Start PC ( Always slower than even the slowest console ) > Start Steam > Launch Game > Tweak Graphical settings > Driver Crash > Reboot PC > Download latest drivers....
My PC boots in roughly 11 seconds. I dare you to do better
Start PC ( Always slower than even the slowest console ) > Start Steam > Launch Game > Tweak Graphical settings > Driver Crash > Reboot PC > Download latest drivers....
Start PC ( Always slower than even the slowest console ) > Start Steam > Launch Game > Tweak Graphical settings > Driver Crash > Reboot PC > Download latest drivers...
Start PC ( Always slower than even the slowest console ) > Start Steam > Launch Game > Tweak Graphical settings > Driver Crash > Reboot PC > Download latest drivers...
The paradise on PC is not in everything being perfect from the start. It's in giving you the opportunity (and responsibility) of making things perfect for you.
PC already running > Drivers update automatically > Steam already running > Latest updates already installed > Launch game > Play game.Start PC ( Always slower than even the slowest console ) > Start Steam > Launch Game > Tweak Graphical settings > Driver Crash > Reboot PC > Download latest drivers...
I've been primarily a pc gamer for about three years now, and while it was awesome in the beginning to be able to play games at 1080p/60 frames a second. My tolerance for the level of bullshit I have to put up with has about run its course. It's not the price of entry, the mouse and keyboard, or playing games at a desk; those issues have already been addressed and largely fixed. It's the constant pc tinkering and general clunkyness that keeps people from pc gaming.
Disabling a keyboard driver to get a game to work, editing ini files and replacing .dll files on a regular basis, certain settings like DX11 or physx breaking a game, windows updates interfering with your game in the middle of a session, limiting certain games to two cores so they don't crash every 10 minutes, poor optimization, games being broken at launch, shitty 3rd party drm, and a whole bunch of other crap that is still common place and shouldn't be tolerated.
I just now reached my breaking point after not being able to progress in Arkham City due to constant crashes during the Mr. Freeze fight. I tried just about every fix I can think of: disable rivatuner-nope, disable D3Doverider-nope, evga precision-nope, restore all default nvida values- nope, update and restore drivers-nope, disable DX11 and physx- nope, and the list goes on and on ad nauesum for about an hour before I just decided to say fuck it, I'm not putting up with this anymore. There goes my money and about 6+ hours worth of play time down the drain. The time I spend to play games shouldn't be taken up with me pulling my hair out just to get a game to function properly, or just work for that matter.
And don't think I'm just being ignorant to the share of issues that plague consoles as well, but at least the only example of a console game I can think of that just flat out refuses to work is Skyrim for the ps3. Spending time to "fix" pc games and deal with the bs is a regular thing for me These issues have really made it hard to decide whether or not I should upgrade, or go ahead with consoles for next gen and for-go the extra bells and whistles with pc gaming.
I truly hope Steam os addresses to fix these issues, otherwise pc gaming will always be a shadow to consoles in terms of public awareness and publisher recognition. I say this as a core pc gamer, and I'm sure I'll get plenty of people playing dumb and telling me how wrong I am, but until people start to really address this and voice concerns, pc gaming will never be something that's taken seriously.
idk why some people are trying to dismiss complaints, as someone who has been playing games on the PC since I was a kid this sort of stuff is indeed frustrating when it comes up. Tinkering to get more performance or mess with graphics settings not available in the client are not the same thing as having to figure why a game will straight up not run or crashing constantly. If I have limited time and just finished downloading a game I don't want to find out I need to look up why the game is crashing. It's happened with skyrim, L4D2, and a few others in the past. I love PC gaming but it is indeed something that has yet to be alleviated much. It's funny this thread came up just as I've run into a crashing bug in arkham origins which I'm trying a myriad of ways to fix because it won't let me advance the game.
The paradise on PC is not in everything being perfect from the start. It's in giving you the opportunity (and responsibility) of making things perfect for you.
This thread is full of great analogies.
This post should have been titled "A non-PC gamer tries to estimate PC game-related issues using terms they've heard"
Start PC ( Always slower than even the slowest console ) > Start Steam > Launch Game > Tweak Graphical settings > Driver Crash > Reboot PC > Download latest drivers...
I mean this is not always the PC Gaming user experience. And, of course, the process you described isn't' always the console user experience. But let me tell you that even in the worst case escenario ( that easily can be the one you posted ) is never close to the bullshit you can go through with a PC. No, not even close.
Nope, I'm right there with you. I don't know what kind of fucked up PCs these other guys are playing on.Are my friends and I the only people who dont have these issues? We buy a game and we run it. If we tinker, its because we want it to run/play better than intended.
Yeah, its fucking infuriating sometimes.
Last night I couldn't connect to Steam on my laptop, tried everything so don't you armchair fucks tell me what I should have done.
No, it's playing games at far better settings than you can on consoles while paying noticeably less for those games. There should be minimal tinkering involved.
If you like handholding get a console.
This post should have been titled "A non-PC gamer tries to estimate PC game-related issues using terms they've heard"
So when game just craps out at the middle of game session I should be fine with it?
This post should be named: GAF Junior Member goes straight @neogafshitspost.
I mean, come on son.
It's dark_prinny. Same shit about PC gaming, different day.
Are my friends and I the only people who dont have these issues? We buy a game and we run it. If we tinker, its because we want it to run/play better than intended.
When shit hits the fan on consoles though (which might happen more rarely, but does happen), you can't do anything about it. Your 80 hour Skyrim save on PS3 will never work well, and you can't fix or replace the component in your RROD 360 which is broken.Sure, and i am glad you admit that it does take effort, but not everyone wants to admit that it does take work and maintenance. It is more time consuming than a console. And when shit hits the fan, and we all know it does hit the fan at some point, it can be a very frustrating experience.
Are my friends and I the only people who dont have these issues? We buy a game and we run it. If we tinker, its because we want it to run/play better than intended.
Start PC ( Always slower than even the slowest console )
That's a personal thing, though. I was playing Civ 5 on my crappy laptop with rock-bottom settings happy as a clam because it was a nice sunny day to sit with my dogs and play games. Sometimes that freedom pays off in ways that don't relate to the biggest and best.
For all the rest quoting my post I was, just like the member I responded, just exageratting What a PC user experience could be sometimes. And I would like to know how much long term PC Gamers are some of the people are assuming I don't know shit about it, but that's for another discussion.
Sure, and i am glad you admit that it does take effort, but not everyone wants to admit that it does take work and maintenance. It is more time consuming than a console. And when shit hits the fan, and we all know it does hit the fan at some point, it can be a very frustrating experience.
What did I fucking SAY?
Of course I tried all that shit, everything, including rebuilding the windows route map via netsh.
Don't try to make out that Steam is trouble-free. it fucking isn't.
When a PC game works without issue and I can enjoy high quality IQ with no fiddling it's great.
But there's still issues. More issues than i've ever seen in years of console gaming. One example. Fez has not once launched without crashing. Regardless of settings, resolution, etc. Mac version works ok but PC version is seemingly permanently broken for me.
Fallout 3 would randomly freeze and crash quite a lot.
Big reason why i'm looking forward to new consoles is to get something closer to PC performance with less quirks.
What did I fucking SAY?
Of course I tried all that shit, everything, including rebuilding the windows route map via netsh.
Don't try to make out that Steam is trouble-free. it fucking isn't.
"But where are the AAA PC exclusives?" you may ask. Well, indeed, those are few and far between but that makes sense, too. Console exclusive games are exclusive because the platform controllers (MS and Sony) are paying developers for their exclusivity; on the PC side, however, there's no one around to do so.
Whatever. He loves Baldur's Gate 2.
Going from a console-only player to a PC was like going from renting an apartment to owning a house. It's more customizable, bigger, nicer looking and spacious, but guess what-- you have to maintain it all, and pay for everything. It's worth it to have one of course, but it's not like it doesn't come with its own set of problems.
I agree, the focus on PC being only for ultra top-end gaming detracts a bit from some strengths of the platform.That's a personal thing, though. I was playing Civ 5 on my crappy laptop with rock-bottom settings happy as a clam because it was a nice sunny day to sit with my dogs and play games. Sometimes that freedom pays off in ways that don't relate to the biggest and best.
I'm honestly surprised, everytime I see him talking about PC gaming he're crapping on it and coming across like he doesn't know a lot. Or has stopped playing on PC right after BG2. I may have missed some posts but this thread doesn't help. At all.
Honestly this is why I never really went for PC gaming
I made a gaming rig a couple years back and can work out problems with games not working correctly but I just can't be bothered to do it as often as I seemed to back then
I love to tinker with my computer itself but when I want to play a game, I just want to play a game as fast as possible
I realize YMMV but this is the main reason why I've never done much on PC's short of RTS and the like
What did I fucking SAY?
Of course I tried all that shit, everything, including rebuilding the windows route map via netsh.
Don't try to make out that Steam is trouble-free. it fucking isn't.