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[Liamario]

Not according to this. It's a creative choice to run 30fps, not a problem with the platform.

This is why this quote is awful.

Yeah, they switched off 60fps to emphasise the cinematic nature of the game. Artistry!

So does this mean PC gamers will get a creatively compromised version?

Yes, we'll be forced to play at 60fps+. It's a disgrace.

 

[OverHeat]

Laugh in 4090!

 

[feynoob]

So does this mean PC gamers will get a creatively compromised version?

We are not limited by hardwares like consoles. Even if they do it, we have mods our side making that 60fps super fast.

 

[adamsapple]

If the intention was to avoid having a mode with massive cut-backs to reach 60, then yes of course it's a creative choice.


30 FPS:

60 FPS:

 

[Roberts]

This worries me. I just tried to play Ghostwire Tokyo at 30 fps and I immediately got back to that inconsistent 35-60 fps mess of a performance mode. Even that plays better.

 

[Superkewl]

So does this mean PC gamers will get a creatively compromised version?

Pretty sure what they meant is that they aimed for a graphic fidelity that would allow to operate at 30 fps. Targeting 60fps would have likely meant a downgrade in graphics. Obviously, this will not affect PC.

At least, that was how I interrupted it.

 

[bender]

Meanwhile at Bethesda, Todd Howard and is rowdy band of developers are furiously tying Starfield's game logic to a 30FPS cap. It's a creative choice!

 

[Topher]

Then it is a piss poor choice not to give gamers the option to choose for themselves.

 

[GHG]

The fact that some people are eating this up while PC gamers will be playing this above 30fps day one will never not be funny.

Does he even think about what he's saying? Does he even care anymore? Honestly it feels like he's now in full experimentation mode to see how much crap he can get away with saying before they get rid of him.

 

[RoadHazard]

If the intention was to avoid having a mode with massive cut-backs to reach 60, then yes of course it's a creative choice.


30 FPS:

60 FPS:

Sure, but Starfield isn't technically impressive at all. The Series X should be able to run a game like this at 60. Garbage engine, that's all.

 

[Helghan]

Some of your are really dumb. When he says "creative choice" he doesn't mean that the console is able to play this exact game at 60fps. He's saying that Bethesda decided that some things being rendered or calculated were a necessity on which they didn't want to budge, and that's why it's at 30fps.

So basically Starfield has so many things going on, that the XSX and XSS aren't able to run it at 60fps. If you think that this would be different on PS5, stop kidding yourself.

 

[darrylgorn]

If the intention was to avoid having a mode with massive cut-backs to reach 60, then yes of course it's a creative choice.


30 FPS:

60 FPS:

So, not much creativity then.

Here, have some more grass for 30 fps.

 

[Thief1987]

When it inevitably will have drops to 15-20 fps will it also be "creative choice"?

 

[Mr Reasonable]

It seems pretty obvious to me that he's saying "The choice is to either scale the game back or scale the framerate back"

I'm in no way enthusiastic about 30fps btw.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Garbage engine, that's all.

This.

 

[Topher]

Some of your are really dumb.

 

[adamsapple]

Sure, but Starfield isn't technically impressive at all. The Series X should be able to run a game like this at 60. Garbage engine, that's all.

....... o ... k .......

 

[oji-san]

A damn shame not giving more options on console, it's ok to make the most ambitious game i'm all in, but you could give more options to players wishing it.

 

[The Tourmaline Gorilla]

The fact that this is news, or even a big deal, just shows how pathetic the lot of gamers are.

Whoever's offended by that; good, feel offended.

The amount of bitching and whining gamers do is ridiculous.

 

[hemo memo]

C’mon Phil that’s ridiculous. Is this what Todd is telling you? Because it is bullshit.

 

[Superkewl]

I just wish they would give us options. I would easily prefer a 1080p mode if it gave me 50-60fps

 

[j0hnnix]

If the intention was to avoid having a mode with massive cut-backs to reach 60, then yes of course it's a creative choice.


30 FPS:

60 FPS:

Damn your logical thinking!!!!

 

[mrqs]

You guys are insane.

The CREATIVE CHOICE is where you decide to stop making sacrifices. If they want players to see a specific level of quality and 30fps is the only way to do that, that's fine.

People bitch about 30fps too much nowadays. You get used to it; just play the freaking game.

A game that feels responsive and nice to play doesn't need to run at 60. Destiny was for a long time seeing as one of the best shooters ever and they ran at 30fps.

 

[Gudji]

C’mon Phil that’s ridiculous. Is this what Todd is telling you? Because it is bullshit.

Phil was a programmer he's just good at PR.

 

[Bernoulli]

If the intention was to avoid having a mode with massive cut-backs to reach 60, then yes of course it's a creative choice.


30 FPS:

60 FPS:

That's not how performance mode work don't try to spin the story
All games with performance mode keep the same vision/story

 

[Balducci30]

No it’s not lol

 

[Nankatsu]

Definetely not a system seller. Time to upgrade my PC though.

 

[SlimySnake]

The fact that some people are eating this up while PC gamers will be playing this above 30fps day one will never not be funny.

Does he even think about what he's saying? Does he even care anymore? Honestly it feels like he's now in full experimentation mode to see how much crap he can get away with saying before they get rid of him.

That was a 4 hour podcast. I can promise you that everyone no matter how smart will say something dumb every 30 minutes.

He needs to stop talking and just go make video games. Plague's tale proves that 60 fps is possible on consoles if you are willing to downgrade graphics. Give players that option because you are definitely giving PC players that option.

This is why single SKU development is so important. If Bethesda was developing this exclusively on the xbox, they wouldve figured out a way to get 60 fps working despite how hard this game hits the CPU. 16 threads running at 3.5 Ghz should have no issues running the game at 60 fps but because game engines are so bad at multi-threading, we end up in scenarios like this where the CPU becomes the bottleneck despite the GPU having enough grunt to run the game at native 4k. the game was in dev for what? 8 years? shouldve begun working on multithreading way back in 2015. they were bought by MS in 2020, shouldve immediately shifted their focus back on xbox like Sony had SE do with FF16.

 

[Bernoulli]

You guys are insane.

The CREATIVE CHOICE is where you decide to stop making sacrifices. If they want players to see a specific level of quality and 30fps is the only way to do that, that's fine.

People bitch about 30fps too much nowadays. You get used to it; just play the freaking game.

A game that feels responsive and nice to play doesn't need to run at 60. Destiny was for a long time seeing as one of the best shooters ever and they ran at 30fps.

That's what we call CHOICE
if player wants the game on Series X can run the Series S version and get 60 fps
Only need to lower the res

What's next making the game unplayable on low end GPUs because they ruin the creative choice?

 

[adamsapple]

That's not how performance mode work don't try to spin the story
All games with performance mode keep the same vision/story

Who said anything about vision or story lol

We do lock it at 30, because we want that fidelity. We want all that stuff. We don’t want to sacrifice any of it.

This is what Todd said yesterday. It's their deliberate choice.

 

[Helghan]

So does this mean PC gamers will get a creatively compromised version?

Nope, just that you are too dumb to understand he means that Xbox isn't able to render this at 60fps because Bethesda doesn't want to compromise their vision of the game.

 

[analog_future]

So, the "creative choice" only works on console?

Obviously?

It's a creative choice taking into consideration the capabilities of the fixed hardware they're working on.

Are you people being purposefully dense? It's really not that hard of a concept to grasp. These consoles don't have unlimited power and you need to make concessions between performance and visual effects. Every decision has an impact.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

Sure, but Starfield isn't technically impressive at all. The Series X should be able to run a game like this at 60. Garbage engine, that's all.

It what universe a game of this scale with so many systems and interactivity is not technically impressive? I don’t get you people.

 

[NonPhixion]

The choice to build the game using an old shitty game engine limited their creative choices.

 

[Sorcerer]

Sure Jan

If this was a creative choice then why did Phil have such a pained look on his face when asked by Kinda Funny after the Redfall debacle if he could confirm weather Starfield would be 30 or 60 in the Summer? He could have confidently answered 30 then.

If Bethesda could do 60 with some magic tomorrow, Phil would change his tune in a second.

 

[reksveks]

What's next making the game unplayable on low end GPUs because they ruin the creative choice?

Mmm, are pc minimum specs not a thing?

 

[Gudji]

Nope, just that you are too dumb to understand he means that Xbox isn't able to render this at 60fps because Bethesda doesn't want to compromise their vision of the game.

If this game was made by a more technical proficient studio it would have a 60 fps mode. Compromise their vision my ass.

 

[R6Rider]

If the intention was to avoid having a mode with massive cut-backs to reach 60, then yes of course it's a creative choice.


30 FPS:

60 FPS:

So it's not a CPU issue or what?

People keep going back and forth on it.

OR is it that those devs don't know how to optimize well and in the case of Starfield it's that the Creation Engine is pretty shitty.

Meanwhile GTAV ran on the fucking PS3 and 360 (with the frame rate dipping below 30fps very frequently), yet on PS4 with a CPU that wasn't faster (the console being around 9x more powerful) it still only managed 30fps and higher visuals. Along with this is the fact that some games are doing shit with 128 players on huge maps, destruction, and vehicles at dynamic 4k60fps. Even on PS4 BFV was pulling off insane shit at 60fps.

 

[DenchDeckard]

I'd love to see an interview where the host asked questions and the guest just doesn't respond. It would be comedy gold.

 

[K' Dash]

maybe give the option to play however the fuck we want?

 

[mrqs]

That's what we call CHOICE
if player wants the game on Series X can run the Series S version and get 60 fps
Only need to lower the res

What's next making the game unplayable on low end GPUs because they ruin the creative choice?

The developer want to give you the experience they want. You can buy it or not. Some of the best games of all time ran at 30fps (or even lower!) on a variety of consoles.

You want to control exactly how you play? Buy a PC.

 

[Bernoulli]

Who said anything about vision or story lol



This is what Todd said yesterday. It's their deliberate choice.

Then they will lock fidelity on PC too?

There is no problem to give the user the choice to play the game on series x on lower resolution at 60 fps

 

[midnightAI]

 

[Mahnmut]

Come on Phil...

 

[Skifi28]

If it's using RTGI like it was suggested in the video, it's no wonder there's no 60fps mode. If not, then God save us from Todd.

 

[Markio128]

I can’t wait to play the game, but I didn’t buy the Series X to feel like a peasant. This is literally the only game that has made me wish I had an epic PC.

 

[DeepEnigma]

If the intention was to avoid having a mode with massive cut-backs to reach 60, then yes of course it's a creative choice.


30 FPS:

60 FPS:

Now do Horizon Forbidden West!

*crickets*

 

[Bernoulli]

The developer want to give you the experience they want. You can buy it or not. Some of the best games of all time ran at 30fps (or even lower!) on a variety of consoles.

You want to control exactly how you play? Buy a PC.

So developer wants to give a different experience to PC players by letting them choose?

 

[reksveks]

Then it is a piss poor choice not to give gamers the option to choose for themselves.

That might be true.

Not sure I would argue that it isn't a creative choice. It's a choice for a creative product.

 

[GHG]

Definetely not a system seller. Time to upgrade my PC though.

Phil is just here to help Jensen and Lisa out.