Judging from the videos, no.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Sm_NJTwbUBM#t=291s
Kratos does his super, but Radec and Fat Princess retain their meters.
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Playstation All Stars Battle Royale Discussion thread [Up: Leakfest #11]
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Judging from the videos, no.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Sm_NJTwbUBM#t=291s
Kratos does his super, but Radec and Fat Princess retain their meters.
I'm a big Smash fan, so I'm glad to see more games exploring the formula. As for being a ripoff, well, the fighting game genre is composed almost entirely of ripoffs. This looks about as mechanically similar to Smash as Guilty Gear is to Street Fighter. Hell, I wish they'd steal even more from Smash. Take DI and the percentage system too, they'd be improvements.
As for characters, I know it might sound blasphemous, but I wanna play as Ico or Wander.
As for characters, I know it might sound blasphemous, but I wanna play as Ico or Wander.
Supermanisdead
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Lol, I have a feeling a lot of blogs will write things like this because of SNES players writing them and people who had N64 along with their PS1, and not teens and young 20s who's only childhood systems were PS1 and 2.
Mikey Jr.
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I know. Holy shit.
"Lol, the characters aren't classic enough!
2/10"
ANYWAYS, new videos look fucking great. I love the mashup of the stages. Hades beating the shit out of Patapons is great.
The possibilities are endless.
Professor Beef
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They own Team Ico too, IIRC.
Supermanisdead
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They should have a Playstation Home character too. His level 1 Super can be that slowass loading screen that makes you forget why you even picked him.
Mikey Jr.
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Yeah, truly.
Thats the good thing about a company that creates a lot of new IP's, rather than just sticking to the same mascots. No offense to Nintendo, just saying that Sony probably has a bigger pool to choose from.
Ploid 3.0
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Ape Escape is just as iconic as Kratos IMOlol The Monkey would fit so good ;___; I'm so hyped for the reveals
You just know some form of Ape Escape is going to be in it. Those monkeys have been trolling along in other games for a long time. If Snake is in this he could even comment on meeting them again hah. It has to be Spike though, he has so many gadgets that are perfect for this. Traps, ranged things, etc. Can use the apes in some way like Fat Princess and her army.
funkystudent
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his level 3 can be sending you creepy PSN messages because you picked a female fighter.
Oh and while we are on the SSB vs All stars thing. come to think of it All stars is happening at the same point in Sony's console history as smash bro's happen in Nintendos.
Both first appeared near the end of both companies 3rd console.
Was Mario a classic character in 1999?
Callibretto
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At the very least. they'll make it as cameo in levels. Pretty sure about thatApe Escape is just as iconic as Kratos IMO
You guys have to understand something. Aside from Crash, early on, Sony has never really designed and marketed their marque characters to be icons in the way Nintendo has with it's stable of IP's. It becomes almost impossible to do that when you keep changing your mascot character every generation.
What Sony has are a bunch of great IP's that are fun to play but not necessarily iconic. Now that isn't really a bad thing when you depend on 3rd party games to sell your consoles to the extent that Sony do. But in a game like this it does become an issue.
Smash Bros. is an extension of the massively popular Mario Bros. characters and universe. The other characters are just support characters who have come to participate. Smash, without Mario Bros, wouldn't be nearly as popular. Link and Donkey Kong would end up being the lead characters. Even though they are both AAA support characters, it just wouldn't be the same without the weight and magnitude of Mario Bros to back it all up.
This is what Sony doesn't have for this game. Their lead character (probably sackboy) will not be iconic enough to carry the game and the support characters aren't as recognizable as Link and Donkey Kong. Imo Sony should acquire some pretty high profile 3rd party characters to help fill that icon void.
However, all of this icon nonsense will never really be a problem if the game is good or great even. And as long as their expectations on sales are around 1.5-2 Million copies which would be a fantastic start for a game like this. If Sony's expectations are to achieve numbers similar to Brawl or Melee then the lack of iconic level characters will surely be an obstacle to overcome.
What Sony has are a bunch of great IP's that are fun to play but not necessarily iconic. Now that isn't really a bad thing when you depend on 3rd party games to sell your consoles to the extent that Sony do. But in a game like this it does become an issue.
Smash Bros. is an extension of the massively popular Mario Bros. characters and universe. The other characters are just support characters who have come to participate. Smash, without Mario Bros, wouldn't be nearly as popular. Link and Donkey Kong would end up being the lead characters. Even though they are both AAA support characters, it just wouldn't be the same without the weight and magnitude of Mario Bros to back it all up.
This is what Sony doesn't have for this game. Their lead character (probably sackboy) will not be iconic enough to carry the game and the support characters aren't as recognizable as Link and Donkey Kong. Imo Sony should acquire some pretty high profile 3rd party characters to help fill that icon void.
However, all of this icon nonsense will never really be a problem if the game is good or great even. And as long as their expectations on sales are around 1.5-2 Million copies which would be a fantastic start for a game like this. If Sony's expectations are to achieve numbers similar to Brawl or Melee then the lack of iconic level characters will surely be an obstacle to overcome.
Of course, the contrary to that is that sticking to the same mascots all the time is a big part of what's allowed Nintendo to build up so much popularity around their characters.
What if the Ape Escape character was Specter?
I feel like playing as Spike kinda misses the point of playing as a character from a series about monkeys. But playing as a generic Ape instead of a named character would also kinda suck.
Specter is a monkey, and is also a named character. He could use all the gadgets Spike would, and he could also summon monkeys.
It's like how the Killzone character is Radec instead of Rico or someone. The glowing red Helghan eyes are far more iconic to the Killzone series than any human space marine.
I feel like playing as Spike kinda misses the point of playing as a character from a series about monkeys. But playing as a generic Ape instead of a named character would also kinda suck.
Specter is a monkey, and is also a named character. He could use all the gadgets Spike would, and he could also summon monkeys.
It's like how the Killzone character is Radec instead of Rico or someone. The glowing red Helghan eyes are far more iconic to the Killzone series than any human space marine.
Ploid 3.0
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Two birds, I like it. Specter it is! Good job KevinCow.
I like it. He his has more powers than a generic monkey, and can also use them in his attacks like Fat Princess uses the warriors.
Mikey Jr.
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Seems to me like some people are getting too hung up on the whole "classic characters" stuff. Like, I am supposed to have some emotional attachment to these characters to be able to enjoy the game and want to see them fight.
Regarding the graphics, I think they're ok, but they could definitely use some improvement. It needs to look "sharper" or something. It looks like there's a layer of Vaseline over the screen or something in some cases. They need to make it look really clear and sharp. And while I think they did a decent level taking on the task of making a cohesive art style for all of these characters, it could use some improvement as well.
Ultimately, the more I watched gameplay videos, the more used to the visuals I got so I'm not super worried about that in the end.
My main concern is still if the Super only KO system will end up working out or if it will feel like Final Smashes from Brawl being the only way to KO an opponent. I didn't really like the Final Smash system in Brawl and after the novelty wore out, my friends and I started playing with it turned off. So my overall attitude towards the game for now is skeptical, but excited. I really, really want this to work out.
nah, I didn't mean to imply that. Personally, there are probably more Playstation characters I'm attached to than Nintendo ones. I was simply stating that, while it's nice to get new IPs frequently and I really love that as a Playstation owner, there are also benefits of reusing characters and IPs for generations.
Ultimately, the more I watched gameplay videos, the more used to the visuals I got so I'm not super worried about that in the end.
My main concern is still if the Super only KO system will end up working out or if it will feel like Final Smashes from Brawl being the only way to KO an opponent. I didn't really like the Final Smash system in Brawl and after the novelty wore out, my friends and I started playing with it turned off. So my overall attitude towards the game for now is skeptical, but excited. I really, really want this to work out.
nah, I didn't mean to imply that. Personally, there are probably more Playstation characters I'm attached to than Nintendo ones. I was simply stating that, while it's nice to get new IPs frequently and I really love that as a Playstation owner, there are also benefits of reusing characters and IPs for generations.
BruceLeeRoy
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I would imagine that the graphics are the last thing to get the final coating with a game like this.
Mikey Jr.
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They say that they got actually fighting tournament guys to play the game/give advice, etc. which I doubt Nintendo did. Unless I'm wrong on that.
Yeah, like I said, I'm still excited to see more and to play it for myself, I'm just a little skeptical/cautious about getting too hyped at this point. I'll still almost certainly buy it though unless it ends up being shit. It does seem like there doing a lot of things right though. Kratos and his moves look almost exactly how I had envisioned it.
Again, a good chunk of the Smash roster is made up of not well known, B-Tier, Niche characters. Characters like Pit, Captain Falcom, Ice Climbers, Pikmin, Ness, Mr Game & Watch hell even R.O.B who was an accessory if I remember aren't iconic. The only notable ones that the average casual gamer would know about are the major 6: Mario, Zelda, Kirby,Metroid, DK and Pokemon. Sony's Icons are made up of Crash, Spyro, Kratos, Nathan, Sackboy and the other obvious ones I'm missing. They may not be as iconic as Mario but they are up there. I don't get how people keep thinking they aren't
I'm assuming it will end up being something like All-Stars is to Smash Bros as Battle Royale is to Melee. So I'll probably refer to it as Battle Royale mostly.
I'm assuming future entries will be titled "Playstation All-Stars ________"
Gonna use PSAS abbreviation. Sounds like 'pizazz' which this game does have.
So yeah
If Sony is not that stupid and want this game to sell to japanese PS fans they should have many characters from SCEJ ( Japanese PS fans don't give a flaying poop about Kratos or the Helghast)
these SCEJ guys should/must be in -at least- if Sony want to purplish this game in Japan.
-Toro,Kuro (SCEJ mascot)
-Spike and Specter (Ape Escape )
-Ari and Stan (Okage: Shadow King)
-Dart and Rose (Legend of Dragoon)
-Vibri ( Vib Ribbon)
-Robbit Jumbing Flash)
-Pietro (PoPoLoCrois)
-Ellen and Keats (Folklore)
-Maximilian and Monica (Dark Cloud 2)
I really hope the game is not full of PS3 era SCEE/SCEA characters (the fact that Fat Princess is in made me very worried about the roster)
It's not about emotional attachment it's about marketability. Sony wants this game to sell well. If the characters don't matter at all then the developers simply could have made up a whole new batch of characters just for this game.
No matter how good a game like this is, it is always better to have recognizable playable characters rather than unknown new characters. Doing this increases the marketability of the game, and thus increases the sales of the game exponentially.
In that same regard you just can't stick any characters in the game, and expect it to sell well. The characters chosen have to have a certain likability and appeal to them that would make a large amount of gamers want to play as or against them.
For the game to simply be fun, the characters used shouldn't be an issue at all. But if the game is to sell well enough to warrant sequels, then it is usually a good idea to have as many high profile iconic characters as possible in order to market it to the fans of those characters.
I will preorder this game immediately if I hear that Sony managed to get Naughty Dog/Insomniac era Crash and Spyro in this game. Don't have a clue if it would happen though, Crash is a dead IP at this point and Skylanders may prove troublesome for Spyro, choosing to represent that game instead of his PS1 incarnation wouldn't be celebrating Playstation's history.
Apeopleman
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Radec alllll day
I understand your apprehension on the concept, and I share your skepticism to a degree, but as I mentioned earlier in the thread there was a game called Shrek Super Slam that I remember playing years ago that used a nearly identical battle system (only in a Power Stone 3D environment). I remember the game actually being quite a bit of fun, albeit extremely rough around the edges (it was just some licenses game made by a shitty developer, so it's to be expected). But it gives me hope that a talented dev team could make something exciting out of the concept.
Not sure how it'll stack up against Smash, but I really do want to give it a shot and hope it turns out great.
Come on, now. I like Sony's stuff, and I think they've developed a much better lineup than many people are giving them credit for. They may not have a character as iconic as Mario, but that is a ridiculously high standard. Regardless, they've managed to build up a good roster of recognizable faces, old and new, popular and obscure.
But that bolded part? Crazy talk, yo. Nintendo's pool is Olympic-size. Brawl has 35 characters, and even if you upped that to 50 for the next game, you still probably wouldn't be able cover all the most popular requests. There just aren't many companies out there who can compete with Nintendo on that.
NoirVisage
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Options via game modes would be great, maybe each teir takes more off the meter
I should be doing hw
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I bet Sony Smash will used as shorthand for some people. It's just easy and you know what a person means when they say it.
So what happens in this game when your health bar drops to zero, do you just die and respawn? I've missed where they've possibly covered this in detail.
there is no health bar in the game, the only way to die is to be hit by a super move.
I think she is supposed to be
It was kind of weird watching that after watching their pretty positive in depth 2 part video of the game.
I should be doing hw
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So what's the bar at the bottom of each portrait represent then? Super level?
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