all sorts of bonuses in different games because we've bought so many of these damn things. I like them because they're a fun little collectible though. I'm used to paying $10-$15 for a shitty Star Wars figure but now you're telling me I can get a neat little figure of one of my favorite Nintendo characters, AND it does stuff in a bunch of different games? Sign me up.
On the outside, obviously those who don't like them or have had trouble finding them probably hate the whole idea of them...which seems clear from this thread and admittedly makes sense. But I think Nintendo can find a solution here that works...or rather they already have one and now its just a matter of if they'll implement it.
LordRaptor
Member
The DMCA - by virtue of being newer - supercedes Galoob vs Nintendo, and no, bypassing DRM for the sole purpose of breaking a copyright holders rights is not 'legal', or even morally justifiable.
If you don't like Amiibos - for any reason - don't fucking buy them.
There is zero legal or moral ground to stand upon where flashing rewritable NFC chips with cloned copyrighted code to get free stuff is defensible.
Side-note: Will rabids be the first non-first party amiiibo's?
Personally I buy the ones i fancy and call it a day. I don't even think i've unlocked a single costume in MK with them. I too am one who view it as a perk for investing in amiibo more so than physical DLC, even though it's exactly what it is. I guess these days I don't feel the "need" to have extra content in a game to validate it. In most cases there is more than enough content in ninty games that give me my money's worth.
On the flip side, to those who still have that desire, i'm sorry. It sucks because it only benefits the collectors who get every one.
On the flip side, to those who still have that desire, i'm sorry. It sucks because it only benefits the collectors who get every one.
You DON'T want this on your shelf??
No, but I do want:
Like, come on man. Amiibos are consistently high quality figures.
Shovel Knight?
arturo2666
Banned
They've put out amiibos for the 3rd party characters in Smash
You're right, forgot about Shovel Knight
That's still a first party game though
I ignored them for a long time and almost bought some for BotW, but decided to go the route of Datel's device to duplicate the amiibo data. I am not paying NIntendo that kind of money for a figure to get content on a game that should have either been included or offered as a DLC-esque download / unlock code.
So it's an impasse. Much of the value of the Amiibo is derived from what it is, not necessarily what it does and that sort of physical reality model likely drives how they approach it. The physical/digital entanglement is the product they are selling, not the perceived content. It's a new type of hybrid product that doesn't currently fit cleanly in existing models of either physical or digital products.
off duty ninja
Member
After reading through this thread I believe that releasing the amiibo content through DLC microtransactions wouldn't hurt amiibo sales at all. Everybody in here arguing against it keeps saying that the fun is in collecting them and not the content itself.
On the other side are all of us who hate collectibles and love content. We will not buy amiibo and Nintendo is losing money from us because we likely would pay a couple of bucks for an in game item that we want or find aesthetically pleasing.
I also can't believe that people still give Nintendo a pass on their artificial scarcity bullshit. Name one product that Nintendo has released that wasn't extremely difficult to find for the average consumer...
Still waiting...
Clearly this isn't that Nintendo is so incompetent that they continually underestimate their value but rather a business decision that they make to drive up demand. It has worked well for them and their fans always give them a pass so why not continue it?
On the other side are all of us who hate collectibles and love content. We will not buy amiibo and Nintendo is losing money from us because we likely would pay a couple of bucks for an in game item that we want or find aesthetically pleasing.
I also can't believe that people still give Nintendo a pass on their artificial scarcity bullshit. Name one product that Nintendo has released that wasn't extremely difficult to find for the average consumer...
Still waiting...
Clearly this isn't that Nintendo is so incompetent that they continually underestimate their value but rather a business decision that they make to drive up demand. It has worked well for them and their fans always give them a pass so why not continue it?
ViolentP
Member
As a business move it makes sense, not arguing that much. On the consumer level however, it sucks that a piece of content that one may be interested in is unattainable unless they purchase something they have no interest in.
They are not readily available right now...especially the newest Welcome Amiibo cards for AC.
Shovel Knight and Monster Hunter
And THEORICALY Sonic, Cloud, Bayonetta, Ryu, Megaman and Pacman
Now give us realistic ideas of price that you would gladly pay for amiibo content in games
I love the idea of amiibo but the scampers really put my off them. I'd love to have all 18 of the zelda ones but the cost of them is just too much. I love the home made zelda cards that people are selling and would buy them from Nintendo in a heart beat. Shame they won't do it. I'd even buy blind bags of them like football stickers if they offered them!
NOLA_Gaffer
Banned
I don't think we're getting Rabbids amiibo with Ubisoft making their own figures.
shouamabane
Member
off duty ninja
Member
I did? A couple bucks. Even if it wasn't available at an amount I would want to pay at least they are giving me the option since I really don't care about collectible statues.
Jubenhimer
Member
Really, We're still on this? Look, amiibo shortages suck, and it can be annoying to try and scavange for the ones you really want. But calling them "the worst DLC in the hands of Nintendo" is nonsense. Most of the content locked behind amiibo is non-essential stuff like costumes and shortcuts that you don't actually need to complete or even enjoy the game. Now if they start locking important story elements or essentail levels behind amiibo, you'd have a point. But amiibo is nothing more than a tool, so don't blame the tool for that, blame the person using it. So far, Nintendo has done a decent job with keeping amiibo content fair, and non-essential. You can enjoy and fully complete Breath of the Wild for example without using a single amiibo. Also in the case of games like Zelda having a dungeon behind an amiibo. In those cases, the game usually comes with the amiibo you need. So really, there's no reason to complain in that case. If it doesn't come with the amiibo, then yeah it'd suck.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
From the complete bottom of my heart:
Fuck the whole idea of a physical product unlocking digital content in an video game.
There have already been cases where I wanted the amiibo unlock but ugh oh my god I hate buying toys. Genuinely the thing I've hated the most in this godforsaken industry.
Fuck the whole idea of a physical product unlocking digital content in an video game.
There have already been cases where I wanted the amiibo unlock but ugh oh my god I hate buying toys. Genuinely the thing I've hated the most in this godforsaken industry.
Allan Holdsworth
Member
There's plenty of content locked behind amiibo lately in Nintendo games. Whether it's essential or not is subjective, but they really should take a hint from their own Mario Maker where everything can be unlocked without them (I think...).
Big Mushroom is amiibo exclusive, unfortunately.
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