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Persona 5 - PV 04 [New Trailer]

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I absolutely love 99% of the UI elements and style, but I'm not entirely sold on the actual battle UI. Looks a bit busy for my tastes.
 
I just don't find the game appealing to me.

I'm a huge Persona fan, and this just doesn't look like Persona to me.

Is this how old Final Fantasy fans felt when FFVII came out? It just looks like a completely different franchise to me, to the point where I'm barely interested in getting it. SMT 4 Final is more my speed.
 
You're right. I was just putting that out there as a possible criticism. I know at least one pro graphic designer on GAF who isn't too keen on it, either.

Still, I think the design's doing exactly what it set out to do. It's a mess, but a deliberate one. We don't need persistent reminders of the controls when on the field, though. They can apparently auto-hide, but I don't know what triggers it.
Yeah I getcha, if you're prioritizing for user experience a la most applications this treatment wouldn't really fly at all.

The other cool thing (which was noted in the previous trailers) is the absolutely great animation detail being packed into the UI. Compare this game to most other RPGs where you spend a large amount of time staring at static rectangular UI and you'll come to appreciate the work that went into the animations for the UI alone which adds a level of energy on top of the game itself.
 
The Goldilocks persona better not suck. Sending an army of suicide bomber teddy bears to kill demons is the best attack in any RPG.

I just don't find the game appealing to me.

I'm a huge Persona fan, and this just doesn't look like Persona to me.

Is this how old Final Fantasy fans felt when FFVII came out? It just looks like a completely different franchise to me, to the point where I'm barely interested in getting it. SMT 4 Final is more my speed.

You're feeling what a lot of Persona fans felt going from 2 to 3.
 
^That is Alice and she is usually OP in every single Megaten game she has been in.

I just don't find the game appealing to me.

I'm a huge Persona fan, and this just doesn't look like Persona to me.

Is this how old Final Fantasy fans felt when FFVII came out? It just looks like a completely different franchise to me, to the point where I'm barely interested in getting it. SMT 4 Final is more my speed.

This just shows me they were really true to what they said about how P5 would feel like another shift like P1/2 to P3/4. As a long time Persona fan, I felt really alienated when Persona 3 came out, though after I ended up loving P4 I gave P3 another shot and ended up liking it.
 
^That is Alice and she is usually OP in every single Megaten game she has been in.



This just shows me they were really true to what they said about how P5 would feel like another shift like P1/2 to P3/4. As a long time Persona fan, I felt really alienated when Persona 3 came out, though after I ended up loving P4 I gave P3 another shot and ended up liking it.

I feel like sure, P3 was different, but it still felt like Persona to me. This looks like they've gone full on anime. When I think of Persona, I think of like, pulp horror mixed with jrpg. I'm not getting this vibe at all from these trailers and it's actively turning me off of the game. Maybe the actual game is good. I'm willing to give it a chance.
 
I feel like sure, P3 was different, but it still felt like Persona to me. This looks like they've gone full on anime. When I think of Persona, I think of like, pulp horror mixed with jrpg. I'm not getting this vibe at all from these trailers and it's actively turning me off of the game. Maybe the actual game is good. I'm willing to give it a chance.

In P3 we got a child, a robot, and an actual fucking dog in the party.

Persona is just now going "full anime"?
 
I feel like sure, P3 was different, but it still felt like Persona to me. This looks like they've gone full on anime. When I think of Persona, I think of like, pulp horror mixed with jrpg. I'm not getting this vibe at all from these trailers and it's actively turning me off of the game. Maybe the actual game is good. I'm willing to give it a chance.

What did you think of p4 out of curiosity? That felt more light hearted and anime than p5 so far imo.

In P3 we got a child, a robot, and an actual fucking dog in the party.

Persona is just now going "full anime"?

Also a very good point.
 
I feel like sure, P3 was different, but it still felt like Persona to me. This looks like they've gone full on anime. When I think of Persona, I think of like, pulp horror mixed with jrpg. I'm not getting this vibe at all from these trailers and it's actively turning me off of the game. Maybe the actual game is good. I'm willing to give it a chance.

Well P4 had nothing like that in it either. This looks less anime than P4 to me.

People are thinking Sakura Futabu.

That's an unfortunate name.
 
I feel like sure, P3 was different, but it still felt like Persona to me. This looks like they've gone full on anime. When I think of Persona, I think of like, pulp horror mixed with jrpg. I'm not getting this vibe at all from these trailers and it's actively turning me off of the game. Maybe the actual game is good. I'm willing to give it a chance.
As a guy who still likes P1 and P2 I think looking at the Persona franchise now as more of an anthology series, sharing some narrative and thematic elements, but with each game taking on a different tone or expression that gives it a unique identity among the others lets you enjoy each game without being too shackled by expectation.
 
In P3 we got a child, a robot, and an actual fucking dog in the party.

Persona is just now going "full anime"?

I'm not saying Persona hasn't had anime influences before. On the contrary. It has had them since its birth as a more mainstream targeted MegaTen.

But it also had MegaTen elements in it, from horror stories to murder mysteries. In P3, you shoot yourself in the head with an Evoker to summon a Persona. There's a morbidness to Persona despite the glitz, despite the flash, that lays under its MegaTen influenced trappings. Persona has ultimately, always had a huge horror influence, even 3 and 4.

And I'm just not getting that here. It barely looks recognizable from its MegaTen influences at this point.
 
I feel like sure, P3 was different, but it still felt like Persona to me. This looks like they've gone full on anime. When I think of Persona, I think of like, pulp horror mixed with jrpg. I'm not getting this vibe at all from these trailers and it's actively turning me off of the game. Maybe the actual game is good. I'm willing to give it a chance.

Horror elements are still present. You've seen that dude in robes transforming? Looked like something out of Fatal Frame. Not to mention the still heavy focus on the demons.
 
I'm not saying Persona hasn't had anime influences before. On the contrary. It has had them since its birth as a more mainstream targeted MegaTen.

But it also had MegaTen elements in it, from horror stories to murder mysteries. In P3, you shoot yourself in the head with an Evoker to summon a Persona. There's a morbidness to Persona despite the glitz, despite the flash, that lays under its MegaTen influenced trappings. Persona has ultimately, always had a huge horror influence, even 3 and 4.

And I'm just not getting that here.

If the "murder mystery" in Persona 4 is all the morbidness you required to feel at home, then going by the dialog in this trailer, you don't have anything to worry about.

Also, Velvet Prison.

If 4's "murder mystery" is morbid enough, the prison certainly is.
 
If the "murder mystery" in Persona 4 is all the morbidness you required to feel at home, then going by the dialog in this trailer, you don't have anything to worry about.

Also, Velvet Prison.

If 4's "murder mystery" is morbid enough, the prison certainly is.

Tell me more about the Velvet Prison? I watched this with sound off.
 
Yeah I getcha, if you're prioritizing for user experience a la most applications this treatment wouldn't really fly at all.

The other cool thing (which was noted in the previous trailers) is the absolutely great animation detail being packed into the UI. Compare this game to most other RPGs where you spend a large amount of time staring at static rectangular UI and you'll come to appreciate the work that went into the animations for the UI alone which adds a level of energy on top of the game itself.

Oh, believe me, I know. I've watched all of the videos frame-by-frame to tear apart the motion graphics. The logo animation at the start of the second trailer doesn't get enough credit (even if the P-Studio logo is a little small), but I hope it's the first thing you see when you start the game.
 
I mean, I loved it. But P4 also is about solving murders, which is as Persona as you can get.

I guess, but it's also about jumping into a tv to call forth your inner power to fight demonic entities, and then have a beach episode soon after. P4 is one of my favorite games, P5 just looks like a natural extension of it imo.
 
Tell me more about the Velvet Prison? I watched this with sound off.

There isn't any specific dialog about it. Just saying from a visual standpoint, it's significantly less cozy for the protagonist than the limousine and elevator. Which isn't to say "less cozy" = morbid, but given how lighthearted 4's murder mystery ends up being handled, I figured the prison would more than fit the bill.

And in the trailer one of the attendants smacks his bars with her baton. Seems like they're not going to be treating him as kindly as we've been used to.
 
It seems very "Persona" to me. There's an alternate reality, themes of identity and duality all over the place, it's centered around a cast of high school characters in a modern urban environment with rumors/urban legends spreading about (the thieves who steal peoples' hearts), and with demons aplenty.
 
sounds arbitrary to me

A return to demons should be telling that this is true MegaTen

and guns, for that matter

Weren't shadows ultimately demons? Does this game have demon conversations or is it P3/4 card system?

As a guy who still likes P1 and P2 I think looking at the Persona franchise now as more of an anthology series, sharing some narrative and thematic elements, but with each game taking on a different tone or expression that gives it a unique identity among the others lets you enjoy each game without being too shackled by expectation.

Okay, that's fair.
 
Persona 4 is the game that went full anime. It's also the best one. Coincidence?

Yes.

Frankly, the idea that something went "full anime" isn't really a criticism. Anime is so hugely varied like regular television that such a criticism does injustice to that.

Persona 4 to me captured more of what it was like to be in a highschool and mixed that with pulpy murder mystery and internal growth more than Persona 3.

I dislike some of the additions to Golden as I felt that they didn't end up adding anything to the OG P4 and thus were wasted time. Not purely because they were "fanservice" though the drunken lounge scenario was hilarious.
 
I'm not saying Persona hasn't had anime influences before. On the contrary. It has had them since its birth as a more mainstream targeted MegaTen.

But it also had MegaTen elements in it, from horror stories to murder mysteries. In P3, you shoot yourself in the head with an Evoker to summon a Persona. There's a morbidness to Persona despite the glitz, despite the flash, that lays under its MegaTen influenced trappings. Persona has ultimately, always had a huge horror influence, even 3 and 4.

And I'm just not getting that here. It barely looks recognizable from its MegaTen influences at this point.

Megami Tensei and Persona has different theme in their games.
Clearly you don't know enough about both franchise to be able to tell the difference.
Also the morbid part is in both franchise, that's what appealed to mature audience.

Persona 5 is closer though to the first Personas, darker, with more mature character design. We're here in the boderline of Seinen genre.
 
It seems very "Persona" to me. There's an alternate reality, themes of identity and duality all over the place, it's centered around a cast of high school characters in a modern urban environment with rumors/urban legends spreading about (the thieves who steal peoples' hearts), and with demons aplenty.

This. The visual presentation is more over the top, but the base is still the same.
 
It seems way more Persona AND Megaten in general to me than P4 ever was and I'm loving it.

Not that I didn't love what P4 did as a change of pace, because I did. Just happy they aren't letting its popularity dictate the future direction of the series too much.
 
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