Nightengale
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It's all about the execution. Any game has plenty of tropes, but it's the execution that makes the difference for most of them.
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Persona 5 Famitsu Details
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Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
The bathing scenes were *awful* though.
Much more so when one of them was tied to an awful character as well, hahaha.
Ah well, hopefully Persona 5 avoid such pitfalls.
Not really. Both are related to P3 and P4's overlapping and tiring tropes. I'm just trying to suggest a fresh take with the new characters rather than a retread, which I'm afraid it could actually happen.
I mean I'm talking in terms of sales. Even putting aside GAF's influence, the series sells like a million copies worldwide now in an iteration. That's not huge compared to some franchises, but I'm pretty sure Persona 1 would have been lucky to hit even 50,000 if that in North America back in the day. Now there's a vibrant fanbase sure, but it also does pretty well... at least, as well as a non-Final Fantasy/Dragon Quest jRPG can be expected to do in this day.
And now it's officially one of the most anticipated jRPGs in the upcoming list. I guess the competition isn't that big but still I'm happy to live in this Universe
StarSketch
Banned
To be honest, most ppeople seem to agree with you. I don't think I've seen ANYONE who thinks the bath scene was good here. Maybe it went over well in Japan, but...
Nightengale
Member
There's highs and lows. Even stuff that weren't necessarily bad, some are more tropey and 'anime' than others.
The implicit ban on the word "waifu" definitely did wonders for this thread (and it's predecessors) so I definitely don't want to see that crap in the P5 OT. If you're fond of a particular female character, then express said fondness without using reductive words like "waifu."
I still can't believe that the devs decided that P4 needed a second one of those scenes for Golden. For a franchise that's done so well at breaking molds, stereotypes, and expectations, the constant reuse of that one "joke" is a bit baffling.
I do hope P5 eases up on that kind of stuff, or at least is more clever about it.
It doesn't help that the mainline megami tensei series only got started with Nocturne in the US.
That's PS2.
Nightengale
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While it's true that Persona does well to break expectations and overall, deliver a package that's beyond the stereotype, I don't know about "breaking the mold." Even in the vanilla P4, there's a lot of scenes that feels like they're cut out of your generic highschool rom-com, but the difference is that they don't shove it down your throat so much.
And with such scenes, alas, there's some that are handled more elegantly than others.
tringworldso
Member
If that's the case then I guess it's interesting. Maybe the costumes might evolve or can be changed. It's actually funny how DC has de-sexualized the comic version of Catwoman so it was a bit jarring to see this 90's catwoman again.
But that's a nice catch. On my 5th viewing of the trailer right now did I pay attention to the fox who I always thought was the cat for some reason lol...
AmethystEnd
Member
Persona 5 challenge run, Fox only, no items.
DryEyeRelief
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TheOnePercent
Member
Wasn't mysterious fox in P4 female?
Hmm...
Hmm...
Yeah. Those were awful.
I had two problems with the game.
- Those scenes. Their anime cutscene parts especially. They didn't fit with the rest of the game.
- Those investigations right before dungeons. Or at least the execution of those. And then getting into the dungeons, they would've been better if they were like Persona Q's, with also randomly generated places, which is basically what P5 seems to be doing.
I loved everything else about the game though, so of course it is one of my all-time favourites. I had a couple of problems with other masterpieces too. No game this big is perfect enough to be 100% tailored for a specific player's tastes.
Fox is going to be super mysterious husbando that I choose to date because he's rad and super awesome and he's trying to be the moral center of this group.
"Stop robbing these stores of diamonds, protagonist! For some reason there's some psychopathic night world where we can fight monsters instead! And it's related to your guilt for committing these crimes and your fear of going to prison over it! Eh! EH!"
AmethystEnd
Member
But he reluctantly helps and is super useful in heists. OP.
With info we've been given about the themes and characters, those make sense.
Fuck the Fox is so rad. I want to
AmethystEnd
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Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
The fox is generally the trickster.
The magazines release on Thursdays, so there'll be scans and stuff up in 8 hours at the latest, when it hits midnight in Japan. There likely won't be any new P5 info (including PlayStation Dengeki), aside from maybe some new screenshots. New stuff to expect from the Famitsu issue:
- Character introductions for Teddie, Chie and Kanji. (P4D)
- Mini interview with producer and director Kazuhisa Wada (P4D)
- Six page feature (P4D)
- New screenshots (P5)
This sounds like a name for one of those Sonic OCs.
eyeball_kid
Member
Ah okay, I thought the details that were released in this thread were just pre-interview teases, and not the real interview.
vas_a_morir
Banned
15-20 years ago, this may have been the case, but not any more. Like most other famous Tokyo spots, rising property values have pushed independent business out and corporations have taken over, effectively making a lot of formerly interesting areas rather indistinguishable from one another. Presuming you are an American and not younger than 20 years old, think of it like Times Square in the 70's/80s/90s vs. Times Square post-Giuliani.
Not trying to say it's not an interesting spot as a busy area, but I don't think the location is as interesting or full of unique character as rural Japan was. But then again, you can't do the same thing twice. West Tokyo or Bukyo-ku might have been more interesting, IMO.
I fear it will have that 'too cool for school' phony feel of Persona 3, where they had to give all the social links crazy fucked-up problems to add a sense of depth to the characters, but it ramped up way too fast.
SL lvl 1: Oh man, i hope I am able to win this big swim race!
SL lvl 7: My step-dad is touching my little brother, but my Mom is sick and needs his financial support to go on.
I'm like 'damn, bruh. I just wanted to be your swim buddy. you need to call the police.' lol Much more grounded, real-world problems that a teen might have in P4. Makes it infinitely better.
OH, and the social links were so confusing as to what the right decision is.
SL: "Senpai, how do you think my new dress looks?"
1. It makes you look very classy!
2. Who gives a fuck you stupid cunt.
(picks option 1)
SL: "Oh, so you are saying I don't have any class, right? Just get out of my sight!" *Card turns upside down*
Still pissed off over what a horrible horrible human being Yukari turned out to be after I was thirsting after her all semester-long. Every rose has its thorn, I guess.
eyeball_kid
Member
Corporations taken over seems to fit right in with the hunched-over salarymen in the trailer and the themes of life weighing people down. I think the style will probably be more focused on the characters (i.e. how they're breaking out and rebelling against the normalcy and bleakness of society) and not the locations in this game.
vas_a_morir
Banned
Shibuya has so many attractions because it has been the central hub for West Tokyo residents commuting into Central Tokyo. Most of the businessmen you see are likely just changing trains to go to work in other parts of the city. I'm telling you, Shibuya isn't even interesting in a 'wow what an oppressive place' kinda way, lol!
But, I think you are right on the money there with the theme. "Fitting in" while rebelling unbeknownst to the rest of the squares/drones out there.
Everything is dripping with tropes, since tropes are tools applied for story telling.
Aren't you the guy making the case for waifu talk? I'm not particularly fond of the bath scenes from any angle myself, but it's funny they seem to such an issue for you. A page ago I would've guessed that kind of thing was right up your alley.
Have you played any of the other Personas? FES is the only Persona game where I feel the UI is clunky and sluggish as hell. The UI in Portable, 4G (maybe 4?), Q etc is really snappy and quick. I love it and it's a big reason why I can't drag myself through FES.
Stone Ocean
Member
So tsundere
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
....what is that supposed to mean?
Are you saying that I am the kind of lowest denominator pervert that would masturbate furiously to the kind of fanservice like that?
Alright then.
I blame your avatar.
If that's the case then I guess it's interesting. Maybe the costumes might evolve or can be changed. It's actually funny how DC has de-sexualized the comic version of Catwoman so it was a bit jarring to see this 90's catwoman again.
But that's a nice catch. On my 5th viewing of the trailer right now did I pay attention to the fox who I always thought was the cat for some reason lol...
It would be surprising if they didn't make changing outfits a thing after P3P, P3 FES, P4G all added it.
Actually, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that clothes will be Atlus's DLC that people are worried will mimic SMT IV. I suppose it's more like Persona 4 arena's glasses packs.
The trailer already confirmed alternate clothing as an option separate from equipment, actually.
Eudaemonium
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Assuming you mean the Pyro Jack/Sandman, I think they're the enemies.
no I mean Arsene, the main character's Persona.
Akhe
Member
No doubt I will like it but I just want "that" plus, If you know what I mean
= D
rockman zx
Member
Arsene looks awesome with those black wings.
Stone Ocean
Member
Yeah, his entire design is fucking slick.
I really like the Soejima artwork of the MC too.
kenji_sama
Member
DAT ASRENE 0.0 ! The battle screens look amazing.
ColossalLazy
Member
Arsene looks awesome. Dat long top hat lol.