Even as a 13 year old, this was too much bullshit for me to handle and I stopped watching the show right there and then. That Pikachu was like lvl 92323, goddammit!
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Pokémon master wannabe Ash Ketchum is a loser
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Even as a 13 year old, this was too much bullshit for me to handle and I stopped watching the show right there and then. That Pikachu was like lvl 92323, goddammit!
Yeah, if they had either adapted the manga or copied the "new protagonist for a new region" thing from it, I think it would be much better.
Really, a lot of anime/manga have a problem with keeping a single character relevant for a really long time without letting them and/or the villains get ridiculously overpowered. Two I know that break it are One Piece (just generally written well so that Luffy's silly stretching power is always his main focus), and Jojo's Bizarre Adventure (which has a new protagonist every arc anyway).
Really, a lot of anime/manga have a problem with keeping a single character relevant for a really long time without letting them and/or the villains get ridiculously overpowered. Two I know that break it are One Piece (just generally written well so that Luffy's silly stretching power is always his main focus), and Jojo's Bizarre Adventure (which has a new protagonist every arc anyway).
I didn't see your name, nor your avatar when I was reading your post. As soon as I saw this I was going to quote you and say "One Piece man! One Piece!" and then I read the last part of your post:
And it was only after that, that I payed attention to your avatar and name. LOL. Show is great when watched in chunks. I don't think there's any anime out there that I can watch only episode every week. When a new arc starts, I basically stop watching the show, wait a while and watch the accumulated eps.
zeopower6
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Actually, he's gotten better.
From each region it was something like this...
Kanto - Top 16
Johto - Top 8
Hoenn - Top 8
Sinnoh - Top 4
Unova - Top 8
Johto - Top 8
Hoenn - Top 8
Sinnoh - Top 4
Unova - Top 8
That Kanto ranking was horrible though. So disappointing... even Gary didn't fare very well that time around. We don't even know who the hell won! >_>
BishopLamont
Banned
His vagina.
The Silver
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looks he got a slight jump up and then went back to being shit
Alcotholic
Banned
Mash Blastem
Femmeworth
Banned
Can you imagine being a writer/director for the show? I bet people working on soap operas have more creative freedom.
RomanceDawn
Member
Yeah, it can't be very rewarding at all. Well aside from a guaranteed paycheck for eons to come.
FreeMufasa
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He's a loser cos he didn't fuck misty, may, dawn, his mum, professor ivy and all the other feenin' honies he came across. Brock was a simp but shit, he tried to get it in at least
Chuck Norris
Banned
To a f*cking Ash clone with another Pikachu, no less.
I cried, my kid heart was broken. It was actually cool and a good twist, but it got old each year for 12 years later.
Chuck Norris
Banned
Wait Ash Hasn't even made it to runner up? Lol!
zeopower6
Member
I don't think any of Ash's companions or rivals have gotten to runner up either in the leagues. Though that Virgil guy with the crapton of Eevees won in the Unova League.
His coordinator companions have fared better than him. May got top 4 in Kanto and Dawn was runner-up in Sinnoh.
Vermillion
Banned
That's what Charizard's for.
No, really. How many legendaries has it fought by now, anyways? An Articuno, and Entei, technically... I know there are others.
Anyways, can someone point me to which episode Charizard reappeared in in BW?
zeopower6
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It's called "The Fires of a Red Hot Reunion" or "燃えよリザードン！VSカイリュー！ Burn, Lizardon! VS Kairyu!" in Japan. Episode 116 of Best Wishes/Black and White: Adventures in Unova. It's reaaalllly good. So much nostalgia in that episode imo. Best episode in a long time.
And even though Ash pretty much sucks when it comes to league competitions, he seems to excel in just about everything else.
A list of miscellaneous competitions he's won or been runner-up in:
P1 Grand Prix (champion)
Pokémon Swap Meet Tauros Battling Competition (winner)
Bug-Catching Contest (champion)
Grass Tournament (runner-up)
Sumo Conference (champion)
Pokémon Balloon Race (champion)
Extreme Pokémon (champion)
Crossgate Town (champion)
Squallville (champion)
Rota Tournament (champion)
Terracotta Contest (unofficial) (winner - tied with May)
Pokémon Cosplay Contest (runner-up)
Hearthome City Tag Battle Competition (champion - with Paul)
Hearthome Collection (runner-up, unique award)
Pokémon Summer Academy Triathlon (Winner)
Twinleaf Festival Battle Tournament (winner)
Pokéathlon (runner-up)
Club Battle (runner-up)
Wishing Bell Festival (runner-up)
Pokémon World Tournament Junior Cup (runner-up)
Marine Cup Tournament (winner)
Pokémon Swap Meet Tauros Battling Competition (winner)
Bug-Catching Contest (champion)
Grass Tournament (runner-up)
Sumo Conference (champion)
Pokémon Balloon Race (champion)
Extreme Pokémon (champion)
Crossgate Town (champion)
Squallville (champion)
Rota Tournament (champion)
Terracotta Contest (unofficial) (winner - tied with May)
Pokémon Cosplay Contest (runner-up)
Hearthome City Tag Battle Competition (champion - with Paul)
Hearthome Collection (runner-up, unique award)
Pokémon Summer Academy Triathlon (Winner)
Twinleaf Festival Battle Tournament (winner)
Pokéathlon (runner-up)
Club Battle (runner-up)
Wishing Bell Festival (runner-up)
Pokémon World Tournament Junior Cup (runner-up)
Marine Cup Tournament (winner)
The funny thing about this is my dad told me when I was a kid (im talking like 6-8ish he's saying this type of stuff to me) that while ash was training to be the best brock was basically fucking chicks on the side and they were just putting up fronts
Vermillion
Banned
Thanks, mate!
Ghost_Protocol
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Red, on the other hand, is a complete badass. Do they ever fight him in the TV series?
I really have to wonder what people see in pokemon, especially the TV shows. When it originally came out I was either 19 or 20 and found it pathetic then. Now I'm 37 and have to watch this show (Pokemon Best Wishes season 2) on TV every week because my son likes it. Every show it's the same story. The same plot. Nothing ever changes. Even the movies are basically all the same. It's like Dragonball. Same thing over and over again.
There are just some things in this world I don't get
There are just some things in this world I don't get
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dat GODA! the man is a genius, nuff said. how the guy has kept up the quality for 16 years is a testament just to how much of a genius he really is.
onto pokemon, loved that show it used to be the shit, but man even an 8-10 year old me would get annoyed at how they would always shaft him at every league and nerf him at the beginning of every region. 12 years later they still do this shit, seriously i'm shocked that after all this time the guy has made the top 4 only once? that's crazy. literally zero progression whatsoever. either these writers are just plain bad or nintendo is forcing them not to progress the plot, probably the latter but w/e. how does this show even have an audience now if its the same thing recycled constantly?
Chuck Norris
Banned
You're an old man, you were old when it came out. Why do you expect to like it?I really have to wonder what people see in pokemon, especially the TV shows. When it originally came out I was either 19 or 20 and found it pathetic then. Now I'm 37 and have to watch this show (Pokemon Best Wishes season 2) on TV every week because my son likes it. Every show it's the same story. The same plot. Nothing ever changes. Even the movies are basically all the same. It's like Dragonball. Same thing over and over again.
There are just some things in this world I don't get
bigDdestruction
Member
It would've been nice to see the rest of the darkrai trainers pokemon. Too bad ash could only take out 2 of the 6.
Monado Blade
Member
I wish Misty was looser
zeopower6
Member
I wouldn't be surprised if he had a legendary dog, a Regi, a legendary bird, and Celebi or Jirachi. :|
He was the only trainer in all of Sinnoh to have even taken out one, and he took out two. People still say Ash is a failure.
Misty and Brock are now recurring characters. They will never be back as full cast members.
As for the romance, while there were a couple of very very small hints in the Japanese version, the rest of it is largely dub created
Progress is not determined by winning a league, and he has actually shown progress.
Since Kanto, Ash hasn't received badges out of generosity from the Gym Leaders as per Pewter Gym, Celadon Gym, Saffron Gym. Heck, Clay wanted to throw in the towel and Ash wouldn't let him. Yes, there have been some stupid moments like where Ash was convinced he'd have swept Elesa's Gym with Palpitoad, only to have to change his team half way through, but there is definite progression
Levels don't really exist in the anime so it's not that "lazy writing". Plus his loss against Trip's Snivy is fully explainable.
Pikachu had recently been hit by Zekrom's attack. This had severely weakened it and prevented it from being able to use its attacks.
To put it in game terms. Level 100 Pikachu VS Level 5 Snivy. Pikachu has 1 HP left. It uses a move, the move misses. Snivy then uses its move, it hits, Pikachu is knocked out.
It's not that farfetched. They explain it.
Besides, the show would suck if Ash was constantly winning everything
Another complaint I often see is that Ash never evolves his Pokémon, and he always releases them. He hasn't released a Pokémon since 1999 and some of the ones he "has" (Primepae, Squirtle, Charizard, Gliscor) are just in training and can come back.
Ash's Fully Evolved Pokémon
Butterfree (Caught as Caterpie - Released)
Charizard (Caught as Charmander)
Primeape (Caught as Primeape - In training)
Muk (Caught as Muk)
Kingler (Caught as Krabby)
Snorlax (Caught as Snorlax)
Pidgeot (Caught as Pidgeotto - Released)
Noctowl (Caught as Noctowl)
Beedrill (Caught as Beedrill - Instantly given away)
Glalie (Caught as Snorunt)
Swellow (Caught as Taillow)
Donphan (Caught as Phanpy)
Sceptile (Caught as Treecko)
Staraptor (Caught as Starly)
Torterra (Caught as Turtwig)
Infernape (Caught as Chimchar)
Gliscor (Caught as Gligar)
Unfezant (Caught as Pidove)
Leavanny (Caught as Sewaddle)
Krookodile (Caught as Krokorok)
Middle Evolutions
Pikachu (Caught as Pikachu)
Bayleef (Caught as Chikorita)
Quilava (Caught as Cyndaquil)
Pignite (Caught as Tepig)
Boldore (Caught as Roggenrola)
Palptitoad (Caught as Palpitoad)
Have Yet to Evolve
Bulbasaur
Squirtle
Totodile
Corphish
Buizel
Gible
Snivy
Oshawott
Scraggy
Can't Evolve
Tauros * 30
Heracross
Torkoal
Lapras - Released
He also had an Aipom which he traded to Dawn which then evolved
Poetic.Injustice
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Blue Ninja
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I thought this was gonna be a cboat thread.
They technically do. Only Ash and Team Rocket have been in all the seasons. They're largely selfcontained, too.
The Gen III series introduced May and Max
The Gen IV series introduced Dawn
The Gen V series introduced Iris & Cilan
The Gen VI series will introduce new main characters too
People complain about the show, but if it had a different character than Ash, it wouldn't be different at all. He'd get the starters, battle through the region, lose here and there, face off against antagonists. There would be fillers and everything. It'd be the same as before, simple as that.
killertofu
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tiggerkiddo
Member
You're assuming the main character would be just like Ash...there is no promise that he would be similar.
No, but to follow the entire premise of Pokémon, they'd have to be similar. They'd also have to be relateable for kids, so nice but not perfect.
It'd be cool and new at first, but then people will realise it's the same.
tiggerkiddo
Member
You can have intelligently written cartoons for children. Kids are much sharper then they let on. Kids enjoy Pokemon for various reasons...now show me that in the anime...they can take some risks.
Let this show be as good as Teen Titans...
Yes, they said that once Ash wins and his goal is completed, then it's time to end the show.
That said, the last two sagas they have been putting down groundwork for what's next after Ash wins a league. They've mentioned the Champion League several times now and you need to win a region's league in order to be eligible for entry.
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
Damn, if I could see all the champions (when Ash competed) again, I would be so hyped.