Not sure why that requires her to be older. They easily could've made her early 30's to be more in line with some of the other characters if they wanted to. Plenty of Physicians are in practice by their late 20's/early 30's.
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Overwatch's Laughably Convenient Ageism / Sexism
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Not sure why that requires her to be older. They easily could've made her early 30's to be more in line with some of the other characters if they wanted to. Plenty of Physicians are in practice by their late 20's/early 30's.
Demoskinos
Member
Except most of the men have "Young" version skins of them. 76, Hanzo and Genji all have them.
1.) Roadhog is not a character that was sexualized by the creators. The design of his character, his written lines, his lore, all depict him as warped, bestial freak whose humanity is gone. A gluttonous, disgusting force. A positive portrayal of overweight people if I ever saw one. s/
2.) a. There's two pages of Roadhog porn on rule34. There's nine pages for Tracer.
b. There is a lot of porn of Spongebob, there's a lot of porn of Toriel from Undertale. Doesn't mean they were characters sexualized by the author.
In baggier outfits. Like seriously Genji is the only one with a nice ass and it's BARELY nice.
Come on man. People just want improvement. It's myopic to say there isn't a sexism problem in the industry.
An improvement in the roster diversity doesn't mean there aren't problems with the games depiction of women.
Not really though? Genji's ass is a pretty big meme and his design is certainly sexy. It's a shame he's basically a fucking robot and the one male with the outfit that shows off his figure. Like imagine the Mass Effect franchise but there's only one girl that has a sexy outfit and it's the robot. and all the men wear yoga pants. There's a divide here.
also Genji is fucking old! He's the reason I said "few" instead of "none" but even then he doesn't qualify as a counter argument to post you all took umbrage with.
edit: yes there is a young Genji skin but it hides his ass and isn't a sexy outfit at all. it's generic neat ninja character.
double edit: same goes for Hanzo.
Being better doesn't make it perfect. That is progress. That is what progress looks like. You can praise it for all it does right and criticize it for what it does wrong. It doesn't have to be all or none.
Praise the lord.
Of course there is, there's sexism problems in all forms of entertainment media unfortunately. I think Overwatch does a pretty damn good job of diversity considering there's only 21 heroes available; on the contrary Dota 2 has 111 heroes, only 17 are female and only 1 of them is a strength hero. The biggest complaint being that there isn't any old women in Overwatch seems to indicate to me that it's done a pretty good job at being diverse thus far with it's limited number of characters. I think this thread's title just rubs me the wrong way, it's pretty hyperbole and suggests the problem is a lot bigger than it currently is in my opinion.
This thread brought to mind a more general question for me. This isn't an excuse about Overwatch, but a question in general: What games feature middle-aged or older women protagonists? I consider the Overwatch characters protagonists because you play as them.
I'm having trouble thinking of any such games, outside of ones with character creators.
I'm having trouble thinking of any such games, outside of ones with character creators.
Also the origin & stuntman Soldier 76 legendary skins all have strategic butt coverings and you're going to say that the slight zipper opening on his stuntman skins are in the same league as Tracer's pants then lmaoooo.
This is a sentence I never thought I would read.
but roadhog is obviously a sexual being by design s/////////////////////
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Ragnorok64
Member
Well I had no idea why Widowmaker was blue until this thread. Is there lore for how she can even be alive much less run around and be highly active on top of that?
MegamanPoweredUP
Member
It's not like I see many grandmas in block busters movies, comics or anime.
The most popular granma in comics is Aunt May. Recent movies made her younger and hotter.
Also last Star Wars iteration featured Carrie Fisher and sort of grandma alien.
There's nothing more.
I honestly don't know why they keep blaming videogames.
The most popular granma in comics is Aunt May. Recent movies made her younger and hotter.
Also last Star Wars iteration featured Carrie Fisher and sort of grandma alien.
There's nothing more.
I honestly don't know why they keep blaming videogames.
Ragnorok64
Member
Everyone's character design and gameplay function kind of line up 1 to 1 with what you'd expect in this game. With the possible curve balls being Lucio being a black guy that loves hockey,and Mei being Chinese (as until I actually played the game I assumed she was Inuit).
What roll would you expect an old woman character design to fulfill? I'd assume some sort of stat boosting support if we're going by obvious archetypes.
Has there been a design already hinted at?
What roll would you expect an old woman character design to fulfill? I'd assume some sort of stat boosting support if we're going by obvious archetypes.
Has there been a design already hinted at?
Finaika
Member
An old woman tank would be awesome.
Gun Animal
Member
a support sniper has been hinted at. Probably a less high-damage widowmaker with some long-range healing or spotting gimmick.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
Lets just say... his chain hook isn't the only thing that is a lot longer than expected.
Sorry this is a late response because I was playing Overwatch but HAHAHAHAHAHA AAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA
HEADS UP MODS. NOT SAFE FOR WORK PICTURES COMING UP
THE MOST OVER THE TOP SEXUALIZED THING IN THE GAME
edit: ALRIGHT BUT SERIOUSLY THO GOING TO SHOW AN ALTERNATE OUTFIT THAT SHOWS MORE SKIN.
YUP THIS SEEMS EVEN MORE SEXUALIZED THAN WIDOWMAKER'S OUTFIT.
HEADS UP MODS. NOT SAFE FOR WORK PICTURES COMING UP
Nothin' at all!
Nothin' at all!
NOTHIN' AT ALL!
TheRedSnifit
Member
Same reason she wears high heels and a swimsuit despite being a completely inhuman sociopath who has no desire to do anything but kill people.
Stupid sexy Reindheart!
ClayKavalier
Banned
Non-ludotypical, huh? That's some impressive jargon.
He might as well take it off tbh :^) (Hanzo is my husbando)
Anyway I do feel like while the game does try to be different and give us diverse characters which is great! But I would really like an older badass female hero. Like Lin Beifong from Legend of Korra? That would be so interesting to see, speaking from my female perspective if that matters. I don't think the female characters are nearly as diverse as the male ones right now but I'm hoping for more cool characters in the future.
SirPinkyNose
Member
Now now there are a lot of Genji butt for you to admire.
Anyway man with long coat seems to be a trope by itself.
Ragnorok64
Member
While anything's possible, what about"old woman" makes you think tank?
To be honest, I don't look at people who are younger and much bigger than me and think 'that guy could take a hundred more bullets to the face than I could!', by the time we are talking about units able to bounce huge amounts of damage, technology and magic seems to solve a lot of fantasy issues. Any normal person in an overwatch arena, whether they are a 20-something bodybuilder or a 70-something lady, isn't going to last long unless they have something up their sleeve.
You could have an older magic user generating wave after wave of magical shields, or she could be piloting a mechanical suit, or have a summoned minion that is the 'tank' while she sits on its shoulder or whatever. 'Tank' classes don't just have to be huge and physically tough, it's that they can aggro and absorb damage that counts, not how they do it.
Is every instance of someone wearing a coat now considered "strategic butt covering"?
Also can't get over how Batman is used as an example.
While I agree, that's a problem with the industry as a whole. I can't really name any playable visibly older female beside the ones in Power Instinct, a very niche and unknown series.
I think OP is being too harsh on Overwatch given its diverse cast with more than a handful of females who are very different from one another. In most cases you either wouldn't get to play as female characters, or they're are very few options that the ageism is not noticeable.
I think OP is being too harsh on Overwatch given its diverse cast with more than a handful of females who are very different from one another. In most cases you either wouldn't get to play as female characters, or they're are very few options that the ageism is not noticeable.
prag16
Banned
I think praising what is good will accomplish more than lambasting what's bad, especially when what's being lambasted is mostly good and only a little bit bad. Because in those situations it's seen by many, rightfully or wrongfully, as petty irrational nitpicking.
Was there a topic praising Overwatch's diversity that surged past 1000 posts? If there was I missed it.
Morrigan Stark
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It's not that Batman has a cape, it's that his cape is magnetically glued to his butt no matter what the wind is like, and you can't ever get a look, whereas Batgirl's isn't and floats conveniently up.
Didn't realize Blizzard was so fragile. We must stop lambasting them to protect their feelings!
That's not really true. At least not in Arkham knight.
And while Batgirl cape is less wide, it's not that much of a difference.
I think it becomes all the more obvious with sexualization in redesigns. When these characters are introduced and these are their default looks, it's not so obvious. If Iron Man got a new suit with was just missing large pieces of armor, it would catch a lot more peoples eyes.
I suppose we should revisit this topic now.
Maybe Blizzard was reading this thread. After all, they took that post about Tracer's butt pose to heart even when the dude was the only one with a problem.
What say you now, GAF?
Maybe Blizzard was reading this thread. After all, they took that post about Tracer's butt pose to heart even when the dude was the only one with a problem.
What say you now, GAF?
BronsonLee
Member
The Rise of Team Mom has begun, obv
SpiceMelange
Member
I really doubt they designed Ana from a gaf thread a month ago. Those things have a long dev cycle and the art was probably made long ago.
While that's probably true, I think this deserves revisiting even if only because Blizzard done gud. Yes?
They really would only have had to remodel the face.
HandsomeCharles
Member
Something like changing a face can take well over a month.
Not to mention they would have needed a new voice actor. This thread had nothing to do with the design.
Ragnorok64
Member
I sincerely hope they aren't taking GAF complaint threads into account when making game design decisions.
Yeah, listening to fans and customers for feedback, how awful. Everyone knows true art is done alone in a locked room with no influence from anyone, ever.
A face would not take "well over a month", their entire monetization scheme revolves around full-body models for every character. Each one of those isn't going to take a year apiece.
It's likely that the masked version of her will be an alternate outfit. And they likely had the face version already, since most masked heroes have an unmasked alt.
It's possible that they changed the design to rid of the mask. Remember that most of the concept art and pre-release imagery we saw of her featured her exclusively wearing it - instead we only got one alternate costume that would feature it and it's of a completely different color than what was initially teased.
I think originally they might have intended on having her be much the same as Reinhardt; masked exterior with the unmasked as alternatives. It probably wasn't hard for them to change the model if that was the initial plan since they'd already have the unmasked version as an initial alternate. Maybe they saw the feedback and figured that it'd be more novel if she just owned the "aged" design for herself since visually there's not many characters in the game being marketed around the fact that they're old. With one of her voice lines it also feels like a cool homage to Fury Road.
Either way all of Ana's costumes are awesome.
HandsomeCharles
Member
I'm not saying it did I'm saying it can. To to write it off as an impossibility is naive and stupid, especially when you take into account to artistic quality of the characters we are speaking about.
Also, whilst we're poking holes: Their monetization strategy does not revolve entirely around selling skins, as the game itself costs money. Also, to that note, we haven't seen any new skins since the game launched (With the exception of Ana).
And yes, one of her Skins has the mask. It's called Shrike.