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PlayStation 4 hits 20.2 million units sold worldwide (high sodium content warning)
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nvidia is winning but they're always salty
Its to amp up investors/shareholders. Just look at the stock numbers anytime positive sale figures are announced
its to amp up potential Devs to come to a large install base
Aquamarine
Member
PlayStation isn't all that profitable, so it's often glossed over by investors.
Sony is doing this to boost perception to the prospective end-user.
Sidewinder
Member
And it makes for some nice headlines all over the world in the specialized press/blogs whatever.
LOL, this is kinda like asking why body builders love to flex out their muscles for others to see
Uh, thats 20 years ago...
You are right that something is amiss, but his comment was 10-15 years ago.
The PS2 was released in that time frame, so was the OG Xbox.
PS2 : 299 MHz
Xbox : 733 MHz
Intel PIII : Max. CPU clock rate 450 MHz to 1.4 GHz
I know you are the resident Numbers person on GAF, so I value what you are saying.
I agree with your point its to show potential end-user that the product will be supported.
But I will disagree that they are NOT doing it for investors. Like you say PlayStation isn't all that profitable, by releasing these number it gives investor confidence that when its time to diversify their portfolios.
Not only can I put stock in the Insurance sector, but also the PlayStation side of things
SDCowboy
Member
When are you crushing the next closest competition, why would you not shout it from the rooftops? That's like PR 101. It's no different than TV networks mentioning they're #1, or car companies advertising their car is the best selling.
The numbers might seem random, but the times they announce them are not random.
E3, Gamescom, end of quarter financial results, GDC etc.
Hexa
Member
I think its mostly based on events and dates. The 13.5 was about one year from the PS4's launch. The 18.5 was post holiday season.
Edit: lol Beaten.
kenji_sama
Member
Looking at some of the posts in the previous pages and this is all I can say:
But seriously, why does a thread about PS4 sales always turn into a PS4 vs PC discussion? It's ridiculous.
Maybe It's GDC time.
Aquamarine
Member
Sony is a consolidated company.
It is already known the PS4 is a growth opp. for the company.
And, PS4 as a growth opp. is already factored into Sony's share price.
So, excessive PR is to boost perception for end-users only.
elcuervo75
Banned
Happy for Sony, but this probably means it will be longer for a price reduced slim model to come out. That's what I'm waiting for. :-(
I stand corrected on bolded.
But I we will have to agree to disagree on that the end-users is their only reason to releasing the numbers, though I wouldnt blow that reason off at all.
Whether it's GDC, E3 or PSX, some random PC elitist will come to a thread about PS4 sales and start pouring out salt. Those guys really need to get a life
Aquamarine
Member
The value of the PS4 being really successful has already been taken into consideration by investors, so there is no reason to further reach out to them.
Meanwhile, Sony could always use another PS4-positive headline at all the major gaming websites because there are always more consumers to convince.
derExperte
Member
I wonder what would happen if in the next thread about good PC numbers (be it Steam users, graphics card sales, revenue) I'd call the console folks who usually pop up in droves salty peasants.
To be fair, it's just as annoying whether it's on a thread about PC or consoles. I don't see the point in flame wars. Why can't we all just enjoy the systems we bought?
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
The only thing and only time it was true, now that I think about it. High-end PCs around that time could pull off similar experiences to consoles, but the talent for those kind of games (fighters, shmups, platformers etc.) weren't really around aside from the odd man like Epic.
In their defense....
...back then a better CPU in the PC scene did not automatically mean it'd be able to run those games, because lots of things console and PC devs share these days were exclusive to one field or the other back then, not to mention the architectures were wildy different. I remember reading in a Next Generation magazine for example, that Intel processors would have to dedicate some of the CPU resources (between 10-20%) for state-checking analog inputs. Consoles at the time didn't have to do that because their hardware was specifically designed to not have something like state-checking an analog input's position suck away CPU power.
That claim may seem a bit ridiculous (I'd put it closer to 10% myself), but even so that isn't too hard a thing to accept when you think about it. The power of the CPU probably plays a role too but we'll assume this is a modest processor. Then take into consideration things like background PC services and OS overhead, and it's easy to see why a 100 Mhz Pentium wouldn't exactly blow past a PS1 in 3D gaming without a good deal of extra hardware like dedicated graphics cards.
Your original statement makes even less sense when you consider PCs were getting games like System Shock, Little Big Adventure, AITD and Descent during the mid/tailend of the 16-bit era. Games that would've never worked on consoles, even w/ SuperFX/SVP chips in the carts.
2000
Playstation:
CPU: 294.912 MHz
GPU: 147.456 MHz 4MB
PC
CPU: Athlon 1 GHz / Pentium III 1GHz
GPU:
- ATi Radeon R100: Radeon DDR/7200 : 166Mhz 32MB
- 3dfx (1999) Voodoo3 3500 TV SE : 200Mhz 16MB
The point is consoles where never the top specwise. And I am pretty sure lots of people, old enough, have hardware like that not "some grey boxes in the basement"
My first computer was a PC 386.... When the computer became wide spread it already outclassed any console game since forever.
Insane Metal
Member
Goddamn, that's a lot. But it still has nothing on PS2's lineup on the same time frame. Too bad.
The 13.5 number was for shareholders, it was in their quarterly report. The 18.5 was the "end of the year" number.
Which makes me wonder much more might it sell once its library grows some more.
Congrats, Sony. You have proved without a doubt that the console market is very much alive and thriving.
Aquamarine
Member
As a qualifier to this post:
Sony reports PS4 shipment updates every quarter. Internally, they have achieved absolutely no milestones outside of hitting the end of a fiscal period.
1) ps4 ltd shipped (2013-12-31) - 4.5 million
2) ps4 ltd shipped (2014-03-31) - 7.5 million
3) ps4 ltd shipped (2014-06-30) - 10.2 million
4) ps4 ltd shipped (2014-09-30) - 13.5 million
5) ps4 ltd shipped (2014-12-31) - 19.9 million
Hexa
Member
They were never top spec, but I think bang for buck ration was much more massive back then. The first computer I got around 1997 was comparable to that for the time with a Pentium II but cost around $1500 IIRC.
Lots of other advantages to consoles though.
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
And there is the fact that Microsoft won't announce theirs anytime soon. Creating the image that the competitor is doing even worse than they are.
hahahaha, I'm sure. pause and PS buttom are sufficient but I use my PS3 for Netflix. just seems like a ridiculous reason to wait unless they plan on getting games at a discount, if this is true now that's a good idea.
Nealand Liquor
Member
I'm in my 30s, been gaming since I got my first console at age 9 (NES), and the whole argument on power output of console vs pc's is completely obtuse. PC's have always been been more powerful and have always had the ability to provide better graphics.
The above is something that everybody knew and wasn't ever a debate. I am sure the only reason why we're seeing this argument coming up at all is because the ones debating it are too young to base their opinion off of experience.
The above is something that everybody knew and wasn't ever a debate. I am sure the only reason why we're seeing this argument coming up at all is because the ones debating it are too young to base their opinion off of experience.
lol
BlackBuzzard
Banned
Nothing! Its a nice decorative piece and a status symbol.
MatrixMan.EXE
Member
Of the countless amounts of games that came out for PS4 in 2014, you don't know what people are playing on it?
Love these driveby shitposts
Well, Shadow Fall is the best selling exclusive out of the HD twins as far as we know, beyond exclusives, Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, Battlefield, Destiny, Watch Dogs, & FIFA are the best selling games on next gen.
EDIT: Shadow Fall is actually the best proof that reviews don't mean shit to the general public.
Any idea why they released the numbers now rather than wait to the end of the fiscal year at the end of this month?
Zombie James
Banned
GDC?
Lol some of you guys are so out of touch.
Stone Ocean
Member
Destiny, Call of Duty, FIFA, Battlefield, Assassin's Creed, Far Cry
dead monkey uk
Member
This question needs to be answered, with so few games released for the PS4. I for one have finished all 245 games released so far.
http://www.listwar.com/released-games/
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Knack
Are you serious ? Lol
Cornbread78
Member
Wow....
Ya know, I wish Cream could give us the top 10 PS4 games sold and an approx # to go on for this.... IT would be glorious...