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[KingT731]

This paired with the commitment to Gamepass by publishers like EA tell me that Gamepass is doing muuuuuch better behind the scenes than we even realize.

I know Microsoft has money to throw at alot of problems but this seems like more than that.

See this a yes and no type of deal. We know the Devs/Publishers are getting paid (some have spoken about it already). As we don't know how much they are paying out (be it flat rates, performance based or both) and we don't know how the value to gamepass is determined.

At the end of the day we're looking the business side of these deals. So how much they are willing to spend would have many variables...especially in the long term (see : loss leader strategy employed by many services)

 

[Concern]

I take it you class Days Gone as an Indie game then?

Why are you guys entertaining the trolls? This thread is about it coming to gamepass.


Now they wanna derail downplaying the quality of the game. Yet none of them were saying anything in the demo thread

 

[itsjustJEFF]

Does this mean that Microsoft will be buying Square Enix... on Wednesday?

All the trailers for it looked pretty damn cool. I downloaded the demo and played it for about 5-10 minutes... got distracted and never went back. I sometimes make snap decisions LOL i'll be keeping an eye on the game around release/at release.

 

[Stuart360]

Days Gone is AAA.

Its made by a small studio with Sony's money behind it. Just like Outriders is made by a smallish studio with Square Enix money behind it.
If we go by your definition, probably 70% of AAA games are really Indie as smaller studios often make them and are bankrolled by the publisher.
If Square Enix spent say 50mil on Outriders, its a AAA game, even if it was made by one developer who took 50 years to make it.

 

[Timberwolf25]

Good news...my friends on the fence on buying it are all on board to put in time with it now.

 

[driqe]

I preordered this already, rip me

 

[Nikana]

Does this mean that Microsoft will be buying Square Enix... on Wednesday?

All the trailers for it looked pretty damn cool. I downloaded the demo and played it for about 5-10 minutes... got distracted and never went back. I sometimes make snap decisions LOL i'll be keeping an eye on the game around release/at release.

Sega Wednesday, Square Enix Thursday, the world Friday.

 

[ethomaz]

Its made by a small studio with Sony's money behind it. Just like Outriders is made by a smallish studio with Square Enix money behind it.
If we go by your definition, probably 70% of AAA games are really Indie as smaller studios often make them and are bankrolled by the publisher.
If Square Enix spent say 50mil on Outriders, its a AAA game, even if it was made by one developer who took 50 years to make it.

Indeed any game with budget of $50m is AAA.
It is not the Outriders case lol

Now they wanna derail downplaying the quality of the game. Yet none of them were saying anything in the demo thread

AAA has nothing to do with quality but budget.
A low budget game can have better quality than a AAA one... and vice versa.

 

[Nikana]

I preordered this already, rip me

You can cancel it.

 

[Andodalf]

Sega Wednesday, Square Enix Thursday, the world Friday.

People can Fly was actually rumored as an Acquisition target before

 

[Stuart360]

Indeed any game with budget of $50m is AAA.

It is not the Outriders case lol

Well i was being hypothetical with the price, but if you know the budget then tell us. Square Enix behind it, 4+ years of development, we are going to be talking tens of millions here.
I think the whole Indie thing needs to be reclassified anyway. Valheim is one of the biggest games on the planet at the momemnt, and would be a huge deal if Gamepass got it. You couldnt exactly say 'oh its just an Indie though and doesnt mean anything' could you.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Indeed any game with budget of $50m is AAA.
It is not the Outriders case lol



AAA has nothing to do with quality but budget.

I know you're just derailing the thread, but Outriders has been in development for over 5 years and over 200 people are working on it. It's an AAA game.

 

[CatLady]

That is a Pleople Can Fly game... not AAA third party.
There are several indie games day one on Gamepass.

BTW it looks weird to have different games on Gamepass PC and Xbox.

The thing I like about you is you never fail to entertain.

 

[driqe]

Indeed any game with budget of $50m is AAA.
It is not the Outriders case lol

Microsoft started hinting that a game that sounded suspiciously similar to Outriders would be coming to Xbox Game Pass. But as this is an AAA game from a third-party developer published by Square Enix, it didn't make much sense as it almost sounded to good to be true.

Outriders confirmed for Xbox Game Pass on day 1 (gamereactor.eu)

???

 

[Chukhopops]

This is very true, which would in turn not surprise me that other "MMO-Lite" new franchises take this same approach in the future.

I think the same because with this style of game you either take off immediately or die (Avengers, Anthem). Going for GP or PS+ ensures you get a bit of traction.

I think this decision was made after looking at pre-orders and demo player numbers but I can’t know for sure.

 

[Antony1992]

Ms keeps delivering and sonygaf dumb.

 

[Stuart360]

I know you're just derailing the thread, but Outriders has been in development for over 5 years and over 200 people are working on it. It's an AAA game.

Yep thats the very definition of a AAA game.

 

[ethomaz]

Well i was being hypothetical with the price, but if you know the budget then tell us. Square Enix behind it, 4+ years of development, we are going to be talking tens of millions here.
I think the whole Indie thing needs to be reclassified anyway. Valheim is one of the biggest games on the planet at the momemnt, and would be a huge deal if Gamepass got it. You couldnt exactly say 'oh its just an Indie though and doesnt mean anything' could you.

It is not about mean anything or the quality of the game... it is abou games that enter in the Gamepass from 3rd-parties on day one.

If you spend AAA budget on the game you don’t want it on Gamepass on day one because you want to recover that budget first.

Now with non AAA games and Indies it is easier because the budget is smaller and can be recovered in a day one Gamepass deal.

 

[Nikana]

Indeed any game with budget of $50m is AAA.
It is not the Outriders case lol

 

[driqe]

It is not about mean anything or the quality of the game... it is abou games that enter in the Gamepass from 3rd-parties on day one.

If you spend AAA budget on the game you don’t want it on Gamepass on day one because you want to recover that budget first.

Now with non AAA games and Indies it is easier because the budget is smaller and can be recovered in a day one Gamepass deal.

top tier trolling

 

[driqe]

Square Enix bringing games to Game Pass day one but won't even give Xbox a digital-only remaster of a 20 year old game

 

[Concern]

Can a mod explain how all of a sudden people who weren't expressing "concerns" over the games quality or budget in the impressions thread, are now in here with that rather than on topic?

DGrayson Bill O'Rights

All but one of these trolls actually posted in the demo thread

 

[Stuart360]

It is not about mean anything or the quality of the game... it is abou games that enter in the Gamepass from 3rd-parties on day one.

If you spend AAA budget on the game you don’t want it on Gamepass on day one because you want to recover that budget first.

Now with non AAA games and Indies it is easier because the budget is smaller and can be recovered in a day one Gamepass deal.

Do you think Microsoft called in the swat team to the developers families and held them at gunpoint while they signed the deal or something?.
They are obviously being paid a tidy sum that the studio thinks is worth it. Pre-orders for the game have been up 2 or 3 weeks now, they can make an estimate of any money 'lost' by the game being on Gamepass.
Developers dont have to put their games on Gamepass, i dont know why people dont get this.

 

[Deleted member 471617]

Yeah baby!!! First of many to come!!!

Awesome news for me.....I just saved another $50 and was undecided about going digital or physical. Now, I don't have to decide. Hyped!!!

Xbox baby!!!

 

[Jigsaah]

I watched this on Twitch...didn't really grab me. I'll try the demo. At any rate it's great for those who like the game and planned on buying it either day one or eventually.

 

[e&e]

Just...wow!

 

[ethomaz]

Do you think Microsoft called in the swat team to the developers families and held them at gunpoint while they signed the deal or something?.
They are obviously being paid a tidy sum that the studio thinks is worth it. Pre-orders for the game have been up 2 or 3 weeks now, they can make an estimate of any money 'lost' by the game being on Gamepass.
Developers dont have to put their games on Gamepass, i dont know why people dont get this.

That is exactly what I said... 3rd parties accept the deal based in the game budget and how they expected to sell without Gamepass.

Plus they probably saw the Gamepass deal covering the budget and accepted due the exposure of the game... it is working.

 

[PropellerEar]

Can a mod explain how all of a sudden people who weren't expressing "concerns" over the games quality or budget in the impressions thread, are now in here with that rather than on topic?

DGrayson Bill O'Rights

All but one of these trolls actually posted in the demo thread

Don't want to ruin your circle jerk here...
But one of you poke a guy for his opinion then you all cry because he doesn't answer to your liking.

Running to the mods ...classic Concern

On Topic: Nice get for GP

 

[Stuart360]

That is exactly what I said... 3rd parties accept the deal based in the game budget.

Sure they do, why is the game not on PC Gamepass then?

Now off back to the Next Gen thread and laugh about how you got us, like you did last time.

 

[Drewpee]

See this a yes and no type of deal. We know the Devs/Publishers are getting paid (some have spoken about it already). As we don't know how much they are paying out (be it flat rates, performance based or both) and we don't know how the value to gamepass is determined.

At the end of the day we're looking the business side of these deals. So how much they are willing to spend would have many variables...especially in the long term (see : loss leader strategy employed by many services)

I understand the concept of operating at a loss in the short term for long term gains and I'm sure that is part of the strategy, but I still doubt we would have so many big publishers on board just for a short payday if they didn't believe in the service in the long term.

I suspect we are going to see EA and Ubisoft make much bigger commitments to Gamepass in the near future. Not sure what that will look like yet, just seems like the entire industry is behind Gamepass at this point and that doesn't happen just because Microsoft writes a big paycheck.

 

[Concern]

Don't want to ruin your circle jerk here...
But one of you poke a guy for his opinion then you all cry because he doesn't answer to your liking.

Running to the mods ...classic Concern

On Topic: Nice get for GP

No surprise you're oblivious to what your spec thread buddies post lol. Cool story

 

[Bladed Thesis]

Can a mod explain how all of a sudden people who weren't expressing "concerns" over the games quality or budget in the impressions thread, are now in here with that rather than on topic?

DGrayson Bill O'Rights

All but one of these trolls actually posted in the demo thread

He got @'d to come comment.

Now you're mad he came to comment? Also, others are going back and forth with him. It's not like he's just posting endlessly, bashing the game's quality.

 

[AJUMP23]

 

[CatLady]

I watched this on Twitch...didn't really grab me. I'll try the demo. At any rate it's great for those who like the game and planned on buying it either day one or eventually.

I liked the demo but not enough to buy it since I have too many games I want to play at the moment. I was going to play it when it eventually came to GP, but now that it's day 1, it will move ahead of all those other games I want to play.

 

[ethomaz]

Sure they do, why is the game not on PC Gamepass then?

Now off back to the Next Gen thread and laugh about how you got us, like you did last time.

Maybe because the estimate sales on Steam is better than the deal for Gamepass PC?

 

[PropellerEar]

No surprise you're oblivious to what your spec thread buddies post lol. Cool story

You are not self aware at all it seems.
Answer me with DM if you want to continue this discussion.

 

[amstradcpc]

If i were Sony i would ask Square to pay the same amount than MS paid for it and put it free on PS+. That or not published in PSN. Sony cant start happily to finance GP games.

 

[Warnen]

 

[Stuart360]

Maybe because the estimate sales on Steam is better than the deal for Gamepass PC?

Exactly. Too much money on the table regarding the PC version. The deal Microsoft offered them wasnt enough to cover PC in their mind, but was enough to cover what they thought they would shift on the Xbox percentage of Gamepass subs.

Anyway i'd cut the thread derailing if i were you

 

[Concern]

He got @'d to come comment.

Now you're mad he came to comment? Also, others are going back and forth with him. It's not like he's just posting endlessly, bashing the game's quality.

Who got @'d? Mad? Nahhh just pointing out the bullshit.

There's like 6 or 7 trolls here who didn't post in the impressions thread.

 

[Iced Arcade]

well damn

 

[amstradcpc]

Exactly. Too much money on the table regarding the PC version. The deal Microsoft offered them wasnt enough to cover PC in their mind, but was enough to cover what they thought they would shift on the Xbox percentage of Gamepass subs.

Anyway i'd cut the thread derailing if i were you

Yes, and the place with more sales pay 70 dollars for it so that the game get its profit. That way Sony will lose all its customers in litttle time. Or they offer the same to the publisher or Cyberpunk the game, but nobody should pay full price for it now.

 

[THEAP99]

Game will probably be dead with or without gamepass. I did not see anything attractive in that demo I played.

 

[Outrunner]

Another not even good enough to be average game on Game Pass that people didn't give a crap about but now will suddenly be the best thing in gaming because it's on the holy sub.

 

[Umbasaborne]

I see the sony trolls have left their cave in order to screech about the horrors of gamepass and how outriders sucks (its okay tbh)

 

[Gediminas]

you people need to educate yourself what AAA even means.

p.s. the game is not AAA, nor Days Gone was, even if it felt like one.

anyways. it is still a good deal however you look at it. it adds to the value, not taking it from it.

 

[MadchesterManc]

PC GamePass missing out, throw us a bone Microsoft

 

[dorkimoe]

Another one

 

[GymWolf]

Well shit, the first month of GP on pc is 1 euros, great news.

Wait, it's only for xbox and not gamepass on pc?!

 

[Stuart360]

Another not even good enough to be average game on Game Pass that people didn't give a crap about but now will suddenly be the best thing in gaming because it's on the holy sub.

Oh go away with that crap. A lot of people liked the demo in the demo thread. The game has barely left Steams Top 10 since pre-oders went up a few weeks ago. CohhCarnage played the demo for 17 hours, yes 17 hours and wasnt even sponsored. I'm still buying the game even though i just got shafted for having PC Gamepass.