CrimsonFist
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The Phantom Thieves will be at least.
Maybe they'll have some of the devs, they've had a few at E3 in the past after all.
Maybe they'll have some of the devs, they've had a few at E3 in the past after all.
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I think Soejima was there last year. I would expect Hashino and co. to be on hand for interviews though.
Gpd, they better be in English.
Soejima was there last year doing the signings.
It would be cool if Hashino was there, but I can imagine them sending Meguro instead.
I might make this my avatar.
It would be cool if Hashino was there, but I can imagine them sending Meguro instead.
I might make this my avatar.
A Dead Diehard
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Not all heroes wear capes.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
You seem awfully distrustful of things out of Hashino's own mouth.
There's a ton of evidence that points to her being shy than not, but even calling her shy is an oversimplification of her obvious social anxiety.
Wait, what? It sounds like, despite all signs and developer statements pointing otherwise, like it's somehow unbelievable that Persona 5 could have a party member dealing with social anxiety and isolation.
Shyness and Social Anxiety are not the same thing.
Shyness is like "omg that cute guy is talking to me, what do I dooooo?!"
Social Anxiety is like "I'm in a group of people I should be entirely safe with, yet my gut is telling me I'm in extreme danger and should run away quickly and cry in a corner where nobody can find me."
Shyness is like "omg that cute guy is talking to me, what do I dooooo?!"
Social Anxiety is like "I'm in a group of people I should be entirely safe with, yet my gut is telling me I'm in extreme danger and should run away quickly and cry in a corner where nobody can find me."
I just can't trust anything the people making Persona 5 say about Persona 5.
Roght, I think the core of the point is Futaba isn't going to be immediately comfortable with the cast, whatever the specific reason for that might be.
That's what we're being told with no reason to dispute it, but that's not stopping it from being disputed.
Roght, I think the core of the point is Futaba isn't going to be immediately comfortable with the cast, whatever the specific reason for that might be.
That's what we're being told with no reason to dispute it, but that's not stopping it from being disputed.
A Dead Diehard
Member
Thanks for clearing this up.
I actually really hope Futaba's character explores the concept of social anxiety hard, and it's not simply a gag. It's a concept that resonates well with me because of my own social anxiety, and I'd love nothing more than for it to be explored properly.
Also, panic attacks brought upon by social anxiety? Fucking scary.
I agree. I still think that it will be handled in a very Persona way. She's just going to be a dork who fumbles her words and is awkward around everyone. She's not going to literally lack social skills.
You know, Soejima called the protagonist's dual personality 'a profound ruse'. Now, I love Soejima's art, and every time I read anything about Soejima himself, I think 'man, what a fucking cool guy'. I really, really respect him.
On the other hand, there is nothing 'profound' about the character's dual personality. He acts like a dork but is secretly a badass. It's as straight forward and unsurprising as it gets.
Meguro said that Lynn's vocals sounded almost native English, the pronunciation was so good.
NOPE. Her pronunciation is awful. Meguro was mistaken.
Short version: The Persona team is very passionate about their games. It's probably part of why they're so good. On the other hand, not everything they say about them is true. By the time Fubata joins your party, or shortly thereafter, I am sure she will be showing her face. And her time in the game before that will most likely be very limited.
I actually have to agree with Meguro on this. We were able to guess the lyrics to the main theme with a fair degree of accuracy off a low quality rip, and I feel confident they're like 90% right.
The second verse and chorus in PV4 disagrees with you.
And it's not because people are talking over it.
To be fair, the chorus being different in PV4 means nothing. Lots of songs have a second chorus with different lyrics.
Also, I haven't actually tried to listen to PV4 at all because it's just too hard to hear. >_>;
If anyone is interested in taking another shot at the opening, here's what we had last.
I still believe that Soejima's comment isn't all that strange when you factor in the context. For about five months, the majority of the fandom was convinced that the P5 protagonist was a shy, cute boy with a rather peculiar resemblance to Harry Potter. The first actual trailer then made it obvious that the protagonist was nothing like that. They fooled their fanbase with the PSX teaser and Soejima's comment probably referred to that.
CrimsonFist
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The "profound ruse" quote is also from an interview which has been fan translated from Japanese
I disagree about Lyn, but I suppose I can grant you that.
The Soejima point is weird though. You have no idea how "profound" the ruse is or isn't because you've not played the game. A lot of your criticisms leveled at this game so far seem severely lacking in context. Maybe that's less important to you, i just think it's odd and makes the majority of what you've said ring hollow.
And with this point specifically, I'm actually inclined to agree with Soejima. Everyone more than believed "glasses-kun" was going to be sweet and innocent until Atlus voluntarily told us that was not the case.
If it wasn't a profound ruse, it was a completely successful one.
Inquisitive_Ghost
Member
"Profound" doesn't have to mean something has particular meaning or anything, it can also just mean "deep" as in intense, strong, etc. Given the way the protagonist seems to be acting in the trailers so far and
what he originally gets in trouble for
It would be somewhat neat to have the scene with her having the towel come off be comparable in P4 to
the first time Teddie takes his head off to show his human form.
Of course, since she does cover up to THAT kind of a degree, I wonder what her deal is to begin with. Wonder how serious we're going to get with themes this time.
Cannon_Fodder
Member
Profound doesn't just mean something that's insightful, it can also be something that reaches far below the surface or something that is characterized by intensity of feeling. So I don't think Soejima is saying that the P5MC's ruse is insightful, just that it's a big part of who the P5MC is. He plays the part of a mild-mannered person very well, even though that's not who he really is.
Then again, this is a fan translation anyway, analyzing word choice has more to do with the translator than the original speaker.
Edit: Beaten like a pinata at a party.
Then again, this is a fan translation anyway, analyzing word choice has more to do with the translator than the original speaker.
Edit: Beaten like a pinata at a party.
It would be nice if her character showcased social anxiety in a nuanced way. The fact that she hasn't stepped a foot in high school leads me to believe that they're not just going to sweep her awkwardness under the rug, but you never know.
As an aside, I don't get what you mean when you say "handled in a Persona" way. What do you mean?
I always felt that Soejima was describing the protagonist's perception among fans and how it changed completely with PV1. Considering that the protagonist already has a reputation as a troublemaker in game, it makes no sense to believe that he was referring to the game's story and how its characters percieve him.
A Dead Diehard
Member
I'm guessing he meant "profound ruse" in the same way one would say "total ruse". Not like "his ruse is deep maaaaan... it like, speaks to the human condition"
As for Futaba, I really hope she doesn't turn out to be a caricature or nerdy people in either the original release or the localization (you never know what'll happen). Even her talking with a lisp would make me roll my eyes.
As for Futaba, I really hope she doesn't turn out to be a caricature or nerdy people in either the original release or the localization (you never know what'll happen). Even her talking with a lisp would make me roll my eyes.
Inquisitive_Ghost
Member
He does? I thought it was something like he gets in trouble for
stopping the assault
Well I don't know how communication between Japanese schools and law enforcement work, but I would assume that attacking a man for whatever reason would be mentioned in your police record. Also, the gym teacher in the fourth trailer implies that he knows about the protagonist's previous actions.
It's nonsense.
Inquisitive_Ghost
Member
Sorry, I meant like the students might not know. The teachers probably would, of course, but I don't know if they would tend to spread that to the student body.
Then again, the teachers in Persona are pretty wacky, so expecting them to actually respect that kind of boundary might be too much to hope for!
Then again, the teachers in Persona are pretty wacky, so expecting them to actually respect that kind of boundary might be too much to hope for!
That gym teacher is exactly the kind of guy to spread information like this to the students. And even if he wasn't: Someone is bound to spill the beans sooner or later, even if is by accident.
A Dead Diehard
Member
I wonder...
how many teachers didn't end up caving to the crazy mob mentality in P3 and P4?
StarSketch
Banned
I'm pretty sure
the gym teacher in P4 was like "Stop freaking out about the fog, Inaba gets freak weather every 50 years" or something.
Also on the whole Lyn thing- she is really, really hard to understand in PV4. Even in the parts where no one is talking. it begs the question of why she's so clear on her personal works but not here. ( though, I listened to a song I knew the words to already so that may have been a factor.) Maybe it is an issue of mixing either the video or the track itself, but I can understand Dantis's sentiment.
I guess the easiest way to say it is that I think Persona characters have to be likeable. And nice. And attractive. And good-hearted.
In the same way that Futaba would never be portrayed as being disheveled and unkempt, she also won't be an example of a deep analysis of social anxiety. Like I said, she'll most likely just be a mega dork. She'll probably speak in a funny way and say things that are awkward, I think.
In the same way that it turned out that Kanji and Shinji were a) actually very polite and b) really bloody good guys, she also will turn out similar, I'm sure.
Of course, she could be all those things regardless of her anxiety, but I'm saying that I think she will be all those things rather than her anxieties.
Persona party members are heroes. Except for Yukiko, who's trash.
Man, I don't know why you post things like this.
This is probably going to sound fanfic-ey as all fuck but I think that it'd be really cool if Yusuke and Ryuji were romantically involved. And that Ryuji is Anne's best friend who is feels she can completely let her guard down around, and knows that Ryuji has no ulterior motives or sexual interest in her which is why she is so comfortable around him. I think that'd be more interesting than them going out just because she rests her head on his shoulders or whatever, anyway.
Also, yuri talk? is there a speculated lesbian character?
Also, yuri talk? is there a speculated lesbian character?
A Dead Diehard
Member
That bait's not good enough for fish.
Well, I'm not sure about 'speculation', but some people seem to like Makoto and Haru. :/
^My reaction to 80% of your posts.
I mean, this is already pretty much debunked, considering Ryuji's reaction to Anne in a swimsuit.
Also, I've said it before, but I really hope Yusuke isn't gay. I don't mind a gay character, but I'd hope they'd choose someone less obvious.
It was a joke, in case it wasn't clear.
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I get this applies to Persona 3 and 4 to a degree. But Persona 2 literally had it's starting antagonist turn over to the party. I don't think they'll keep to the same patterns as they did in P3 and P4; the story looks to subvert the usual tropes there.
Also, social anxiety doesn't always immediately equal depression either. As someone who has experienced it, it's not unreasonable to assume she'd keep up appearances even if she doesn't leave the house.
I was referring to P3 and P4, yeah. I don't think we should be using P1 and P2 as a base for anything, personally.
And I don't think it's going to subvert it too much. There was all that talk of delinquents and theories about you playing as antagonists, but they're looking pretty heroic to me right now.
I didn't mean depression, I meant things like panic attacks and not being able to deal with social situations. I don't have social anxieties myself, but I have friends who do. I also know people who don't leave the house and have crap social skills because of it. I'd be surprised to see any of it applied to Persona, to be honest.
And I don't think it's going to subvert it too much. There was all that talk of delinquents and theories about you playing as antagonists, but they're looking pretty heroic to me right now.
I didn't mean depression, I meant things like panic attacks and not being able to deal with social situations. I don't have social anxieties myself, but I have friends who do. I also know people who don't leave the house and have crap social skills because of it. I'd be surprised to see any of it applied to Persona, to be honest.
A Dead Diehard
Member
It was a joke, in case it wasn't clear.
Riiiight...
Agreed. Aside from him being the most effeminate-looking male character in the cast, his looking like the only other gay party member in the series would surely rub people the wrong way if he was.
It'd be like saying "This is a gay. This is what they all look like."
At least it'd be better than FE Fates?
I think we're going to see subversion for sure. Already, we have a pretty different cast from Persona 3 and Persona 4.
And I know all about social anxieties myself, and can even link you to a first hand panic attack on GAF.
cj_iwakura
Member
After Dancing All Night, I'm pretty Atlus isn't really someone to trust with a groundbreaking portrayal of a gay character.
cj_iwakura
Member
I've talked about it a lot here, and in my Bemanistyle review, and I was surprised it didn't make a tidal wave of controversy.
Not really a spoiler, but just in case. Very minor character.
It’s also worth noting that the personification of a male dance instructor, who of course happens to be flamboyant and flirtatious with every man in sight, struck me as being in poor taste. Usually Atlus are better at playing against expected stereotypes, but this particular character happens to be just that, and winds up being more of a caricature.
The character in question.
It was like they went through a checklist of gay stereotypes. High pitched? Check! Hits on any man in sight? Check! Dancing instructor? Has to be!
Oh, that's unfortunate. D:
A Dead Diehard
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cj_iwakura
Member
Wow, I didn't know that. I met him in person though, he was really cool.
And he has a great sense of humor.