Overwatch adds another LGBTQ Charcter.

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Funny thing is that I was posting myself on previous pages, so what you accuse me of is a bit funny. You must have followed the discussion really carefully if you were not blinded by the gold username :D
Okay, so then because i don't want to insult anyone i'll just assume you were trolling.
 

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Okay, so then because i don't want to insult anyone i'll just assume you were trolling.
Wasn't intended as trolling, I actually think Blizz should just go all in and make the whole Overwatch roster LGBTQ+

It really doesn't matter, since the sexual orientation of the avatars has zero effect on the gameplay. Or they could have a gender-slider like Demon's Souls had.
 
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Wasn't intended as trolling, I actually think Blizz should just go all in and make the whole Overwatch roster LGBTQ+

It really doesn't matter, since the sexual orientation of the avatars has zero effect on the gameplay. Or they could have a gender-slider like Demon's Souls had.
For sure. Lets just make a game where you can pick from any variety off mentally ill characters. Why limit it to just homosexuals?
 
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For sure. Lets just make a game where you can pick from any variety off mentally ill characters. Why limit it to just homosexuals?
How are homosexuals mentally ill when it has been accepted they're not since the 80s, other than being potentially depressed because of scum that spew such bs and otherwise abuse and bully them?
 
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How are homosexuals mentally ill when it has been accepted they're not since at least 1987, other than being potentially depressed because of scum that spew such bs and otherwise abuse and bully them?
You could say that they have a mental abnormality, that they're flawed. That's not being mean, there's clearly some mental level condition whether genetic or not which is driving them away from the natural order of reproduction and sexual attraction.
 
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You could say that they have a mental abnormality, that they're flawed.
You can say it, yes, but you're wrong. Nobody's flawless for sure so you can't single homosexuals as the odd one out because you like it that way.
the World Health Organization (WHO) only removed homosexuality from its ICD classification with the publication of ICD-10 in 1992, although ICD-10 still carries the construct of "ego-dystonic sexual orientation". In this condition, the person is not in doubt about his or her sexual preference, but "wishes it were different because of associated psychological and behavioural disorders".
Stop the bullying and stigmatizing and you stop said disorders. After all, everyone may wish he/she was different in any number of ways but in the end lives with the reality.
 
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You can say it, yes, but you're wrong. Nobody's flawless for sure so you can't single homosexuals as the odd one out because you like it that way.
If you're a man and you're sexually attracted to men, or you're a woman who is sexual attracted to women, or you're either sex and you're not attracted to either you have a mental abnormality, that's a fact. There's a flaw in the makeup of your mental composition.

Don't be offended by reality.
 
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If you're a man and you're sexually attracted to men, or you're a woman who is sexual attracted to women, or you're either sex and you're not attracted to either you have a mental abnormality, that's a fact. There's a flaw in the makeup of your mental composition.

Don't be offended by reality.
Sorry but you don't define what a flaw is or isn't. I'm not offended, you're offended they're normal people and push your opinion as fact trying to be offensive and failing at that but showing you're a douche.
 
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You can't define something that is abnormal as normal. That's a contradiction.
Conversely, your opinions and biases don't define what's normal. It's not a mental disorder in any way shape or form. Fact. Your opinion is irrelevant no matter how many times you repeat it.

If all you can do is repeat it then lol. Good luck in life, don't waste my time :)
 
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all the overwatch characters are LGBTQA++++
Blizzard just hasn't announced it all yet

seriously tho, what a joke....it's pathetic imho that this is a thing now. Overwatch isn't even fun anymore so IDC, go over to the official forums and since the game launched half the threads are LGTBQ threads, it's the weirdest thing
 
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Conversely, your opinions and baises don't define what's normal. It's not a mental disorder in any way shape or form. Fact. Your opinion is irrelevant no matter how many times you repeat it.

If all you can do is repeat it then lol. Good luck in life.
Reality defines normality on the basis of what is and is not common and the function and propagation of a species. And again, I don't care about medical professional pandering which operates on the basis of altering fact if it offends enough people.

Being attracted to the opposite sex is normal, being attracted to the same sex is not. That doesn't mean you're less of human being, or that you should be mistreated, but your mental state and what sexually drives you is not normal.
 
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The thread has gone through a spiral of derails from the OP. Originally it was meant to talk about how much representation is needed to enjoy a game personally for people.
The simple answer is zero. There is no need for representation for anyone to enjoy a game, especially a game like Overwatch. And in games where identification with a character is necessary, compassion from the player is a much more important trait than representation of the player's gender.
 
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The simple answer is zero. There is no need for representation for anyone to enjoy a game, especially a game like Overwatch. And in games where identification with a character is necessary, compassion from the player is a much more important trait than representation of the player's gender.
In your opinion, and you don’t speak for anyone else, especially not for people with different life experiences as you
 
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Everyone who posts these threads knows exactly what they’re doing. This isn’t a gaming thread, it’s a stealth political statement thread.

Pages of people calling non-hetero people “mentally ill” isn’t a gaming discussion.

Man up and be up front about it. You wanted a political discussion and you got one.

Remarkable.
 
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Everyone who posts these threads knows exactly what they’re doing. This isn’t a gaming thread, it’s a stealth political statement thread.

Pages of people calling non-hetero people “mentally ill” isn’t a gaming discussion.

Man up and be up front about it. You wanted a political discussion and you got one.

Remarkable.
The topic is about a video game and a character within it and the socio-political agenda it may/may not be pushing by the developer/publisher. Instead of needlessly whining about the thread, you can instead focus on threads you enjoy and move on.

As an aside:

In your opinion, and you don’t speak for anyone else, especially not for people with different life experiences as you
No shit Captain Obvious, that goes without saying. It is of course his opinion and he doesn't speak for everyone. Your point?
 
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You’re wrong, Claus.

Dead wrong.

This shit just hurts the GAF community in my opinion.

But you GAF Elites don’t agree so fuck me.
GAF Elites? Dude, just stop whining and actually contribute. Not everyone will agree and that is why we have debates and discussion. If you don't like a topic - don't go into it. It really isn't that hard. Participate in threads you like, create new ones that you enjoy. I don't enjoy threads on minute graphical details between Forza and Gran Turismo so I don't participate in them. I don't make snarky, low effort posts insulting them.

Actually put forth effort in your posts. Explain *why* you disagree and less crap like that post and this one:

Which, given their last post in this thread isn't a moved goal post. You do not need to be a millionaire white ninja to enjoy Batman who is a millionaire white ninja. You don't need to be an angry black man to enjoy Mafia 3. You don't need to be an android to enjoy Nier: Automata. What matters is if you can connect to the character through the writing and their emotions, their personality, not superficial shit like their skin colour, gender, or sexual preference. Which is the point that Ascend's last two posts is trying to make.
 
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GAF Elites? Dude, just stop whining and actually contribute. Not everyone will agree and that is why we have debates and discussion. If you don't like a topic - don't go into it. It really isn't that hard. Participate in threads you like, create new ones that you enjoy. I don't enjoy threads on minute graphical details between Forza and Gran Turismo so I don't participate in them. I don't make snarky, low effort posts insulting them.

Actually put forth effort in your posts. Explain *why* you disagree and less crap like that post and this one:



Which, given their last post in this thread isn't a moved goal post. You do not need to be a millionaire white ninja to enjoy Batman who is a millionaire white ninja. You don't need to be an angry black man to enjoy Mafia 3. You don't need to be an android to enjoy Nier: Automata. What matters is if you can connect to the character, not superficial shit like their skin colour, gender, or sexual preference. Which is the point that Ascend's last two posts is trying to make.
I’ve contributed more than you have to this thread.

Enjoy my ignore list. Good riddance
 

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You and all your right wing cronies keep doing what you do on here, sitting behind your computers laughing at all the other peasants who disagree with you.
I'm not right wing, nor are many that participated in this. The fact that you refuse to have a discussion and instead make baseless generalizations such as that and put people on ignore who are trying to have an honest discussion with you because you can't handle differing opinions, just shows how weak your character is.
 
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ENOUGH!

If people don't lay off the personal attacks, thread bans and warnings will be handed out like candy on Halloween.

And I'm not talking about the the good stuff either.
Does making the assertion that non heterosexuals are mentally ill despite all relevant sciences coming to the opposite conclusion count as a personal attack since there can be such people reading here? That's basically telling them they're sick and if only they could accept that then they could sign up for treatment of the cause or the symptoms, or maybe they can at least abstain to avoid the worst of it but hey we're okay if they wanna remain ill and we can't go forcing adults to take their medicine even if we believe they totally should because hey, it is an illness according to random gaffer #92452, or something.
 
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Everyone who posts these threads knows exactly what they’re doing. This isn’t a gaming thread, it’s a stealth political statement thread.

Pages of people calling non-hetero people “mentally ill” isn’t a gaming discussion.

Man up and be up front about it. You wanted a political discussion and you got one.

Remarkable.
Wow. Reaching much.

And you have been possibly the most active person in this thread.

My intent wasn’t anything that you describe. Ridiculous accusation. I asked what is needed as far as representation to enjoy something since I see it discussed here and there. Since I don’t really need any representation to enjoy a game, I asked if others do.

But you have spun some weird narrative in your head that this is a conspiracy for a political debate. You have contributed and kept the derails going.

But you won’t see this anyways.
 

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Does making the assertion that non heterosexuals are mentally ill despite all relevant sciences coming to the opposite conclusion count as a personal attack since there can be such people reading here? That's basically telling them they're sick and if only they could accept that then they could sign up for treatment of the cause or the symptoms, or maybe they can at least abstain to avoid the worst of it but hey we're okay if they wanna remain ill and we can't go forcing adults to take their medicine even if we believe they totally should because hey, it is an illness according to random gaffer #92452, or something.
Use the report feature and we will handle things accordingly.
 
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Don't want to get into a massive debate on all this shit but...

It's only the insecure LGBTQ community who make this a big deal. It's usually them who demonstrate their sexuality and rub it to the faces of others.

There's this assumption that if a character hasn't come out and confirmed their sexuality it automatically means they are straight. You do the same and assume only 2 characters are LGBTQ but how do you know this? Is it confirmed that all the others are straight? Is it because you think straight people don't tend to make their sexuality a big deal (which contradicts your post)?
I do cringe sometimes when LGBT people under the age of 20 project onto fictional characters their own personal desires. Making Sonic characters or Jojo characters trans. But they lack the visible people in their life, there is a distinct lack of LGBT people in fiction, they are a minority it's true but for a long time there has been a lack of representation so now we are starting to get it. Unfortunately it's from corporations who see it as a bonus for diversity points rather than be actually genuine. LGBT people are desperate and there is nothing wrong with them wanting more, it just depends how you go about it.

Bruh, straight people gotta remind you every 5 minutes that they are straight. All the people I work with are straight white men & they gotta tell everyone that they love pussy or talk relationships/gf issues on the regular.

For now yeah, straight is the default for all the other heroes but I assume there will be one or two more amongst them who are not straight and it's not a problem... As long as they release another male hero in the future and certain fans get a black woman like they want. Soldier 76 being gay isn't a major loss or victory for anyone, I just hope Blizzard handles this character with respect. The "masculine" angle of homosexuality is such a hard thing to tackle and do well.
 
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Maybe someone on the board staff needs to write up some rule guidelines for debates bc some of this shit is downright embarrassing.

Bruh, straight people gotta remind you every 5 minutes that they are straight. All the people I work with are straight white men & they gotta tell everyone that they love pussy or talk relationships/gf issues on the regular.
This seems kinda unbelievable to me. I haven't encountered this phenomena, but different folks different strokes?
 
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Maybe someone on the board staff needs to write up some rule guidelines for debates bc some of this shit is downright embarrassing.
I told myself to stay away from this thread and not dig myself any deeper than I already am. If I catch a ban it’s deserved ed, I’ll just have to move on and forget about it.

If I could delete some of my recent posts, I would, but that’s not how it works here and it’s out there.

I got too emotional because in threads like these (PC Gamer Trans, COD Gay, OW Gay) there is majority outstanding, appropriate debate, but mixed in with that debate are downright egregious comments. I’m not calling anyone a bigot, or a homophobe, but a few posts are downright inflammatory and very few people seem to oppose them.

It’s hard for me to sit back and say nothing. Those posts are articulate, and the posters are smarter than me, but that doesn’t change the nature of the content which, in a few cases, seems downright vicious.

This isn’t a “everyone who disagrees with me is a Nazi!” thing. Again, there’s a whole lot of smart, critical discussion here. I’m talking about a few choice posts that seem to always go unopposed. If you need me to find and quote all these posts, I will.

I know we don’t want to be Era. I get it. But there has to be a middle ground between minority bashing and minority pandering, and that middle ground should be standard, fair, civil discussion.

I do stand by one prior statement, and that is the majority of these threads stop being about gaming within a page or two and end up detailing straight into liberal vs conservative clashes for most of the remainder of the discussion. It happened a number of times in the gaming section recently, seemingly more often than I noticed before.

I’ll hold the L here. I know I’m not a valuable contributor here and I didn’t do myself any favors trying to build a rapport within the community, it is what it is. I’m a weird guy. I try no to be but it happens sometimes. I’m probably too sensitive.

It just seems odd to me that console wars and other flaming will get shut down quick but when non-hetero related news gets thrown out there it’s open season. I know it’s the minority, but some posts from the three
big threads recently are straight up near anti-gay propaganda.

As for the main discussion, I guess I just don’t understand why some inclusion in games is okay and uncontested but others are insta protested.

So. Forgive my shitposts. I’m just a dork who lives alone in a small apartment. Don’t mind me.

I’ll try to improve as a contributor. Sincerely.

Sorry for the typo.



Edited for typos and to add stuff I forgot

Edited 2 I just saw the mods posts above

Edit 3: I feel like I killed the thread, sorry

Edit 4: so many typos
 
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As for the main discussion, I guess I just don’t understand why some inclusion in games is okay and uncontested but others are insta protested.
To be absolutely fair, this happens with just about every kind of inclusion these days. It doesn't matter if your character is black or white or straight or gay someone will immediately find their way to twitter or wherever and immediately start shitposting about it. Look at the recent Rimworld drama.

Hell we had people complaining that e3 was still too white and how we don't need anymore white main characters. We had people bitching and moaning about how the black chick in Beyond Good and Evil 2 looks too stereotypical, and I even saw some people whining that she was too attractive. Hell, I still remember people raging that Cassandra was straight in DAI, even attacking people on twitter about it.

Some people live to bitch. It can have this kind of effect on you, that makes you think that there's just a deluge of people who have their terrible ideas shitting everything up everywhere, but that's just not true. Unfortunately we live in a time where the most hateful, vocal minorities get put on blast by social media and journalists giving everyone the idea that this is a bigger problem than it it is. I mean, you gotta get them clicks after all.
 
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I don't understand this constant need of policing thread by some people.
What will happen if nothing is done ? Nothing. People will move on.

As long as there are no personal attacks i don't see why should mods get working here.

As for devs. Their game their choice. Let them do whatever feel like.
If you don't want that, don't buy their games.

I stopped buying blizzard anything right after they shat on D3.
 
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What I wonder is, what the obsession is with gender. You have to actively be looking for representation of your own gender in media, for it to become apparent to you that it's missing. Same applies for different skin colors, plus size etc. etc.
What is so important about someone's own gender, that they need it to be in media? Isn't that supposed to be something personal? My guess is, that because they don't feel accepted in their direct community, they want it portrayed everywhere else, so that indirectly, they can still feel accepted.

I doubt it's truly satisfying in the long run, but I'm not in that position, so...
 
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What I wonder is, what the obsession is with gender. You have to actively be looking for representation of your own gender in media, for it to become apparent to you that it's missing. Same applies for different skin colors, plus size etc. etc.
What is so important about someone's own gender, that they need it to be in media? Isn't that supposed to be something personal? My guess is, that because they don't feel accepted in their direct community, they want it portrayed everywhere else, so that indirectly, they can still feel accepted.

I doubt it's truly satisfying in the long run, but I'm not in that position, so...
Straight people don’t have to look for it, as it’s never missing. I can’t speak for any gay people, I don’t know what it feels like to see things from their perspective, but I can imagine it’s pretty easy to notice what is and isn’t included when it’s your lifestyle as well and that lifestyle is a significant minority.

I think it’s easy for us (straight people) to not undertand why it’s importent to anyone else. It’s not a problem we will ever have to deal with. We’re never going to feel excluded.

Is it satisfying in the long run? I have no idea.

I can understand seeking acceptance in any way one can.
 
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I think it’s easy for us (straight people) to not undertand why it’s importent to anyone else. It’s not a problem we will ever have to deal with. We’re never going to feel excluded.
I don't know if it's never missing... I didn't say see straight people complaining about Tom & Jerry because there wasn't heterosexual representation in it. They probably didn't even think about it, in order to bring it up. Sure, that's a kid's thing, so it's good that it's not there, but there are a lot of kid series/movies that do have it (Lion King for example). And sure, there is a lot of content that does include heterosexual representation, but at this point it seems that if something doesn't include some sort of representation of the queer community, that it is somehow bad or discriminatory. And to me, that's taking it too far.

I also don't agree that heterosexuals will never feel excluded. Why is there such a thing as feminism? Why is there such a thing as an MRA? You might say, "those might be exclusions on gender, but not sexuality", but then there's incels... I don't see incels complaining of not being represented in all media. But the point is... Everyone feels excluded at one time or another. Some more than others... It's when there is some sort of personal escalation, where that exclusion becomes the main focus of one's life, that the need arises to try and institutionalize it for general acceptance. So it really is a personal problem that is trying to patch itself with a societal solution. I doubt it will work.

At least, that's how I see it.
 
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Straight people don’t have to look for it, as it’s never missing. I can’t speak for any gay people, I don’t know what it feels like to see things from their perspective, but I can imagine it’s pretty easy to notice what is and isn’t included when it’s your lifestyle as well and that lifestyle is a significant minority.
What is a gay lifestyle? The main difference between straights and gays is their sexual preference. The sexual preference is only important if you engange with other people and want to have sex with them. That is true for gay and for straight people.

We all have different lifestyles, no matter what our sexual preferences are. Some are more introverted, others are extroverted. People can exhibit their lifestyle through different things like how they dress, through their hobbies, their thinking, how they express generally themselves and many other things. So i will ask you again, why should it be important for people who do not care if you are straight or gay, that you are gay?

No wonder that there are people who get irritated by such behavior, because all to often people don't like other people who are constantly looking for approval and attention, especially if it is something nobody cares about. This has nothing to do with being gay. It has something to do character and integrity.



I think it’s easy for us (straight people) to not undertand why it’s importent to anyone else. It’s not a problem we will ever have to deal with. We’re never going to feel excluded.
Why should anybody care about something, that absolutely does not matter? I just don't care if someone is gay. People have sexual preferences besides sexual orientation and i don't care about that either as long as i don't want to engange with them in romantic relationship or want to fuck with them.

If someone discriminates a gay person or gays in general in a public or private space i'm all in for siding with gay people, but otherwise i don't care if you are gay, short, long, black, white, trans, fat, thin, muscular, dumb or smart.



I can understand seeking acceptance in any way one can.
Fortunately gays are mostly accepted in today's society, which is good. We are not there yet, but it keeps getting better.
Often seeking acceptance has nothing to do with others, but with yourself. Low self-esteem based on some bad experiences, dumb people talking shit about you...all of these things can drag people down. Not just gay people, but everyone. Learn to cope with this, get stronger, improve your confidence and you will never ever again seek for acceptance in your life. Like is said, this has absolutely nothing to do with being gay.
 
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What is a gay lifestyle? The main difference between straights and gays is their sexual preference. The sexual preference is only important if you engange with other people and want to have sex with them. That is true for gay and for straight people.

We all have different lifestyles, no matter what our sexual preferences are. Some are more introverted, others are extroverted. People can exhibit their lifestyle through different things like how they dress, through their hobbies, their thinking, how they express generally themselves and many other things. So i will ask you again, why should it be important for people who do not care if you are straight or gay, that you are gay?

No wonder that there are people who get irritated by such behavior, because all to often people don't like other people who are constantly looking for approval and attention, especially if it is something nobody cares about. This has nothing to do with being gay. It has something to do character and integrity.





Why should anybody care about something, that absolutely does not matter? I just don't care if someone is gay. People have sexual preferences besides sexual orientation and i don't care about that either as long as i don't want to engange with them in romantic relationship or want to fuck with them.

If someone discriminates a gay person or gays in general in a public or private space i'm all in for siding with gay people, but otherwise i don't care if you are gay, short, long, black, white, trans, fat, thin, muscular, dumb or smart.





Fortunately gays are mostly accepted in today's society, which is good. We are not there yet, but it keeps getting better.
Often seeking acceptance has nothing to do with others, but with yourself. Low self-esteem based on some bad experiences, dumb people talking shit about you...all of these things can drag people down. Not just gay people, but everyone. Learn to cope with this, get stronger, improve your confidence and you will never ever again seek for acceptance in your life. Like is said, this has absolutely nothing to do with being gay.

I feel like everything you wrote here has absolutely nothing to do with what I said, other then a possible misuse of the word “lifestyle” although it’s clear what I meant.

I’m talking about why Soldier 76 being gay isn’t a bad thing and why it might matter to gay people to have gay characters in their games.

I have no idea what you’re talking about. Honestly. You basically keep saying “what is that, I don’t care but it seems I care, why does it matter but it clearly matters to me.” If you felt like I attacked your straightness or something then I apologize.

I mean I’m being honest. I truly don’t undertand your point or the direction of your post in regards to gay heroes in videogames. Your post seems focused on semantics.

You also come off as just another “my life experience is all that matters, what does or doesn’t bother me should or shouldn’t bother anyone else” mentality. That’s been in this thread a lot.

The difference is in my posts I admit that I can’t pretend to know for sure how anyone else feels.

I’m not here to pick a fight. Probably best for me to move on. These conversations just become popularity contests who can get the most likes regardless of content or validity.
 
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This is what I was talking about earlier, people project their life experiences and world view on others as if everyone should feel the same way they do. That’s vain.

It reminds me of the sports fans who say “I never heard the N word at the stadium so it never happened!” People enclose themselves in their bubbles.

I don’t speak for anyone else. Neither do you. My only agenda is hoping that people at least tolerate the need and desires of different people, and be willing to make some harmless concessions and compromises, when it comes to silly things like gaming and movies
 
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I’m talking about why Soldier 76 being gay isn’t a bad thing and why it might matter to gay people to have gay characters in their games.
How gay people benefit of soldier 76 being gay? Do you really think, that as toxic as it is overwatch community, that bang each others mothers in chat for wrong pick give a rats ass about lgbt?

It would be a different story if it was RPG game where being woman or being gay could grant some alternative ways to accomplish something, here it's welp he's gay.

I find it annoying it's clearly a PR move by Blizz, they got shit for Diablo mobile, after that COD got shit for adding microtransactions, they do a "look x character is gay!" and lgbt+game press praises them, despite the fact that Blizz using them as a shield. It's not brave, it's not progressive, its normal stop using them.
 
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I feel like everything you wrote here has absolutely nothing to do with what I said, other then a possible misuse of the word “lifestyle” although it’s clear what I meant.

I’m talking about why Soldier 76 being gay isn’t a bad thing and why it might matter to gay people to have gay characters in their games.

I have no idea what you’re talking about. Honestly. You basically keep saying “what is that, I don’t care but it seems I care, why does it matter.” If you felt like I attacked your straightness or something then I apologize.

I mean I’m being honest. I truly don’t undertand your point or the direction of your post in regards to gay heroes in videogames. Your post seems focused on semantics.

You also come off as just another “my life experience is all that matters, what does or doesn’t bother me should or shouldn’t bother anyone else” mentality. That’s been in this thread a lot.
My sole point is that being gay is nothing special and this thread shouldn't even exist.

It's not about "my life experience is all that matter", but about the fact that most people don't care if someone is gay while at the same time people don't like people telling them something about their sexual preference (or any other topic) without even being asked. Nobody likes attention whores. That's all i'm saying.

Most people are not pissed off because of someones sexual preference which they don't care.
Most people are pissed off because people act like attention whores about something they don't care.



The difference is in my posts I admit that I can’t pretend to know for sure how anyone else feels.
Me neither and i never said that.
 
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I don't care where (just far)
So a question regarding the actual story here:

Everytime a non-straight character is added to/revealed in a videogame will it always require someone justify it to you?

Or basically, is this discussion going to be required every single time?
 
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