Playstation Move Thread: It Only Does Everything

[btkadams]

yo so what is with the nav controller not coming with a lanyard? it has holes for one..

did i get fucked over, or does it actually not come with one?

ps: loving this shit. i really want to go pick up a game thats good for it but sports champions seems pricey for what it actually is. is it deep at all? i've played the demo but it seems to be completely shallow (though controls are great and it's still fun). i just want a lasting experience if i'm spending 40 bucks.

 

[mik]

sports champions seems pricey for what it actually is. is it deep at all?

Very. Totally worth $40.

 

[spwolf]

Got move package today, getting my ps3 tonight... in croatia, they got no stock of SC game anymore (sold out 105 copies they got, on day one, yay sales charts!) and they didnt even get standalone move controllers yet, due to ww shortage.

 

[BomberMouse]

Yeah, the Time Crisis demo came with the Playstation Move starter kit in America. It sold me on the game after playing through it about a half a dozen times.

I was really looking forward to it but it seems quite bad IMHO, the shoot looks and feels much better.

Let's hope for a MM developed Play.Create.Share on rails shooter

 

[BomberMouse]

Lick them.

I live in apartment. Is there a lot of jumping in Move games? If so I won't be able to get it.

Not at all, I live in an apartment too and no angry neighbors so far.

EDIT: oops, sorry for the DP.

 

[TuxBobble]

yo so what is with the nav controller not coming with a lanyard? it has holes for one..

did i get fucked over, or does it actually not come with one?

ps: loving this shit. i really want to go pick up a game thats good for it but sports champions seems pricey for what it actually is. is it deep at all? i've played the demo but it seems to be completely shallow (though controls are great and it's still fun). i just want a lasting experience if i'm spending 40 bucks.

Doesn't come with one; doesn't need one. There's no motion sensors in the Nav, I don't think, so why you'd need to tether it (to your wrist), I don't know.

It would be like strapping a 360 controller to your wrist...

 

[btkadams]

Doesn't come with one; doesn't need one. There's no motion sensors in the Nav, I don't think, so why you'd need to tether it (to your wrist), I don't know.

It would be like strapping a 360 controller to your wrist...

if there's no point to tethering it, why do they have the holes on the bottom so that you can? i know there's no motion sensing in it haha, but i just think its weird that they did that.

 

[DownWithTheShip]

So what are people's opinions on Tiger Woods 11? How does it compare to the Wii?

 

[AndyMoogle]

Doesn't come with one; doesn't need one. There's no motion sensors in the Nav, I don't think, so why you'd need to tether it (to your wrist), I don't know.

It would be like strapping a 360 controller to your wrist...

What? I thought it had motion sensors... Why the hell does it cost as much as a 360 controller then?

 

[chubigans]

I have to say that High Velocity Bowling is fairly disappointing with the Move. I have a much better time using my standard controller. Phooey.

Also I'll make a Tumble thread later today.

Oh and Giant Bomb does a Quick Look on 3 Move Titles.

 

[darkwing]

Not at all, I live in an apartment too and no angry neighbors so far.

EDIT: oops, sorry for the DP.

well i sometimes jump in volleyball during the heat of the moment :lol

 

[°°ToMmY°°]

if there's no point to tethering it, why do they have the holes on the bottom so that you can? i know there's no motion sensing in it haha, but i just think its weird that they did that.

there's a hole in phones, psp and every handheld device created, not just ones that require you to swing them.

 

[jiggles]

I have to say that High Velocity Bowling is fairly disappointing with the Move. I have a much better time using my standard controller. Phooey.

I really like it. All I was looking for was a Wii Sports bowling equivalent, but I like that you can't just plonk your bowler down and aim. You have to actually move to where you want to throw from and face where you want to aim (a concept my girlfriend was really struggling with, due to being so used to Wii :lol )

 

[distrbnce]

yo so what is with the nav controller not coming with a lanyard? it has holes for one..

did i get fucked over, or does it actually not come with one?

ps: loving this shit. i really want to go pick up a game thats good for it but sports champions seems pricey for what it actually is. is it deep at all? i've played the demo but it seems to be completely shallow (though controls are great and it's still fun). i just want a lasting experience if i'm spending 40 bucks.

Er, Sports Champions is worth every bit of $40 and then some. It's as shallow as each of the sports' real-life counterparts... (which is to say, not)

Volleyball is my least favorite, but only because I've been too busy playing the others to give it a proper chance. I've had it for a week now and still can't wait to clock out so I can get back to improving my new skills.

 

[Bad_Boy]

move controllers sold out at 2 gamestops near me. shortage confirmed.

 

[MrPliskin]

move controllers sold out at 2 gamestops near me. shortage in my area confirmed.

Fixed that for you

 

[teiresias]

So Table Tennis sort of frustrated me this morning. Anywhere to buy replacement wrist straps?

 

[AndyD]

So Table Tennis sort of frustrated me this morning. Anywhere to buy replacement wrist straps?

LOL. You can buy some generic ones at Walmart/Target, usually in the cell phone department. I bought some quick snap ones and made easy on/off keychains.

 

[tomedo]

Caved in and got the starter pack (EU), Sports Champions and extra controller. Spend couple of hours with SC and yeah, its just as excellent everyone is saying.

 

[btkadams]

What? I thought it had motion sensors... Why the hell does it cost as much as a 360 controller then?

its 30 bucks where i live. and 360 control/dualshocks are like 60.

 

[Loudninja]

PushSquare - Second Look: Planet MiniGolf on PlayStation 3 Review
http://www.pushsquare.com/19251/second-look-planet-minigolf-on-playstation-3-review/

There first reivew
http://www.pushsquare.com/14883/planet-minigolf-on-playstation-3-review/

Nice improvement.

 

[levious]

So Table Tennis sort of frustrated me this morning. Anywhere to buy replacement wrist straps?

I bet you could call up nintendo and get some for free!

 

[gcubed]

Fixed that for you

yeah, its very hit or miss. The Gamestops and best buys near me are all sold out, but if i go to the other side of town (about a 30 minute ride), the 4 closest best buys all have them

 

[MrPliskin]

yeah, its very hit or miss. The Gamestops and best buys near me are all sold out, but if i go to the other side of town (about a 30 minute ride), the 4 closest best buys all have them

I actually find it quite interesting that 'sold out' seems to happen in very specific areas, almost as if word of mouth has sold it there, and not in other areas. It would be an interesting topic for sure.

For instance, here in lovely Manhattan Kansas, we are sold out, but 40 minutes away in the lovely land of Topeka, they have them in spades.

 

[Jim]

I have to say that High Velocity Bowling is fairly disappointing with the Move. I have a much better time using my standard controller. Phooey.

I wasn't sure if I liked HV Bowling with the Move at first, but since I found the sweet spot and practiced a bit, my average has jumped up a fair amount and I can beat some tournaments I couldn't beat before.

 

[gofreak]

There's a good interview with Shuhei Yoshida about Move here.

http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2010/09/shuhei-yoshida/

Wired.com: Move is much more accurate than the Wii remote, so it can be used to create much more complex games. But will those be attractive to a general audience?

Shuhei Yoshida: We never intended to use the accuracy as-is, because that makes games totally unplayable…. But people love one-to-one, they really enjoy seeing on the screen what you are doing, actually tracked. Our teams have devised a way to make you feel that everything you do is accurately tracked….

It’s taking the intent of the player by looking exactly at what he or she is doing, but assisting, filtering it a little bit, and still giving a little bit of what he or she has done. You feel like, “This is what I intended.” It makes you feel like a good player, but still allows people to progress from entry level to advanced. You remove the assistance bit by bit. Games become more challenging, but at the same time you understand completely that if you fail it’s your fault, and if you succeed it’s your achievement. I think that’s a new requirement for designing games using accurate motion tracking. But unless you have accurate motion tracking, you cannot create that depth of gameplay.

Wired.com: Are you reaching out to more developers that you haven’t worked with in the past to create these Move games?

Yoshida: Most of our launch titles are done by new developers that we are working with. The initial focus for the first two or three years on PS3 was our core audience. We are trying to reach a broader audience with Move titles, especially with dedicated titles, so we reached out to developers who have that kind of thinking. We are going to make dedicated games for more traditional gamers, as well.

More interesting stuff at the link, including also some commentary on the Japanese appetite for western games, or lack thereof.

 

[mrklaw]

someone disappointed in Sports Champions, but will persevere to see if things improve.

Archery seemed hit or miss when aiming, even after calibrating time and time again. Often my left hand would be practically pointing at the ceiling in an attempt to aim at something, plus your hand/move has a tendency to obscure the target. I'm finding myself having to work around the game controls which I had hoped not to need to do.



Bocce is a lot of fun though. It'll take some time to get used to the amount of finesse it allows, but multiplayer is great already.

Any tips for frisbee golf? how do you make it fly straight? My shots always tend to kick out to the right a little, then curve left.

 

[Lonely1]

someone disappointed in Sports Champions, but will persevere to see if things improve.

Archery seemed hit or miss when aiming, even after calibrating time and time again. Often my left hand would be practically pointing at the ceiling in an attempt to aim at something, plus your hand/move has a tendency to obscure the target. I'm finding myself having to work around the game controls which I had hoped not to need to do.



Bocce is a lot of fun though. It'll take some time to get used to the amount of finesse it allows, but multiplayer is great already.

Any tips for frisbee golf? how do you make it fly straight? My shots always tend to kick out to the right a little, then curve left.

Taht's how frisbee goes in real life. Sorry.

 

[Bradach]

someone disappointed in Sports Champions, but will persevere to see if things improve.

Archery seemed hit or miss when aiming, even after calibrating time and time again. Often my left hand would be practically pointing at the ceiling in an attempt to aim at something, plus your hand/move has a tendency to obscure the target. I'm finding myself having to work around the game controls which I had hoped not to need to do.

Tip for archery. When you notch the arrow (bring the 2 moves together) that will be the level point or mid point. If you notch them with the 'bow' pointing a bit down you'll have to compensate by pointing at the ceiling.

 

[teiresias]

LOL. You can buy some generic ones at Walmart/Target, usually in the cell phone department. I bought some quick snap ones and made easy on/off keychains.

Hehe, I'm having a very hard time judging my paddle's depth placement once it's no longer over the table and I can't see a shadow on the table. This is particularly true when my opponent hits slow lobs that will bounce both high off the table and far back. Now I'm pretty regularly missing hard lobs in that situation because I can't get the paddle lined up correctly depth-wise. It's my only complaint with the game at this point.

Of course, I also had something rattling around in the controller after my little tantrum, so I opened it up and dumped this little tab of plastic out of the control that had broken off. No idea where it came from, but the Move is working fine so whatever. :lol I hadn't done anything like that since the SNES days.

 

[krypt0nian]

Do not taunt the Playstation Move controller.

 

[AndyD]

Hehe, I'm having a very hard time judging my paddle's depth placement once it's no longer over the table and I can't see a shadow on the table. This is particularly true when my opponent hits slow lobs that will bounce both high off the table and far back. Now I'm pretty regularly missing hard lobs in that situation because I can't get the paddle lined up correctly depth-wise. It's my only complain with the game at this point.

Of course, I also had something rattling around in the controller after my little tantrum, so I opened it up and dumped this little tab of plastic out of the control that had broken off. No idea where it came from, but the Move is working fine so whatever. :lol I hadn't done anything like that since the SNES days.

Yea, it takes a bit of getting used to.

But like the real game, judging the depth of the ball for impact is one of the most important and difficult things to get right and master. You have to calculate the trajectory in your head and be at the right place at the right time, incredibly fast against good players.

That said, from what I understand playing in 3D helps as the depth is more like real life, as opposed to relying on judging the distance based on size and shadow.

 

[chubigans]

I wasn't sure if I liked HV Bowling with the Move at first, but since I found the sweet spot and practiced a bit, my average has jumped up a fair amount and I can beat some tournaments I couldn't beat before.

Hmm, maybe I should give it another go.

Official Tumble thread is also live: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=408360

 

[marc^o^]

There's a good interview with Shuhei Yoshida about Move here.

http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2010/09/shuhei-yoshida/





More interesting stuff at the link, including also some commentary on the Japanese appetite for western games, or lack thereof.

Thanks for sharing.
The part about progressively removing assistance is a tremendous achievement in SC. To read it is intentional and a common design goal for Move titles makes me looking forward to getting back into gaming after a long break

Move is the best controller that can be, the precision is beyond the wildest dreams I had about the wiimote. The Eye, the ball... Sony probably made their smartest technological decision since CD/DVD inclusions in the first PS.

Sorry for sounding like a Sony fanboy, but I haven't been impressed like that for a very,?very long time. And I just beat Dallas in the TT Gold cup, so yeah I'm in a good mood

 

[spwolf]

i got ps3... i got mooove.... i cant to tryy

 

[distrbnce]

Wonder how this guy's feelin' right now. Does Dr. Marks have a twitter or anything? Couldn't find him in a search.

Bonus: Awesome Bio from 2004...

Richard Marks was an Avionics major at MIT before getting his PhD at Stanford in the Aerospace Robotics Lab. His thesis was in conjunction with the Monterey Bay Aquarium Research Institute, in the area of visual sensing for automatic control of an underwater robot. He then joined Teleos Research, a computer vision start-up that was later acquired by Autodesk. He departed and consulted for a year, before the unveiling of the PlayStation2 hardware inspired him to join PlayStation R&D. His research focus has been studying real-time video input to the PS2, and he is credited as the inventor of the EyeToy technology. Richard now manages the Special Projects group of Sony Computer Entertainment US R&D, which includes Man-Machine Interfaces and Physical Simulation research.

 

[cakefoo]

someone disappointed in Sports Champions, but will persevere to see if things improve.

Archery seemed hit or miss when aiming, even after calibrating time and time again. Often my left hand would be practically pointing at the ceiling in an attempt to aim at something, plus your hand/move has a tendency to obscure the target. I'm finding myself having to work around the game controls which I had hoped not to need to do.

I was in your predicament, but there's a simple solution that works every time: hold your bow hand where you normally would, but pull the string hand back at chest-height instead of jaw-height.

Any tips for frisbee golf? how do you make it fly straight? My shots always tend to kick out to the right a little, then curve left.

If you're right-handed, you're releasing too late or are just following through to the right too much. I try to launch my arm as straight forward as possible. For curve, you're just tilting the frisbee too much to the left. Though part of it is just the nature of the red (long-distance) frisbee itself; they say in the tutorials that it's more prone to curve than the shorter-range discs, so no matter how straight you try to get it it's going to be tough to get it to actually go perfectly straight.

And a tip is to play conservatively in the first 2 cups. If you're 50 feet away, don't try to chuck it straight and fast. Just aim towards the ground around the net.

 

[cgcg]

I know the Move patch for HVB is PSN+ exclusive right now but what if I buy the game new do I still have to wait a month for the patch?

 

[Killthee]

I know the Move patch for HVB is PSN+ exclusive right now but what if I buy the game new do I still have to wait a month for the patch?

If you buy the Blu-Ray version? No, the patch is already incorporated in the BD version.

If you buy the N.A. PSN version right now you'll still have to wait till the PS+ exclusivity ends. If you buy the Euro PSN version you don't have to wait. It's not PS+ exclusive in Europe, you can download the unlock key from the store for free.

 

[TTP]

If you buy the Blu-Ray version? No, the patch is already incorporated in the BD version.

If you buy the N.A. PSN version right now you'll still have to wait till the PS+ exclusivity ends. If you buy the Euro PSN version you don't have to wait. It's not PS+ exclusive in Europe, you can download the unlock key from the store for free.

BTW, working on a video about that right now.

Nice improvement over the DS3 version of course, but they took many shortcuts to add Move support. For once, there is no real 1:1 tracking. Throwing dynamics work exactly like with the DS3. As well as spin ones, oddly enough. You'll see in the vid.

 

[Varth]

finally getting the hang of hustle king with move. Training with no assist would pay off, if I wasn't always so eager to shit the match on the last shot :lol

 

[SSJ1Goku]

So Table Tennis sort of frustrated me this morning. Anywhere to buy replacement wrist straps?

:lol

 

[Tobor]

I havent been paying attention to this at all, but I was in Best Buy this evening and figured I'd try out the Move controllers They had two tv's set up, but both demos were kicked out to the XMB. It took myself and two Best Buy employees a few minutes to figure out you had to hold the trigger in order to navigate around the menus. :lol

I wonder how many people didn't bother asking for help and walked away?

 

[The Elite]

Was out tonight and I ended up buying a second Move controller. I don't really think I needed it right now but I'm dying to try out archery with two controllers. Eventually, when I get my new place I'll have friends over so it will come in handy.

EDIT: Holy shit? Does simply creating a UK account for HV bowling really work? It's updating to 2.00 now. Is that the one I need?

 

[Amir0x]

After playing for a few hours with various members of my family, there are a few big fucking problems. One, for the EyeToy to properly recognize things, you really do need the advertised 8-to-10 feet. Otherwise it frequently fails to recognize what it should. That's a huge fucking load of floor real estate and I could not find a single room in my house to accommodate such a space, even when moving couches and beds back (I tried the PS3 in my bedroom and the family room).

And two, we were trying to get our four year old niece to play, and she really wanted to, but it took like forty tries to get her calibrated and even when it was it registered only about half of her moves. Which is really ridiculous for a family oriented device.

This is all back to my rant back a year about the wiimote... about how even though these controllers are supposed to be about immersion, the 'merging' of controller and player, more frequently than not, these controllers DEMAND the players attention, constantly taking one out of the fun. It's an immersion-killer, really. There's so many hindrances to the proper precision and accuracy of these things that it's hard ever to get the ideal settings for everybody, and that's simply not cool. Until we get to that point, motion controllers will always play second fiddle to superior methods of control.

And a final niggle: the EyeToy's resolution is abominable and they really shouldn't have cheaped out with that shit. Shoulda upgraded for this new wave of titles.

Anyway, that's about it.

 

[Maastricht]

finally getting the hang of hustle king with move. Training with no assist would pay off, if I wasn't always so eager to shit the match on the last shot :lol

It is definitely one of hte more impressive Move patches for existing games once you get the hang of it. I don't even need the fine tune button anymore, the Move is so precise! I'm loving it.

After playing for a few hours with various members of my family, there are a few big fucking problems. One, for the EyeToy to properly recognize things, you really do need the advertised 8-to-10 feet. Otherwise it frequently fails to recognize what it should. That's a huge fucking load of floor real estate and I could not find a single room in my house to accommodate such a space, even when moving couches and beds back (I tried the PS3 in my bedroom and the family room).

And two, we were trying to get our four year old niece to play, and she really wanted to, but it took like forty tries to get her calibrated and even when it was it registered only about half of her moves. Which is really ridiculous for a family oriented device.

This is all back to my rant back a year about the wiimote... about how even though these controllers are supposed to be about immersion, the 'merging' of controller and player, more frequently than not, these controllers DEMAND the players attention, constantly taking one out of the fun. It's an immersion-killer, really. There's so many hindrances to the proper precision and accuracy of these things that it's hard ever to get the ideal settings for everybody, and that's simply not cool. Until we get to that point, motion controllers will always play second fiddle to superior methods of control.

And a final niggle: the EyeToy's resolution is abominable and they really shouldn't have cheaped out with that shit. Shoulda upgraded for this new wave of titles.

Anyway, that's about it.

I play at 1.5 meters without issue.

What games did you try? I have to admit I didn't try any sports champions yet with kids, but I know that patsu didn't have any problems with his 5 year old playing table tennis at all. Myself I've had a 2yo and 3yo and 7yo play Start-the-Party which worked wonderfully, EyePet no problems and Beat Sketchers was pretty good fun too for the 7yo.

You may just have to get used to what makes it tick - don't give up just yet, try to figure out what the game is looking for.

 

[jax (old)]

After playing for a few hours with various members of my family, there are a few big fucking problems. One, for the EyeToy to properly recognize things, you really do need the advertised 8-to-10 feet. Otherwise it frequently fails to recognize what it should. That's a huge fucking load of floor real estate and I could not find a single room in my house to accommodate such a space, even when moving couches and beds back (I tried the PS3 in my bedroom and the family room).

It works as advertised. so...

 

[Amir0x]

It works as advertised. so...

Except the technology needs to be improved without requiring such ridiculous floor space. If they advertised that you needed two football lengths before it was recognized, it would "work as advertised" and still be completely fucking bullshit.

Now, it's obviously not as bad as my little bit of hyperbole there, but it still is waaay OD.

You may just have to get used to what makes it tick - don't give up just yet, try to figure out what the game is looking for.

.

This is all back to my rant back a year about the wiimote... about how even though these controllers are supposed to be about immersion, the 'merging' of controller and player, more frequently than not, these controllers DEMAND the players attention, constantly taking one out of the fun. It's an immersion-killer, really. There's so many hindrances to the proper precision and accuracy of these things that it's hard ever to get the ideal settings for everybody, and that's simply not cool. Until we get to that point, motion controllers will always play second fiddle to superior methods of control.

Every new game is like trying to find some new ideal setting, some new bullshit with what works for every individual player. That's exactly why I hate motion gaming in the first place.

Never, ever do I have to think about a regular controller for more than two seconds.

 

[Killthee]

Was out tonight and I ended up buying a second Move controller. I don't really think I needed it right now but I'm dying to try out archery with two controllers. Eventually, when I get my new place I'll have friends over so it will come in handy.

EDIT: Holy shit? Does simply creating a UK account for HV bowling really work? It's updating to 2.00 now. Is that the one I need?

Don't think so. AFAIK, game patches are tied to the region of the game.

You're probably just downloading the Title Update which I believe came out earlier this week. You'll still need the Move unlock key for your region. If you're in N.A., you have to be a PS+ member to download it right now. Everyone else in N.A. has to wait till next month. If you're in Europe, you can download the key right now from the store.

 

[patsu]

Was out tonight and I ended up buying a second Move controller. I don't really think I needed it right now but I'm dying to try out archery with two controllers. Eventually, when I get my new place I'll have friends over so it will come in handy.

EDIT: Holy shit? Does simply creating a UK account for HV bowling really work? It's updating to 2.00 now. Is that the one I need?

You should try Gladiator with 2 Moves also.