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Platinum boss says next-gen consoles ‘more of the same’.
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Zog
Banned
I think the point is that the uniqueness of different consoles is gone. For example, the Genesis had different strengths to the Super Nintendo and it affected the libraries on both.
MaximusPayne
Member
Sounds like backwards thinking to me.
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sublimit
Banned
Yup. These are some obvious double standards because unlike PS3 streaming platforms are their best chance for those publishers to finally kill the physical market. Of course they will never admit that so they use lame excuses instead.
llien
Member
Huh? Cherny, the chief architect of PS4 went into details on how he moved to Japan years ago, etc.
Ol'Scratch
Member
Seems to me that I remember hearing much the same last gen. Yes indeed sugar plums and pixies beaming from the cloud making games magically delicious. Very familar.
PhilipDoesMatter
Member
Good. That's what I wanted to hear.
deriks
4-Time GIF/Meme God
They argue about just being graphics upgrade, but not something that really changes the industry. The last step that made this was the jump to HD/Widescreen.
Also, the PS3 was a beefy machine. Weird, but beefy.
Airbus Jr
Banned
LMJ
Member
Yeah this right here, sorry if I don't take your word as gospel Platinum but you certainly didn't seem to do anything with the unique architecture of the PlayStation 3 except run home to Mama complain about how complicated it was and dumping on Sega...
I love me some Platinum Games, (MGR, W101, etc)but let's not play the simple fact is with more computational capabilities and graphical power you'll be able to do a great deal more as long as you don't get bogged down in the resolution BS
It's not like a unique architecture is going to magically make you discover some rainbow fairy inside that's going to unleash magic that we've never seen before...
SlashBringingHasher
Banned
am not surprised. the consoles are no longer made by the actual company. they are bought parts 100%. leaves very little room to innovate when you buy off the shelf custom PC parts to build a console that cost more than making your own.
I would think the generation after this, or a mid-gen refresh, could bring enough power to make game experiences feel like a major leap - if you've got 4k and 60fps, real ray-tracing, maybe something like a dedicated physics chip, all the hair and clothing effects, wind and weather - plus Dolby Vision color grading, or at least competent HDR - all of it off fast SSDs - workable cloud computing - and more CPU power plus continued innovation in game design - procedural generation, "narrative Lego", Nemesis system/RDR2 derivations like WD Legion's, the kind of reactive, visually transformational stuff Dying Light 2 is trying.. AAA and inventive AA and indie games could make today's games look as dated as something like Super Mario 64..
Lionel Richie
Member
LMAO how much of a soulless corporate zombie do you have to be to say shit like that with a straight face?
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
Everything is there next gen for developers to create another AAA game
PuppetMaster
Member
I feel something was lost in translation during that interview.
Inaba can't be that stupid right?
Inaba can't be that stupid right?
Zog
Banned
...or last gen with the 'HD Twins'. I have always said that in a direct competition with PC, consoles can't win.
Codes 208
Member
Ehh, not quite. Last gen there was a night and day difference between the 360’s powerPC and ps3’s cell processor. Hypothetically the ps3 shouldve ran circles around the 360 but ultimately the 360 had better ports and higher rez/frames due to its easier and simplified architecture. This gen was about taking out the middle-man by making the systems directly pc-based.
Can consoles win against PC? Technically no because the best graphics cards offen cost more than a console. But thats ok because they dont need to. Consoles havent been direct competition for pc since, ever really. PC gaming for the longest time was more for enthusiasts while gaming as a whole was more console-oriented.
Zog
Banned
I would say that if consoles and PC share the same library for multiplats then they are competing. Consoles lost what made them unique and are now just less capable PC's.
Kazekage1981
Member
PC's eventually surpassed whatever console could do. Why do people have a strong desire to play console games on PC's using emulators with enhanced graphics and mods with better GPU's and CPUs? Plus all the old games on consoles you can play online on PC's.
Everything has evolved for the better: better graphics, sound, storage, online, social media, streaming and its only going to get better. Yes their is some nostalgia to the good ol'days, but you cant bring the good ol days back.
My only criticism for the video game industry is the cost of development, the process of development, and sustainability/consistency of development. Making triple AAA games with hi fidelity graphics, immersion, replay value (its getting more expensive and its hard for a studio to sustain profitability)
Zog
Banned
Well I meant that the mandatory installs and huge updates. They are no longer put in a disc/cartridge and play. Consoles used to be unique to each other and unique to PC but now they are neither. Whatever, I don't really care enough to argue about it, I just think that current course of consoles isn't healthy for their own future. We can agree to disagree.
This. All 3 platform holders realized this, which is why Sony and Microsoft went x86 and Nintendo went ARM. (And actually, Nintendo tried to go ARM/Tegra 2 with the 3DS but nVidia couldn't get it done for them.)
MiyazakiHatesKojima
Banned
Cancelling Astral Chain pre-order as we speak.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Devs:
- Hardware too hard to program for
- Hardware too expensive, so not enough gamers will buy it
- Console maker wants to charge us money for dev kits
- Not enough ram
- CPU is shit
- Retailers and digital marketplace owners are greedy asses taking 30% margins
Console maker:
- We do the R&D
- We often take a loss at the beginning, consoles not very profitable even years down the line
- We're the ones getting up and running servers, digital marketplaces, online gaming
- Here's an idea? How about one of you devs give it a go and make an awesome console system with solid ecosystem?
Devs: Crickets........... By the way console maker, can us game makers release more of the same too? Can we release Bayonetta 3, FIFA 20, Call of Duty Game #12, Street Fighter Game #25, Assassin's Creed Game #10, and Tekken 9?
- Hardware too hard to program for
- Hardware too expensive, so not enough gamers will buy it
- Console maker wants to charge us money for dev kits
- Not enough ram
- CPU is shit
- Retailers and digital marketplace owners are greedy asses taking 30% margins
Console maker:
- We do the R&D
- We often take a loss at the beginning, consoles not very profitable even years down the line
- We're the ones getting up and running servers, digital marketplaces, online gaming
- Here's an idea? How about one of you devs give it a go and make an awesome console system with solid ecosystem?
Devs: Crickets........... By the way console maker, can us game makers release more of the same too? Can we release Bayonetta 3, FIFA 20, Call of Duty Game #12, Street Fighter Game #25, Assassin's Creed Game #10, and Tekken 9?
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
You don’t know shit. Just stop.
Godzilla Emu
Banned
You're exactly right. And even though I'm the complete opposite example of a typical Nintendo fanboy (I'm a hardcore late-1980's Commodore kid), both of those console platforms are ones that I'm still playing games on right now.
But in saying that, the Commodore Amiga defined modern computing as we know it now and that was the first example of pure convergence of software and significant hardware innovation (outdoing Apple of the era by a large margin). So I'm going to agree to disagree with myself.
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CyberPanda
Banned
Pretends to be shocked.
The devs behind Donkey Kong gave it a go and seemed to have done pretty well for themselves...
Eteric Rice
Member
I mean, I guess he's not wrong. We have an idea of whats going to be in these boxes. They're going to be boxes with more powerful hardware. They'll be able to do the same stuff that we've done already, but bigger and prettier.
Best to not get caught up in the hype to much. Lol.
Best to not get caught up in the hype to much. Lol.
Trimesh
Banned
That's really not true about the NES though - the device that really makes the machine what it is (and what allowed them to generate level of graphics they did in a system with only 4K of RAM) is the PPU - and that's a fully custom chip that was designed by Ricoh to Nintendo's specifications. The CPU is also a custom chip, although it's basically just a a 6502 with some clock logic and added audio circuits. If you want a machine that genuinely was built from off-the-shelf parts, try Sega's SG-1000, which was actually released on the same day as the Famicom, although not with quite the same level of success.
For the Wii, it's a lot closer to the truth. The Wii is basically a Gamecube with a die-shrunk and up-clocked GPU and CPU, more RAM and a new security system (which, in the time-honored manner of Nintendo security systems, looked pretty good on paper but had terrible implementation flaws). The fact that the original prototypes of the Wii motion controls that have been found were designed to plug into a GDEV make it pretty clear what the development trajectory was, and why the final system architecture is so similar to the GC.
PendekarRajawali
Member
The next consoles in my opinion are only PCs with the closed ecosystem.
Trimesh
Banned
The PS4 and Xbox One are basically the same in this respect - at their core, they are PC architecture devices except with unified memory. The key advantage that a console system has is that the software only has to support the hardware configurations that have been shipped and the exposed APIs can be carefully chosen and limited to the ones that the hardware can support with minimum overhead. As a result, the console system will generally produce better results than the same hardware would if it was running a general purpose OS.
One thing I can see potentially happening is for the developers to start writing for the lowest common denominator. Say you have two consoles X and Y with the same basic architecture, but X has a more powerful main CPU and Y has a more powerful GPU - but if you are developing multi platform then there would be an obvious incentive to develop the game so it would run on both systems with minimal modification. The easiest way to do this is to develop it so it would run on both the weaker GPU and the weaker CPU.
Godzilla Emu
Banned
Technically, the PS3 was someone who was physically toned but always skipped leg day. The Xbox 360 was Arnold in his prime.
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