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[LiquidSolid]

This is the stupidest shit I ever heard, it absolutely is square enix job to build up consumers faith on consoles as well as pc. Ff13 as well as ff15 have done great on xbox , squares incompetence of chosing when to support the console with final fantasy is all on their own confidence , not microsoft. Ff14 on the other hand is absolutely microsofts fault, but 7 9 10 ports etc have nothing to so with microsoft , that is square enix

You sound like a Nintendo fan throwing a tantrum over third parties not supporting the Wii U. Publishers aren't charities, they go where the money is.

The other systems that those publishers and developers have a long history of actually releasing titles on, where they have decades of games in a series that are tied to those platforms... that's pretty much what I was getting at. They sell better there because they've released plenty of games in the past, the gamers look forward to the sequels, they're a household name for them etc etc.

That's part of it, as is their performance in Japan (or lack thereof), but you can't just overlook the type of games Microsoft put at the front and centre of Xbox for years and years. They've cultivated an audience that, for the most part, doesn't care about Japanese games and that's why Japanese multiplatform sales are far more lopsided towards the PS4 than western games.

 

[Venom.]

What's this obsession with every single thing Phil does or says?

He's the Western Shigeru Miyamoto.

 

[Yearsoflurking]

You sound like a Nintendo fan throwing a tantrum over third parties not supporting the Wii U. Publishers aren't charities, they go where the money is.

I sound like a consumer im not an "xbox fan" in fact I game on my ps4 much more. Great way of deflecting your piss poor argument by throwing meaningless attacks. Square enix has done a terrible job with introducing final fantasy to Xbox fans; even with ff13 and ff15 have had solid port sales. It's simply a fact that square have half assed there support for final fantasy on xbox. You do half ass support you will get half ass results

 

[Wedzi]

Phil just needs to make sure Japanese games don't skip out on Xbox. Whether that's helping with porting, offering resources, or even publishing. Nioh, Nier, Persona, KH remakes, etc.

 

[Primethius]

I sound like a consumer im not an "xbox fan" in fact I game on my ps4 much more. Great way of deflecting youe piss poor argument by throwing meaningless attacks. Square enix has done a terrible job with introducing final fantasy to Xbox fans even with solid port sales, and that's a fact.

Or... Japanese games just don't sell so hot on Xbox.

It's literally that simple. SE isn't going to put smaller stuff on a platform when only their biggest IP sells an amount worth talking about. Xbox will continue to get mainline FF games, cause that's all that can put up the numbers.

 

[Yearsoflurking]

Or... Japanese games just don't sell so hot on Xbox.

It's literally that simple. SE isn't going to put smaller stuff on a platform when only their biggest IP sells an amount worth talking about.

I dont believe smaller stuff should be on Xbox, i never argued that. Something niche like yakuza serves no purpose.

 

[nynt9]

He's the Western Shigeru Miyamoto.

Oh really? How many games has he designed?

 

[Primethius]

I dont believe smaller stuff should be on Xbox, i never argued that. Something niche like yakuza serves no purpose.

Okay, then your issue is that SE doesn't invest millions of more dollars for marginal returns in a platform like Xbox which just doesn't care about Japanese games?

Like FF did alright numbers. Why would SE invest more for little return? Especially when other platforms, with investment, will bring in far bigger numbers.

 

[David___]

I dont believe smaller stuff should be on Xbox, i never argued that. Something niche like yakuza serves no purpose.

Niers not on xbox and it'll do fine on xbox

.

 

[Yearsoflurking]

Okay, then your issue is that SE doesn't invest millions of more dollars for marginal returns in a platform like Xbox which just doesn't care about Japanese games?

Like FF did alright numbers. Why would SE invest more for little return? Especially when other platforms, with investment, will bring in far bigger numbers.

How do we know SE has little return on final fantasy for xbox? Has square stated that? And yes continuously supporting your growing playerbase generally yields better results. If im a final fatnasy fan I would primarily game on ps4, se has shown i will ony get some FF products on xbox.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Oh really? How many games has he designed?

more than you

 

[Yearsoflurking]

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Niers niche?

 

[Primethius]

How do we know SE has little return on final fantasy for xbox? Has square stated that? And yes continuously supporting your growing playerbase generally yields better results. If im a final fatnasy fan I would primarily game on ps4, se has shown i will ony get some FF products on xbox.

Okay, let me ask you this: how much more should have SE invested in marketing FF15 for Xbox and how many sales do you think they would've gotten as a result?

 

[Toki767]

Niers niche?

Yes, Nier is niche.

Just because it exceeded expectations doesn't mean it isn't niche. If anything, I think the great word of mouth is what helped it.

Now you can argue that the original Nier was on the 360 so Automata should be on Xbox One. That would at least be a valid point. But I imagine they have sales data on the original Nier for 360 to suggest porting Automata wasn't going to matter much in terms of sales.

 

[David___]

How do we know SE has little return on final fantasy for xbox? Has square stated that? And yes continuously supporting your growing playerbase generally yields better results. If im a final fatnasy fan I would primarily game on ps4, se has shown i will ony get some FF products on xbox.

There's probably a reason why they opt for PC releases for their remasters over Xbox releases while also not announcing anything for the system since Type-0

Niers niche?

Yes? Automata got mainstream attention, sure. But people were outright shocked that a sequel was made in the first place along with the fact it sold as well as it did

 

[CaptainClaw]

Okay, let me ask you this: how much more should have SE invested in marketing FF15 for Xbox and how many sales do you think they would've gotten as a result?

How's he supposed to know that...

 

[Yearsoflurking]

Okay, let me ask you this: how much more should have SE invested in marketing FF15 for Xbox and how many sales do you think they would've gotten as a result?

Let me get this straight are you suggesting FF15 port on xbox one was a failure? Also I can't answer alternative scenario of square properly marketing ff15 with zero previous comparisons.

Yes, Nier is niche.

Just because it exceeded expectations doesn't mean it isn't niche. If anything, I think the great word of mouth is what helped it.

Now you can argue that the original Nier was on the 360 so Automata should be on Xbox One. That would at least be a valid point. But I imagine they have sales data on the original Nier for 360 to suggest porting Automata wasn't going to matter much in terms of sales.

I never considered the original nier niche, so definitely not the sequel. Is it a major blockbuster? Absolutely not but it's not a niche title such as yakuza.

 

[LiquidSolid]

I sound like a consumer im not an "xbox fan" in fact I game on my ps4 much more. Great way of deflecting your piss poor argument by throwing meaningless attacks. Square enix has done a terrible job with introducing final fantasy to Xbox fans; even with ff13 and ff15 have had solid port sales. It's simply a fact that square have half assed there support for final fantasy on xbox. You do half ass support you will get half ass results

This coming from the guy who said "This is the stupidest shit I ever heard" instead of replying like an adult. I don't give a shit where you game, you're still acting like a child. There are very real and obvious reasons why Square Enix Japan offers limited support for Xbox and it clearly isn't hurting them given their record-high profits.

 

[Primethius]

How's he supposed to know that...

He's making an assertion that SE didn't do so well with FFXV and Xbox. Surely he has some idea of how that failure translated to an impact on sales.

Let me get this straight are you suggesting FF15 port on xbox one was a failure? Also I can't answer alternative scenario of square properly marketing ff15 with zero previous comparisons.


I never considered the original nier niche, sk definitely not the sequel. Is it a major blockbuster? Absolutely not but it's not a niche title such as yakuza.

No, I didn't say it was a failure. Okay, so basically if I'm getting this right: SE needs to try harder with Xbox. But you are unable to speculate what effect, if any, it'll have on sales.

Got it. Basically, you don't know jack about actual JP sales data.

 

[nynt9]

I'd rather if Phil invested in his own first party studios than make deals with Japanese studios. Microsoft really need to build a roster of their own games.

more than you

Sorry to disappoint, but I'm a programmer and I've built some small games in my free time, whereas Phil is a (very successful) businessman who hasn't made a game. Not that this makes me better than him or anything, just makes your snark dumb.

 

[Schneider]

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[RPGamer92]

I'd rather if Phil invested in his own first party studios than make deals with Japanese studios. Microsoft really need to build a roster of their own games.



Sorry to disappoint, but I'm a programmer and I've built some small games in my free time, whereas Phil is a (very successful) businessman who hasn't made a game. Not that this makes me better than him or anything, just makes your snark dumb.

Eh, there's a lot of Japanese games outright skipping XB1 causing people to go with PS4 just because of the default exclusivity. Getting XB1 versions is a needed step imo.

 

[Yearsoflurking]

http://www.********.com/game/34736/nier/ 620,000
http://www.********.com/game/36796/yakuza-4/ 950,000

Yakuza 4 chosen since closest to release date of nier

Banned numbers? Lol

 

[nynt9]

Eh, there's a lot of Japanese games outright skipping XB1 causing people to go with PS4 just because of the default exclusivity. Getting XB1 versions is a needed step imo.

I think that's fair. I just meant pursuing third party exclusivity isn't a good way to solve his problems long term. Third party parity is a reasonable goal though.

 

[Wamb0wneD]

So now that he vists japan for the 5th time surely something will come off it right?.... Right?

Spoiler

This is becoming a meme at this point.

He's the Western Shigeru Miyamoto.

Lmao

 

[Matt]

This is the stupidest shit I ever heard, it absolutely is square enix job to build up consumers faith on consoles as well as pc. Ff13 as well as ff15 have done great on xbox , squares incompetence of chosing when to support the console with final fantasy is all on their own confidence , not microsoft. Ff14 on the other hand is absolutely microsofts fault, but 7 9 10 ports etc have nothing to so with microsoft , that is square enix

Well, it’s SE’s job to make sure they deploy their resources properly to get the best possible return on investments in their content. It’s MS’s job to make sure their console is an attractive place for as much and as diverse content as possible.

 

[TheUnsunghero26]

Sorry to disappoint, but I'm a programmer and I've built some small games in my free time, whereas Phil is a (very successful) businessman who hasn't made a game. Not that this makes me better than him or anything, just makes your snark dumb.

I have to assume the Miyamoto comment was sarcasm, but Phil Spencer started at MS as a programmer. Not sure if he has programmed games or not, but it's not like he doesn't have any experience in the field.

 

[nynt9]

I have to assume the Miyamoto comment was sarcasm, but Phil Spencer started at MS as a programmer. Not sure if he has programmed games or not, but it's not like he doesn't have any experience in the field.

That I didn't know! Looking into it, apparently he was an intern and he's developed some business software and consumer products, which is cool.

 

[tuna_love]

That I didn't know! Looking into it, apparently he was an intern and he's developed some business software and consumer products, which is cool.

he may have had free time as well and made more games than you

 

[pooptest]

You're right. I'm sure none of them want additional exposure for their game or more money.

The amount it costs to port to Xbox isn't worth reaching 80k potential customers.

 

[Inuhanyou]

Then why is Harada @ ing Phil Spencer?
.

His team's games are already on PS4 and XB1 and PC

 

[TheUnsunghero26]

That I didn't know! Looking into it, apparently he was an intern and he's developed some business software and consumer products, which is cool.

Yeah, always interesting to see the background of the leaders in the industry. The funny thing is, Don Mattrick has quite a bit of experience in game development... Which I would never have guessed from the way he presented himself. He always just came across as the "businessman."

 

[Wamb0wneD]

he may have had free time as well and made more games than you

Still doesn't compare to Miyamoto. At all.

 

[jbug617]

Confirmed meeting with Namco on this trip.

 

[MosquitoSmasher]

Confirmed meeting with Namco on this trip.

That's cool. Hopefully they discuss games that have yet to arrive on Xbox. Aren't they the publisher of Tales of and Ni No Kuni 2?

The latter is coming to pc, how hard can it be to port to Xbox I wonder?

 

[op_ivy]

Is he meeting with yu Suzuki and sega to launch a new virtua fighter a la Sony and capcom for sf5

Spoiler

only good

?

 

[David___]

That's cool. Hopefully they discuss games that have yet to arrive on Xbox. Aren't they the publisher of Tales of and Ni No Kuni 2?

The latter is coming to pc, how hard can it be to port to Xbox I wonder?

Ni No Kuni isn't happening since they burned bridges with Level 5
Tales isn't happening since it's proven that it doesnt sell on it when Vesperia nearly killed the franchise

 

[Balfour]

Tales isn't happening since it's proven that it doesnt sell on it when Vesperia nearly killed the franchise

Sad times. I thought Vesperia was top quality

 

[get2sammyb]

Yeah but you know.... there are people that highly favor Xbox over PS4 and would love to see more Japanese games on it. There are also people who just don't want a PS4. I will be getting one sometime next year, but if they come to Xbox I will buy the game for that.

Which is absolutely fine, but if you want to play all those games and they are not announced for the system you favour, maybe it’s time to get the one where you can play them all. Or look into a PC or something.

It’s like, the original post wasn’t just talking about one game - it literally listed about 12.

 

[tuna_love]

Still doesn't compare to Miyamoto. At all.

i dont know

 

[LiquidSolid]

That's cool. Hopefully they discuss games that have yet to arrive on Xbox. Aren't they the publisher of Tales of and Ni No Kuni 2?

The latter is coming to pc, how hard can it be to port to Xbox I wonder?

Harada's the head of the Tekken team, so I wouldn't get my hopes up.

 

[Maximilian Kolbe]

Harada's the head of the Tekken team, so I wouldn't get my hopes up.

They're going to play idol master together then.

 

[LordBaztion]

so, Summer Lesson for Windows MR?

 

[jbug617]

Harada's the head of the Tekken team, so I wouldn't get my hopes up.

he wouldn't only meeting with Harada at Namco. Probably get to see what new for DBFZ and Code Vein. Maybe some unannounced stuff also.

 

[Wagram]

Yes, Nier is niche.

Just because it exceeded expectations doesn't mean it isn't niche. If anything, I think the great word of mouth is what helped it.

Now you can argue that the original Nier was on the 360 so Automata should be on Xbox One. That would at least be a valid point. But I imagine they have sales data on the original Nier for 360 to suggest porting Automata wasn't going to matter much in terms of sales.

2m copies is niche now. Wonder what Halo Wars 2 was.

non-existent?

Are you trying to imply that a console RTS game isn't niche?

I'm implying that your post was stupid.

 

[Toki767]

2m copies is niche now. Wonder what Halo Wars 2 was.

non-existent?

Are you trying to imply that a console RTS game isn't niche?

 

[LiquidSolid]

he wouldn't only meeting with Harada at Namco. Probably get to see what new for DBFZ and Code Vein. Maybe some unannounced stuff also.

Of course but going from Harada to Tales of/Ni No Kuni is a big leap (especially since No no Kuni is Level 5's IP, not Bandai Namco's).

 

[Pein]

if they get better versions of 3rd party games I’ll get them over the PS4 pro versions.

I liked it when Xbox was so competitive with Japanese games, eternal sonata and vesperia were my jam.

 

[koutoru]

*Imagines Phil meeting with Atlus*

Phil: We really think Persona 5 would be a great fit for our platform. We'd like to assist you in bringing it to Xbox
Atlus: OK.
Phil: We'd also like to help you bring it to Xbox One X and take advantage of the extra opprotunities that the hardware provides.
Atlus: Hmm. Maybe.
Phil: In addition we would also love it to be part of our "Play Anywhere" program where if you buy it on Xbox you can get it on PC-.
Atlus: Get out.

 

[Yearsoflurking]

Are you trying to imply that a console RTS game isn't niche?

No he saying a a console rts like halo wars is niche not nier