I have to think this isn't actually true. Most gamer's aren't enthusiast and might by a card and just put it in their system but I can't imagine that the majority of pc gamers build their PCs from scratch. Definitely isn't true in my circle of friends (YMMV) even though a few of us build our PCs from scratch the majority bought a gaming prebuilt pc.
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PC shipments showed record decline in Q4 2015
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I have to think this isn't actually true. Most gamer's aren't enthusiast and might by a card and just put it in their system but I can't imagine that the majority of pc gamers build their PCs from scratch. Definitely isn't true in my circle of friends (YMMV) even though a few of us build our PCs from scratch the majority bought a gaming prebuilt pc.
which is now, more than 200 millions activations.
Terbinator
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The thing with the survey is that CPUs with HT only have their native cores measured, which is fine, but in terms of measuring pure hardware grunt I'd say actual computing power out there in the gaming community could be quite inaccurate.
No wonder even Japanese devs want onboard these days.
tiredheadcrab
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This is a joke right? I would guess the number of home built gaming PCs would look like a rounding error compared to prebuilt PC sales.
Anyone have any numbers on this?
TBiddy
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Except that laptops are also counted in these numbers. Besides that, I'm not sure what you're arguing?
Auch. Should've guessed it
Vulcano's assistant
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Probably nvidia
We don't have any hard numbers, but sales of enthusiast hardware have been increasing yoy for essentially the last decade. Opposite to the decline of pre-built PC industry.
10/10 I honestly can't even tell the difference anymore between troll posts and 'PS4 evangelist' on GAF.
-Pyromaniac-
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none, the only evidence we have is that the PC market is completely bombing. That's speculation on my part but it's pretty safe speculation. Most of the people that play those games can do it on any computer. They aren't building rigs just to do it. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a huge subset of players that ONLY play DOTA or LoL and nothing else.
Lactose_Intolerant
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That's because Intel came out with a quad core as their high end for Skylake. There is no point in upgrading to that.
People that buy prebuilt stuff have phones, tablets, a couple years old computer, etc. You don't need to upgrade to use youtube and use office.
People that buy prebuilt stuff have phones, tablets, a couple years old computer, etc. You don't need to upgrade to use youtube and use office.
It's smaller sure, but those are the numbers that are relevant to publishers. The PCs that this report focuses on are office machines or notebooks that wouldn't be able to run DOTA 2 effectively. It really does have as much to do with PC gaming as TV sales have to do with console gaming.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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but iPads declined like ~20% yoy.
texhnolyze
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PC console is declining and now only sell for 300 million units a year.
This thread is hilarious.
This thread is hilarious.
Pretty much any "office PC" bought right now would be able to play DOTA,
Yeah, I'm not sure why people are talking about tablets. That market plateaued and nosedived worse than the OEM PC market in every imaginable way.
Why people are arguing this is not relevant to gaming?
The source is gamesindustry.biz
That said, I don't think the impact on PC gaming will be that big.
Anecdotal of course, but I'm buying a pre build gaming PC later this year when the new nvidia cards hit. Going with a smaller form factor PC from Cyberpowerpc.
I almost bought a Zeus Mini Evo with a i7, 980TI and 32 gigs of DDR4, but decided to wait the new GPUs.
Edit: Guess I'm stupid lazy then...LOL...thank god I have the money to not worry about this stuff.
The source is gamesindustry.biz
That said, I don't think the impact on PC gaming will be that big.
Anecdotal of course, but I'm buying a pre build gaming PC later this year when the new nvidia cards hit. Going with a smaller form factor PC from Cyberpowerpc.
I almost bought a Zeus Mini Evo with a i7, 980TI and 32 gigs of DDR4, but decided to wait the new GPUs.
Edit: Guess I'm stupid lazy then...LOL...thank god I have the money to not worry about this stuff.
Felix Lighter
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PC gaming seemed so strong. I can't believe it was really dying this whole time. At least 300 million a year is still a good number. Still outselling the competition by hundreds of millions. Thanks for keeping your finger on the pulse, viHuGi.
paperspace
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what was the meaning of this thread
It's viHuGi.
The Last One
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What's going on in this thread? Why so many bait posts and damage and control with no reason?
KojiKnight
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This can't be understated... a lot of the typical user isn't necessarily aware or able to update windows, so they often buy whole new PCs just for major Windows releases (several in my family and family friends).
This not only was a free upgrade, it was one that automated everything and was essentially idiot proof, they didn't need to purchase a new system for it.
While it hyperbolic to say 'stupid'... it's perfectly fair to say 'lazy'. Then again, I could build my own custom car if I wasn't 'lazy', so it's all degrees.
Felix Lighter
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I'd love to hear your analysis. Do you think PC gaming is declining along side the prebuilt PC market?
darkinstinct
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Apple is the only one showing growth with macs lol.
That's because they had a huge drop in sales in 2013, something the other companies did not experience. Apple reacted by teaming up with IBM which is now cutting into the sales of office PCs for everyone else.
It's a sales thread. This is how they generally go.
I knew it was going to be shit show as soon as I saw the thread creator.
Hopefully Digitimes will provide an update for the 2015 Graphic Card sales, like they did last year.
Hint: the PC high end videogame market isn't nearly as big as some think it is, and sales shrank 10% in 2014 (the main explanation given for the 2013 boost and subsequent 2014 drop being the rise and fall of bitcoin data mining)
http://digitimes.com/news/a20150126PD204.html
According to them, the top 3 (Asus, Gigabyte and MSI) selling a combined 12m cards in 2014. The top end cards reprenting about 10% of that it seems.
Last year's article was published on the 26th of January, so let's hope we'll see an update shortly.
Hint: the PC high end videogame market isn't nearly as big as some think it is, and sales shrank 10% in 2014 (the main explanation given for the 2013 boost and subsequent 2014 drop being the rise and fall of bitcoin data mining)
http://digitimes.com/news/a20150126PD204.html
According to them, the top 3 (Asus, Gigabyte and MSI) selling a combined 12m cards in 2014. The top end cards reprenting about 10% of that it seems.
Last year's article was published on the 26th of January, so let's hope we'll see an update shortly.
The data is concrete. PC gaming is done for. Buy PS4
It was a fun run. I just spent dozens of hours disassembling my PC, but it had to be done. It's time to move on; I've already applied to become a PlayStation MVP and you should too.
This.
Caayn
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PC people are slowly realizing that it's much better to own a console. Only then will you be able to experience truly great games by the one and only best studio evah Naughty Dog. And get free* indie games each month. And don't forget the exclusive network that offers a premium service, better pay for that.
*After paying a $50 dollar fee each year, and high chance that the game released on other platform(s) last year.
Terbinator
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I can't find an article on it, but I'm sure the last headline figure in regards to gaming GPUs we got was Nvidia sold 10M GK104 chips in less than a year?
The market is not bombing just declining, which is only logical, because your random "I only need Google and Facebook" person is satisfied with a Smartphone/Tablet.
Also most PCs bought in the last few years are good enough for most, the need to upgrade is not how it used to be.
People that work, create and game will always* prefer and buy (or build) a PC/Mac.
The pre-built PC market needs to reinvent itself though.
*for the foreseeable future.
Feels funny because his modus operandi is always exactly the same, comes, drops the bomb and leaves.
Edit: It's worth noting that without this shit threads we wouldnt have this hilarious threads, so its all worth it in the end, like PlayStation™
Baron_Calamity
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For the past decade, I get a prebuilt and then upgrade it. Current on a Dell xps 8500. The two computers before that were Gateways and before that, HP. Most of my other pc gaming friends in real life do something similar. My two sons built their computers but I did that mostly to teach them, there wasn't any real benefit over prebuilt.
What the declining numbers really mean has nothing to do with the popularity of pcs. I think we are in for another global recession.
http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2016/01/12/rbs-warns-sell-everything/
Office equipment orders (which the majority of pc prebuild go towards) are normally the first things to decline after resource commodities (oil) and before asset reduction (employee layoffs)
Concurrent users on steam is probably a better indicator of the health of pc gaming.
What the declining numbers really mean has nothing to do with the popularity of pcs. I think we are in for another global recession.
http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2016/01/12/rbs-warns-sell-everything/
Office equipment orders (which the majority of pc prebuild go towards) are normally the first things to decline after resource commodities (oil) and before asset reduction (employee layoffs)
Concurrent users on steam is probably a better indicator of the health of pc gaming.
We have hardware results which are a lot more relevant to gaming:
http://seekingalpha.com/pr/15266766-nvidia-announces-financial-results-for-third-quarter-fiscal-2016
Maybe he is embarrassed? He certainly looks foolish.
texhnolyze
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It's even more funny that the mods let him get away with that every time.
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