Compared to Nintendo's other franchises, Zelda may as well be niche.
ah, I see. It had a lot of hype here so I got an impression that it is almost as big as Mario.
Compared to Nintendo's other franchises, Zelda may as well be niche.
"But it's Halo" is also what people said about Halo Wars. Halo fans might be more savvy than the normal COD buyer.
Halo Wars was a very good little game.
I had a better time with Halo Wars than I did with ODST
01 (01) [PS3] Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 (Activision Blizzard)
02 (__) [PS3] Assassin's Creed: Revelations (Ubisoft)
03 (__) [360] The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim (Bethesda Softworks)
01 (01) 360 Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 (Activision Blizzard) ~133,120
02 (__) 360 Assassin's Creed: Revelations (Ubisoft) ~133,280 (The hell?!?)
Aaah, I'm sure BKK will do just a much better work however![]()
Skyrim (360) - <72,000 (62%)
Skyrim (All) - <117,000 (100%)
Skyrim (PS3) - <33,000 (28%)
Skyrim (PC) - <12,000 (10%)
NFS (PS3) - <20,000 (51%)
NFS (ALL) - <39,000 (100%)
NFS (360) - <17,000 (43%)
MJ (WII) - <30,000 (88%)
MJ (ALL) - <35,000 (100%)
MJ (360) - <3,500 (10%)
Lego HP 5-7 (ALL) - <35,000 (100%)
Lego HP 5-7 (Wii) - <11,000 (30%)
Lego HP 5-7 (360) - <10,000 (28%)
Lego HP 5-7 (PS3) - <7,200 (21%)
Lego HP 5-7 (NDS) - <5,200 (15%)
Skylanders (WII) - <12,000 (43%)
Skylanders (ALL) - <28,000 (100%)
Skylanders (360) - <10,000 (36%)
Skylanders (PS3) - <4,800 (17%)
Zumba (WII) - <20,000 (88%)
Zumba (ALL) - <23,000 (88%)
Zumba (360) - <2,300 (10%)
Owch. That has to be one of the worst debuts for a Zelda ever! Legs or not, that's is a major bomb. And Mario did even worse. Nintendo must have really lost mindshare in Europe, big time.
Well, that or it got seriously overshadowed. Either way, Zelda has fallen.
M.I.S said:It certainly made me think twice as although there were some last minute deals, price was the determining factor. You're typically looking at a price of ÂŁ50 with WM+ and ÂŁ35 without (whereas premium games like, say, SMG / SMG2 were both typically ÂŁ30).
I eventually just bought the game for ÂŁ31.50 from Sendit with a dicount code. I "borrowed" the WM+ from somewhere else.
Well deserved. Better game.Halo Anniversary and Zelda outsold by Saints Row The Third (360)?
Disappointing
I...I fear Rayman Origins will be a serious bomb on HD.
Right now, 360 version is in 340th position, while the PS3 one is 320th...and the Wii version is 135th. Rayman saved by Wii?
The HD positions are even more depressing thinking that even Tales of the Abyss on 3DS is 100 positions higher than them.
I agree. Was inevitable really. In this release window as a $60 (beautiful) cutesy platformer.
Hell I even bought Kirby's Epic Yarn as a Christmas present for my gf's younger sister because it was €20 cheaper than Rayman.
I don't think it was inevitable, and I don't think timing will have much to do with the game's bombing (should it bomb), especially if even the Wii version fails to sell. Consumers may have limited amounts of money at any given point in time, but 2D platformers are a rare, yet popular genre (see NSMB) with a different appeal than the type of games being released right now. If the game fails, it will mostly have to do with the game itself not being appealing.
NSMB is more the outlier than the norm and it had a few things going for it that few other games do. I don't think it should be the case but in todays climate selling a 2D platformer as a full retail game is a very tough ask.
Or maybe developers in general just suck at making compelling 2D platformers and giving them the exposure they need (SEGA being the most egregious example, see Sonic 4 and Generations).
I don't really buy this considering nintendos own platformers have struggled to gain any traction (except for the ones that are a seqeul to a previous big selling franchise like mario or DK). Considering the reviews and general response to rayman it's pretty hard to blame it's sales on that.
I think your second point is the reason. Most 2D platformer games are simply given no exposure. I doubt people aren't buying it because of the quality because i doubt people have any idea about how good or bad rayman is (or that it even exists). The fact that it got released in the christmas rush will only help getting it buried where no one will see it.
Sep, 2011Software Units: 4,019,442 (-14%)
1. (1) [360] - 40.0% (1,607,777)
2. (2) [PS3] - 27.1% (1,089,269)
3. (3) [WII] - 12.1% (486,352)
4. (4) [PC] - 11.5% (462,236)
5. (5) [NDS] - 6.6% (265,283)
6. (6) [3DS] - 1.5% (60,291)
7. (7) [PSP] - 1.0% (40,194)
8. (8) [PS2] - 0.2% (8,039)
Software Value: ÂŁ118.3m (-5.2%)
1. (1) [360] - 47.4% (ÂŁ56,074,200)
2. (2) [PS3] - 30.9% (ÂŁ36,554,700)
3. (3) [WII] - 8.4% (ÂŁ9,937,200)
4. (5) [PC] - 7.6% (ÂŁ8,990,800)
5. (4) [NDS] - 3.8% (ÂŁ4,495,400)
6. (6) [3DS] - 1.3% (ÂŁ1,537,900)
7. (7) [PSP] - 0.5% (ÂŁ591,500)
UK Top 10 October, 2011 (Gfk Chart-Track/Enterbrain)
(Oct 02 - Oct 29)
01. [360] FIFA 12 (Electronic Arts) - 249,000
02. [PS3] FIFA 12 (Electronic Arts) - 224,000
03. [360] Battlefield 3 (Electronic Arts) - 214,000
04. [360] Forza Motorsport 4 (Microsoft) - 183,000
05. [360] Batman: Arkham City (Warner Bros. Interactive) - 166,000
06. [PS3] Battlefield 3 (Electronic Arts) - 144,000
07. [PS3] Batman: Arkham City (Warner Bros. Interactive) - 128,000
08. [WII] Just Dance 3 (Ubisoft) - 119,000
09. [PS3] Rage (Bethesda) - 79,000
10. [360] Gears of War 3 (Microsoft) - 61,000
Sep, 2011
Nintendo hasn't made a whole lot of "new" platformers though. Sure, they made a console Wario Land game - a series which they has struggled to create any excitement ever since the last GBA installment - and finally started releasing the Starfy games in the West - which never had any measurable impact in the first place. Apart from that, few developers have tried their hands at the genre this generation, and most if not all of them have been doing it wrong. For some reason Henry Hatsworth and A Boy and his Blob keep jumping to my mind. HH was too complicated for its own good (who wants a platformer that's a puzzle game at the same time?), whereas the original ABAHB was never a particularly successful game on the NES. And then you've got SEGA, who won't put the effort (shitty Sonic 4 in episodic form) or show enough confidence in the series (3D Sonic in Sonic Generations).
A reason. Price is another.
But the core of the problem is and will always be the game itself. I have yet to buy Rayman Origins (I will eventually), but from what I've played, seen and heard, the two main problems IMO (which really are one problem) are that 1) the visuals are not that functional, it's sometimes hard to see where your character is and make out what's what, especially in multiplayer, and 2) the atmosphere feels like a weird departure from classic Rayman (from a sense of wonder to a bunch of teenage weirdos, and the music is all over the place). Both issues stem from the game's art direction.
I'm not saying that the game would sell tons weren't it for those issues, because let's face it Rayman was never quite as successful as Mario, Sonic, Mega Man or Kirby, but I suspect they will limit its sales potential. That said, the game gets kudos for having 4-player co-op and for bringing elements and characters from the original Rayman (albeit with a twisted artstyle, sadly).
And then there's the possibility that those are not that big of an issue and the game will sell decently and I'll eat crow. We'll see.
UK Top 10 October, 2011 (Gfk Chart-Track/Enterbrain)
(Oct 02 - Oct 29)
01. [360] FIFA 12 (Electronic Arts) - 249,000
02. [PS3] FIFA 12 (Electronic Arts) - 224,000
03. [360] Battlefield 3 (Electronic Arts) - 214,000
04. [360] Forza Motorsport 4 (Microsoft) - 183,000
05. [360] Batman: Arkham City (Warner Bros. Interactive) - 166,000
06. [PS3] Battlefield 3 (Electronic Arts) - 144,000
07. [PS3] Batman: Arkham City (Warner Bros. Interactive) - 128,000
08. [WII] Just Dance 3 (Ubisoft) - 119,000
09. [PS3] Rage (Bethesda) - 79,000
10. [360] Gears of War 3 (Microsoft) - 61,000
Sep, 2011
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WK WK% ALL X360% X360 PS3% PS3 PC% PC
43 - 403774 0.53 214000 0.36 144000 0.11 45774
44 0.46 185736 0.53 98440 0.37 68722 0.10 18574
45 0.38 70580 0.49 34584 0.43 30349 0.08 5646
46 0.60 42348 0.50 21174 0.44 18633 0.06 2541
47 0.96 40654
Total 702438 0.52 368198 0.37 261704 0.10 72535
WK WK% ALL X360% X360 PS3% PS3
42 - 198649 0.52 103297 0.41 81446
43 0.48 95352 0.56 53397 0.42 40048
OCT 294000 0.56 166000 0.44 128000
44 0.40 38141 0.54 20596 0.44 16782
45 0.59 22503 0.55 12377 0.44 9901
46 -
Total 354644 0.56 198973 0.44 154683
WK WK% ALL WII% WII X360% X360
41 - 48250 0.92 44390 0.08 3860
42 0.88 42460 0.93 39488 0.07 2972
43 0.88 37365 0.94 35123 0.06 2242
OCT 128074 0.93 119000 0.07 9074
44 0.90 33629 0.93 31275 0.07 2354
45 1.18 39682 0.91 36111 0.09 3571
46 -
Total 201385 0.93 186386 0.07 14999
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3’ (-41%) keeps its grip on top spot for a 3rd consecutive week after launch, a feat predecessor ‘Black Ops’ couldn’t manage last year (denied by Gran Turismo 5).
‘Assassin’s Creed: Revelations’ clings to second place despite a 61% drop in sales, while ‘Saint’s Row: The Third’, up from No4 to No3 (-40%) swaps places with ‘Skyrim’ (-43%) even though both titles are down by similar amounts.
‘FIFA 11’ (+22%) and ‘Just Dance 3’ (+22%) are the only Top 10 titles to increase sales this week with EA’s Christmas football favourite a non-mover at No5 and Ubisoft’s popular dancing sequel up 2 places to No8.
The new releases are coming thick and fast, but nothing on the scale of last week’s ‘Assassin’s Creed: Revelations’ with ‘WWE 12’ the highest new entry at No6 (22% up on THQ’s 2011 title), one place ahead of another chart debutant - Nintendo’s ‘Professor Layton and the Spectre’s Call’ new at No7.
The Top 10 is rounded off by ‘Battlefield 3’ (-4%) down one place to No9 and ‘Super Mario 3D Land’ (-12%), also down one place, to No10.
‘Moshi Monsters: Moshling Zoo’ (+85%) jumps from No18 to No12, boosted by a big ‘Black Friday’ promotion, while ‘Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games’ (+82%) also shoots up the charts, climbing from No20 to No14 with the help of the new blue Wii hardware bundle.
The only other new release to make the Top 40 is Warner’s ‘Lord of the Rings: War in the North’ at No38.
Rayman arrived 23rd in the full price Wii-specific listing, above fellow freshman Kirby's Adventure Wii, left to suck up a meagre 25th place Wii-specific finish.
There is no place for a gorgeous 2D platformer in the UK![]()
Is not that bad for Zelda, considering also that's the combined chart.
Of the 18 games on top of it, only 2 (Layton and Mario are on a single platform); and the rest not only has been great sellers all this years; are also available in multiple ones. Heck, even Halo Anniversary is even lower and that one was right on top of Zelda on the individual ones; but that's also a single platform release vs. multis.
Fifa and Just Dance increased sales while the others mentioned went down. So, for all we know Zelda could've sold 50k last week and 40k this week; be lower but still not that big of a "fall" (at least until some numbers are speculated/out).
Plus as far as I remember, Zelda haven't been as big seller as other Nintendo games. Though, maybe the expectations of "Wii sales", some thought it might do even higher numbers.