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Phil Spencer's first time in Japan as VP
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Neuromancer
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Everyone on the internet is so cynical these days. I'm going to hope for the best that something really cool comes out of this.
It's not about making Xbox 'happen' I'm sure MS knows that's not happening. It's about getting games like Nioh, Nier etc onto Xbox and not giving Sony defacto exclusives.
The fact a lot of these games are coming to PC means that's a more sensible tactic to go forward with I'm betting after MS's refocus we'll see things a bit more equal ala the PS360 era where Xbox had tons of Japanese games.
LiquidSolid
Member
It's almost as if Square Enix Japan and Bandai Namco are two completely different publishers. Weird, huh?
Dynasty Warriors 9 and the 5pb games would've too. Mainline DW games are always ported to Xbox for their western releases, it's the spinoffs, expansions and complete versions that never come out on it. And 5pb has been bringing their visual novels to Xbox for years, they appear to have a small Japanese fanbase that buys enough copies to make those versions worth it. They're never localised though.
Yearsoflurking
Member
Who said square Enix Japan and Namco was the same company im confused at your point
It's more about getting games that are coming for PS4 to get Xbox One release also.
Like recently the Senran Kagura creator said he wanted to put out a game on Xbox One but never talked to them about it. He wants to do it so MS should be willing to work with him to make it happen.
Like recently the Senran Kagura creator said he wanted to put out a game on Xbox One but never talked to them about it. He wants to do it so MS should be willing to work with him to make it happen.
MosquitoSmasher
Member
Sure let's jump to conclusions on what has happened when in fact not a damn soul in this thread knows what. For all we know it really wasn't Microsoft's fault at all. I know, impossible right?
Nah you can keep that one, Sony
SolidSnakeUS
Member
So that makes up for the rest of the list? Even though it started somewhere, it doesn't mean it's going be there again. Look at Final Fantasy. Nintendo had everything up until 6, and then 7 and on was either PS or XB. Plus, with how the current Xbox is seen in Japan at the moment, I don't think there's any rush to port games to the Xbox.
It's also been on Nintendo as well. PC has the games too.
The Pet of the Month
Member
I hope to see great things from the Xbox team going forward into 2018, hopefully direct contact with Nadella means less turnaround time for decisions regarding game and feature funding.
Now that's a light show! I would not handle well with a place like that though lol
It is going there again though. Xbox also got S;G0. And the first games just went BC not long ago. Xbox might have a lot of burned bridges in japan but Steins Gate stuff is not one of them. It changes nothing for the rest of the list, of course, which is why ive only singled out Steins Gate.
SolidSnakeUS
Member
But for the rest, at that point, I would suggest getting a PS4 or getting a PC for some of the other ones. I'm sure that you don't even need a heavy duty PC for most of them. I doubt you need much of anything to play Silver Case.
LiquidSolid
Member
Someone said that Code Vein coming to Xbox wasn't a surprise because it's Bandai Namco's Souls successor and you brought up Nier as if it's even remotely comparable.
If you check out Phil's tweet, Harada responded to him
https://twitter.com/XboxP3/status/915476632617459712?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
https://twitter.com/XboxP3/status/915476632617459712?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
MosquitoSmasher
Member
Where is his reply?
Why bother when Japanese games don't sell on that console. Almost every multiplat Japanese game has 90/10 split favoring ps4. We have been down this road many times in the past and there is a reason why they tend to stay away from xbox. They figured out that they actually save money by not porting to xbox.
That's not really true. Japanese games are more than just JRPGs. While FF games may have that split(there's only been 2 btw) Games like resident evil, dark souls, dragonball Z games etc don't have those splits. And I doubt FighterZ or MHW would either
Chaos2Frozen
Member
If they needed those things from Xbox they would already have put them on Xbox.
Yearsoflurking
Member
Yes , nier isn't on xbox due to square enixs incompetence. FF15 is on xbox but none of the older games nor ff7 remake is. I don't see your point with code vein being an successor of souls so it makes it automatic.
Monkeyball
Banned
He is a gamerrrrr just like us.
Hardvlade
Member
Shit, if that happened (that or PC), I'd double dip on them. Would love to play them in 4k. I love this series so much
The Pet of the Month
Member
Y'all talk like wanting more people not to play a good brawler is a good idea. I'd love to play Yakuza on the go, too!
I think it’s a positive for the industry that Phil isn’t throwing in the towel in Japan just yet. Getting PS4 exclusives to the PC and Xbox is a step in the right direction. Hopefully they can try and get a few games as “play anywhere”, that would be a good start. I mostly play Japanese games on my PS4, but i would gladly buy them on my Xbox/PC if they were play anywhere.
Chaos2Frozen
Member
You don't see why Square never bothered with Xbox anymore?
Wut? FF13 trilogy was on Xbox360 and 7 Remake is only timed exclusive.
GuitarAtomik
Member
That's....actually not the worst idea.
Head.spawn
Junior Member
The games can't sell if you never release them.
You don't release them, you have no following.
If you have no following, when you do one-off oddball releases, there are less people jumping at the bit.
Almost seems intentional. I'm not saying it's going to sell as much as PS4 or outsell PS4 like-for-like releases, but the idea that they won't sell at all is absurd.
Should've done that over a decade ago.
It isn't a pubs job to try to cultivate a community that buys the games. The onus is on the platform holder to do that and the devs/pubs will follow
Double Donut
Member
If MS was persistent enough/offered enough money, couldnÂ’t Persona come to Xbox? I mean, Catherine was on 360.
I suppose anything is possible, but I don't think it would sell enough to the Xbox crowd. Best we can hope for is efforts like the ones made during the 360 with Lost Odyssey, etc.
Chaos2Frozen
Member
Xbox One isn't the first Xbox to come out, there have been 3 generations of Xbox consoles already, the previous one having the most Japanese exclusives.
These decisions aren't made from nothing.
Head.spawn
Junior Member
So, let me get this straight.. you're saying when a game fails to sell, it's because of the platform holder hasn't done enough to make people buy the game and the publisher has no control over their product or the perception of their product?
How does that relate to my actual post though?
For example, during those three generations... how many Final Fantasy games have released on Xbox?
If they had three generations of releasing their games on Xbox, would you expect that FF XV would've done better or worse?
That's my point.
LiquidSolid
Member
Because they're two different fucking publishers! Jesus Christ, what about that is so hard to understand?
Square Enix Japan doesn't give a shit about Xbox, as evidenced by the 4 Xbox games they've announced this gen compared to the 31 they've announced for PS4. And the reason why they haven't supported Xbox isn't incompetence, it's because they have no faith their games will sell on their system. It's not their job to build an audience for their games on Xbox, that's Microsoft's job.
Bandai Namco, on the other hand, while not showing as much support for the Xbox as the PS4, has still released a ton of games on it. Tekken 7, Dark Souls 3, Dragon Ball Xenoverse, Naruto, One Piece, Ace Combat, Little Nightmares, etc have all been announced/released on Xbox. So them putting their next Dark Souls-like on the same systems Dark Souls came out on isn't even remotely surprising.
When that game does sell on other systems? Yes. It's the same situation Nintendo's found themselves in numerous times.
Yearsoflurking
Member
Seeing how we are discussing XBOX ONE, not sure what 360 has to do with this
Maybe Phil went to japan to cancel more games for the xbox one.
Yearsoflurking
Member
This is the stupidest shit I ever heard, it absolutely is square enix job to build up consumers faith on consoles as well as pc. Ff13 as well as ff15 have done great on xbox , squares incompetence of chosing when to support the console with final fantasy is all on their own confidence , not microsoft. Ff14 on the other hand is absolutely microsofts fault, but 7 9 10 ports etc have nothing to so with microsoft , that is square enix
Head.spawn
Junior Member
The other systems that those publishers and developers have a long history of actually releasing titles on, where they have decades of games in a series that are tied to those platforms... that's pretty much what I was getting at. They sell better there because they've released plenty of games in the past, the gamers look forward to the sequels, they're a household name for them etc etc.
Chaos2Frozen
Member
Personally I don't think they should have bothered. The only reason why they did for FFXV and KH3 was because everyone thought Xbox would be leading this generation.
I imagine if they could turn back the clock on their development they would.
Hydrargyrus
Member
Is this a lower record in port begging?
Why do you just ask him to rename the console as PS4?
Seriously, it's only 250€ with some game included or something like that...
Yearsoflurking
Member
You can't half ass support a console then expect a franchise to be successful. I doubt capcom expects deadrising to sell bucket loads on ps
Head.spawn
Junior Member
Well when you have 17+ games in the series and you've only released one bad MMO from the collection on Xbox, how well could they have expected a sequel to sell when a large portion of the intended customers have no basis for it?
They've probably made their investment back though, it's a UE4 port, not some meticulously crafted 1st party title release. An UE4 port from PC/PS4 to Xbox is not going to break the bank.
Mass Effect
Member
The only way any of these games are happening is if Microsoft 100% foots the bill for their porting/localization costs.
SuperBattleGenius
Neo Member
I get what you're saying but you're missing his point.
When you look at different regions, Japanese publishers are more prone to not giving a shit about the XB1. Why should they? SE Japanese has no stakes in the console and the teams who operate day-to-day operations only care about Japanese sales.
It sucks but when it's from their perspective, it makes sense. Publishing their games on XB1 isn't worth it financially.
BUT, that's why you have an American wing of the company. There are games that released multiplatform in the US that were Playstation-Only in Japan. The issue here is that even if the American-wing wants to publish an XB1 version, they are at the mercy of their Japanese bosses. Look into what happened with Sega in the 90's between the American and Japanese wings.
For Microsoft in Japan, it's absolutely Microsoft's job to make their brand and console more attractive for these Japanese developers and publishers, which, in turn, makes it more attractive to consumers.
Considering one of the biggest Japanese exclusives for the XB1 had the plug pulled from it late into it's life cycle doesn't give Japanese devs and pubs the best look at Microsoft. In Japan, Microsoft needs to be the ones in charge of cultivating their brands, otherwise, Japanese devs and pubs won't even bat an eye on the system.
LukasTaves
Member
IIRC they used to when they grabbed the Panzer Dragoon creator, but eventually turned the studio in a support studio for 3rd party contracts I believe.
They probably just want to stop Sony getting free exclusives. I doubt their goal is anything other than that at this point.
Xbox has never been more dead in Japan.
The last time he was in Japan, he came back with what, Dragon Ball FighterZ, Code Vein, etc...?
Like...stuff that was already coming to Xbox because it's Namco Bandai and they put out everything on Xbox except for like...Tales
I really don't think him going to Japan means much of anything.
Like...stuff that was already coming to Xbox because it's Namco Bandai and they put out everything on Xbox except for like...Tales
I really don't think him going to Japan means much of anything.