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PoliGAF 2017 |OT5| The Man In the High Chair
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balladofwindfishes
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He's a yes on moving forward if he can get a vote on a clean repeal amendment, but still a hard no for anything that isn't a clean repeal when it comes to actually voting for a bill.
In other words, even moving forward today means they still have a giant uphill battle to actually passing something
If Rand was going to fall in line, he would have done so a month ago.
He said he would vote yes on MTP if McConnell promised there would be a floor vote on repeal only. So that seems like a pretty easy yes to get right now. Always possible that Rand will then vote no when it comes time for BCRA or whatever is being put up as the final bill, but I think it's just as possible that after the floor vote for repeal-only fails, he'll just fall in with whatever everyone else is supporting because he made the try.
IggyChooChoo
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That seems likely to me. I have never felt good about counting on Rand Paul. Why wouldn't he ultimately be okay with cutting hundreds of thousands of Kentuckians off health insurance -- he's named after Ayn Rand!
Deuce Deuce
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Any chance the Senate bucks the Parliamentarian and passes their BCRA(p)?
I'm not too worried about full repeal. Seems like that'll end a lot of careers if they pull that off somehow.
I'm not too worried about full repeal. Seems like that'll end a lot of careers if they pull that off somehow.
Finale Fireworker
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I keep thinking that maybe McCain will vote No because he's dying and has nothing to lose and he hates Trump and maybe had an epiphany while he was able to use health insurance to go to the doctor he is denying millions from accessing.
Then I think: this is not a fucking fairy tale and I throw up on myself.
Then I think: this is not a fucking fairy tale and I throw up on myself.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Welllll he didn't have a vote on clean repeal a month ago. I'm not entirely sure what Rand will do after a repeal vote. I think it's a not-great sign if they move to proceed and a clean repeal bill is up before the BCRA or whatever frankenstein version they come up with.
Okay, if that's the case, I'm not gonna get too worried about today. Just a little worried.
balladofwindfishes
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They have to ignore the Parliamentarian to pass any of their options, so yes, they'll ignore her if they can manage to find the votes.
McCain could have effectively voted no by simply staying home. He's a guaranteed yes vote.
Rand wants to avoid being primaried and wants something he can point to that he voted for, but also avoid devastating his entire home state. He knows a clean repeal would never pass, but would give him the yes vote he wants to cast.
Rand Paul has been the most reliable no vote in this entire process. He was against the bill days before Collins came out against it. I know he's not exactly trustworthy but... there isn't really evidence that he'd suddenly change his mind after being a thorn in McConnell's side for the last month with how stubborn he's been
Autodidact
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Damn, I never thought I'd hope that Jeff Sessions stays strong and doesn't resign.
That didn't take long.
New Senate Campaign Ad For Mo Brooks Features Baseball Practice Shooting
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Veritigo_X
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cooljeanius
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I hope the Senate decides to let me keep my healthcare today
RumbleHumble
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So to recap RE: Jeff Sessions, Trump is pressuring him to resign rather than firing him because his lawyers likely told him that firing him outright would be obstructing justice?
Am I getting that right?
Am I getting that right?
Republicans in 2012: How DARE you politicize a tragedy like Sandy Hook to try to pass gun control legislation, shame on you!
Republicans now: Vote Republican or crazy Bernie supporters will shoot you, just like they shot that beloved Republican member of Congress!
RumbleHumble
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Today isn't make or break. They only maybe have enough votes for the MTP, let alone passing it. And a failure to make an MTP today doesn't mean they won't keep trying to get an MTP next week anyway. This is McConnell's white whale.
IggyChooChoo
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I mean, I can't argue with any of his points.Josh Barro has a weird obsession with hamburgers.
Life goes on. Turn off the internet, you observing and freaking out isn't going to change the result. Also yeah as said above this is just the "are we going to talk about this" vote. Not the final thing yet.
Finale Fireworker
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It has helped me personally to tune it all out until it's already happened. It's the fear and anticipation that kills me. I have an easier time processing it when it's already happened. Something about history, even only by 24 hours, is easier to digest.
I know how you're feeling because it's me most of the time and I'm sorry for how we both feel.
The vote is for whether they move forward with debate. And then after the debate members will have a chance to offer ammendment. The bill that's left at the end will be the final bill. That probably won't be for a couple days.
She was in a meeting last night and says she is undecided.
And they didn't say they definitely don't need Pence to break a tie, but that they may not.
I don't think it is completely impossible that only Collins votes no. And I'm not sure if even Turtle knows for sure what the votes will be.
balladofwindfishes
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Listen to some relaxing music. I usually put on some 60s and 70s music, that's usually pretty easy listening.
Autodidact
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Not quite. Trump has every right to fire Sessions or anyone in the cabinet, but he knows that firings attract bad press, especially this early in his tenure. He thus wants Sessions to resign.
The obstruction of justice comes if he fires Mueller. Firing Sessions would be the first step but wouldn't reach obstruction.
Firing him outright would give us a Saturday Night Massacre-like scenario, and someone with some intelligence advising him has likely let him know that would be a bad idea. Insulting him until he quits makes more sense, and fits Trump's cowardly personality better.
Autodidact
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Right, which is why I'm hoping that Sessions really is the stubborn, angry little racist shithead that we all think he is. Those people don't resign.
The irony here is that all this public behaviour makes little practical difference. This method looks even worse for him than outright firing.
RumbleHumble
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I know this article doesn't necessarily fall into this thread's purview, and there's already a thread in OT, but the AVClub's article on South Park's role in the creation of the alt-right and their refusal to come to terms with that role is really fascinating, especially for a long time South Park fan:
http://www.avclub.com/article/south-park-raised-generation-trolls-258253
Really relevant quote:
http://www.avclub.com/article/south-park-raised-generation-trolls-258253
Really relevant quote:
Random Human
They were trying to grab your prize. They work for the mercenary. The masked man.
Man, if Trump thinks insulting his own AG on twitter is the way to avoid bad press he's even dumber than he has been scientifically proven to be.
Those tweets are something else.
Those tweets are something else.
UberTag
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What a wacky year 2017 has been, eh?
Cesare Borgia
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I don't think firing Sessions would be akin to the Saturday Night Massacre; IMO if he jumps through the required hoops to fire Mueller, that would be more comparable. However Trump has made it very clear the only reason he wants to fire Sessions is because of the recusal. So once again it's an issue of obstruction of justice and gross stupidity.
Even Rudy 911 is on record saying he would have recused himself in the same situation. No one disagrees with Sessions' decision legally.
Even Rudy 911 is on record saying he would have recused himself in the same situation. No one disagrees with Sessions' decision legally.
Autodidact
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Sessions will cling to this position with everything he has. The deadline to file for the primary in the Alabama special election for his Senate seat has passed. He has nothing else.
Forcing him to fight with Handel for his seat next year. Fingers crossed.
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Forcing him to fight with Handel for his seat next year. Fingers crossed.
Deuce Deuce
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Alternatively, they could create an option that does pass Parliamentarian mustard. If they were going to do whatever they wanted, it seems like they could craft something better (in their minds) than the Frankenstein ACA patch they've already presented.
Random Human
They were trying to grab your prize. They work for the mercenary. The masked man.
This is good. The fact that they won't go after Trump is so cowardly.
balladofwindfishes
Member
This is impossible to craft. Any law that funds abortions isn't passing the Senate, let alone the House. And in order to pass the parliamentary, they have to fund abortions.
It's either ignore the parliamentary, or don't pass a bill.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Also like a lot of the major portions of the legislation don't pass the parliamentarian including but not limited to the 6 month lockout which makes the markets actual markets and not wishful thinking. They would have to rethink the whole thing and them taking this vote today says to me they don't want to do that.
This man is an idiot. And he'll go down in history as an idiot.
Hopefully.
Depends in who controls the history books.
RumbleHumble
Banned
They tried last season, but to truly do so, they needed to fully grasp the damage their own show intentionally or inadvertently caused to the national conversation. As a result, their take on Trump was mostly dull and shallow, focusing a great deal of the blame for the creation of Trump on PC culture. It rang hollow, and everyone knew it.
Trump is Cartman. Cartman is Trump. And to ignore how the show treats its most awful character as its most beloved is to ignore part of what made our political climate as toxic as it is today.
In reality they don't want to think about this at all, which makes it all the more galling and frightening. It really is toying with a huge portion of the American economy and people's lives just to be able to say that they kept their promise to destroy Obamacare.
This is what happens when an entire political party devotes itself for years to obstruction and destruction rather than creation - they cease to have workable ideas, and only exist to negate things.
If MTP fails and Russian sanctions pass overwhelmingly this should be a riot.
Nrocinu777
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The Senate Judiciary Committee has issued a subpoena for Paul Manafort to compel him to testify publicly before the Committee.
RumbleHumble
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benicillin
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I guess I just don't understand what Sessions would have to gain from resigning. If he wanted to do it to stop the Russia investigation, he could have just not recused himself. If he wanted to do it to protect Trump, I'd have to believe that he was loyal to Trump enough to throw himself on that sword...which I have a hard time believing is the case.
If Trump wants him gone, he's going to have to fire him.
If Trump wants him gone, he's going to have to fire him.
balladofwindfishes
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Ugh, just got an email from some liberal group in all caps "THE SENATE IS VOTING TO REPEAL HEALTHCARE TONIGHT!"
Seriously guys? No need to lie to bring panic to people, misleading them on what's happening today. Try explaining to them the actual process. It's still a big deal without lying about it :/
Also thanks ACLU, I wasn't getting this junk until I donated to you!
Seriously guys? No need to lie to bring panic to people, misleading them on what's happening today. Try explaining to them the actual process. It's still a big deal without lying about it :/
Also thanks ACLU, I wasn't getting this junk until I donated to you!
Somebody is searching furiously for his passport right now.
Joe Shlabotnik
Banned
lol, wow
American Psychoanalytic Association lifts 'Goldwater Rule' for commenting on mental health of public officials
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/psychiatry-group-members-now-free-comment-trump-mental-state
American Psychoanalytic Association lifts 'Goldwater Rule' for commenting on mental health of public officials
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/psychiatry-group-members-now-free-comment-trump-mental-state
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