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PoliGAF 2017 |OT5| The Man In the High Chair
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He could probably win his senate seat back, though I don't know if he would want it since he would likely lose his seniority. At any rate, the answer is that he would resign to stop having to work under the petulant man-child who is ridiculing him publicly on a daily basis
DrForester
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You think they're dragging McCain across the country for a procedural vote? They're going to rush through it all today.
.... hahahaha.
We still don't need arm chair psychologist trying to diagnose Trump on the news.
They can't, they have to wait 36 hours.
Except that is exactly what the senate is doing tonight.
balladofwindfishes
Member
Even if that were true (it probably isn't), that doesn't really change that the email is misleading people to panic them, since it's presenting as if it's just a matter of fact thing happening, when it's not.
McCain is coming back to work. He isn't just flying in for this one vote and flying home.
No it isn't
No they don't. That's just the max time McConnell has to pull out an actual bill.
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
RumbleHumble
Banned
There's a reason why everyone here thinks the Senate's actions today are insane. The fact that they need a brain cancer addled man on his death bed just to try to get pity votes for a simple MTP on a bill no one wants or even knows exists.
AN MTP.
GoldenEye 007
Member
During his Boy Scout speech thing. Of course he played it off like a joke, but he was probably serious.
Joe Shlabotnik
Banned
balladofwindfishes
Member
At a boy scout get together
No really
He said this to little boys.
He also talked about yacht orgies
To grade schoolers
Exactly. There's no higher plan here, they're just flying by the seat of their pants and hoping it all works out. They aren't even at a point where they could rush the bill if they even wanted to. Which quite a lot of senators don't want to do.
RustyNails
Member
They got what they wanted from Kush.
Random Human
They were trying to grab your prize. They work for the mercenary. The masked man.
Hmmmm.
Greigor The Fellhand
Member
brother told me this,
He expects Trump to fire Sessions on saturday night or sunday when the senate recess starts.
why?
He then can appoint a temporary AG who then will be able to fire rosenstein, Mueller and anyone else he wants.
a repeat of the sunday night massacre.
Then trump will dismiss the temporary AG right before the senate comes back.
so he said everyone should call their senators and congressmen, especially the DEMs and tell them not to leave D.C. so the recess won't start. meaning trump will be unable to appoint a temporary AG, instead he must nominate a AG and they go about standard procedure of hearings and senate voting them in.
He expects Trump to fire Sessions on saturday night or sunday when the senate recess starts.
why?
He then can appoint a temporary AG who then will be able to fire rosenstein, Mueller and anyone else he wants.
a repeat of the sunday night massacre.
Then trump will dismiss the temporary AG right before the senate comes back.
so he said everyone should call their senators and congressmen, especially the DEMs and tell them not to leave D.C. so the recess won't start. meaning trump will be unable to appoint a temporary AG, instead he must nominate a AG and they go about standard procedure of hearings and senate voting them in.
RumbleHumble
Banned
Plus they have to deal with the moderates, who will all refuse a full repeal with no replace and Paul, who only agreed to the MTP so long as the MTP includes a full repeal with no replace, which is the ONLY bill he intends to try passing. No matter how the math works, they don't have the votes to pass, only to maybe MTP.
Thanks for the words of encouragement, guys. I'm trying to stay sane. I can't TOTALLY tune out, so I have kind of an oddball question that I hope the answer to will make me feel better:
The question:
A lot of people have referred to this health care legislation as one of the biggest transfers of wealth from the poor to the rich in the history of the country, and I'm believe it.
But let's just say the worst version of this bill this passes, and life somehow scoots on until 2020 where, if we've somehow survived until then, there is a new Dem president and at least one chamber of Congress.
Can a hypothetical Medicare-for-All passage result in the reversal of this massive transfer of wealth?
Simple question, I guess, with some bloat before it. Just curious on your thoughts. Thanks!
The question:
A lot of people have referred to this health care legislation as one of the biggest transfers of wealth from the poor to the rich in the history of the country, and I'm believe it.
But let's just say the worst version of this bill this passes, and life somehow scoots on until 2020 where, if we've somehow survived until then, there is a new Dem president and at least one chamber of Congress.
Can a hypothetical Medicare-for-All passage result in the reversal of this massive transfer of wealth?
Simple question, I guess, with some bloat before it. Just curious on your thoughts. Thanks!
I wouldn't be surprised.
BoogieWoogie
Banned
For people worrying about Mueller being fired:
http://www.oregonlive.com/today/index.ssf/2017/07/donald_trump_might_fire_robert.html
http://www.oregonlive.com/today/index.ssf/2017/07/donald_trump_might_fire_robert.html
I don't think this can happen. Congress isn't technically in recess if at least one senator shows up everyday for like 10 minutes. It's not a super high barrier. Trump is not going to get a recess appointment.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Yep--that's why I mentioned Schneiderman earlier this morning. Didn't know he could hire Mueller, though.
balladofwindfishes
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Doing a recess appointment with a senate majority would be really strange.
Greigor The Fellhand
Member
also sounds like scaramuchie * spelling** is going around and firing Priebus loyalists, sounds like they are prepping to fire priebus.
I actually want them to fire priebus, because once preibus is out of this admin, I could see them losing most of the GoP support.
it would be, but it would absolve the GoPers, so they could all claim innocence. would also be damning
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I called brown and spoke with a staffer and asked them if they could request Brown stay in D.C. during the recess and show up to prevent something like a recess appointment
also called portmen and requested he vote against the repeal effort, and said if they wanted to do a repeal and replace, that the replacement bill must be better than the aca, not just tax cuts for the rich.
I actually want them to fire priebus, because once preibus is out of this admin, I could see them losing most of the GoP support.
it would be, but it would absolve the GoPers, so they could all claim innocence. would also be damning
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I called brown and spoke with a staffer and asked them if they could request Brown stay in D.C. during the recess and show up to prevent something like a recess appointment
also called portmen and requested he vote against the repeal effort, and said if they wanted to do a repeal and replace, that the replacement bill must be better than the aca, not just tax cuts for the rich.
Veritigo_X
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It's Schneider-Man. Respect the hyphen.
Well the logic is sound, but I truly honestly don't think Trump could concoct such a multi-step plan unless someone told it to him. Even then I don't know if he could comprehend it.
I mean Trump's idea of a plan unfolded this morning, harassing Jeff Sessions on twitter into quitting. If that was his intended end game that's as complex as it gets for him.
Random Human
They were trying to grab your prize. They work for the mercenary. The masked man.
If Mueller is fired, can Schneiderman do the exact same investigation or is he limited to only certain crimes? Because if he can investigate collusion and obstruction that's very reassuring.
Both chambers would need to be Democratic for it to have a chance. But sure. They could enact tax hikes much higher than Obamacare to fund much more generous benefits.
aspiegamer
Member
SCOTUS squashed Obama's recess appointment attempts based on arcane rules, but the rules are the rules. They'd have to apply to Trump now as well.
He can only investigate state crimes in New York.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Nope--money laundering by the family, etc. Could still bring down a lot of Trumps, but the rest would be scot-free.
Joe Shlabotnik
Banned
He would probably have wide latitude for much of it considering Trump's base of operations was and is in NYC.
Edit: oh, but no it would not extend to his acts as President.
Aaron Strife
Banned
I just really hope this effort to repeal ACA fails because I don't want us to get stuck in a loop where a Dem president will enact healthcare reform and then it gets repealed by the next president.
BoogieWoogie
Banned
But the Republicans held the House at the time so they were able to make sure that Congress never officially went into recess. Republicans have both chambers now so they can go into recess and let Trump have a recess appointment if they want.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Yet they'll still probably vote for the mtp.
If anything is going to speed up the dismissal of Sessions/Mueller, it's this.
There is nobody more spineless in Washington.
Joe Shlabotnik
Banned
If furrowed eyebrows were votes there'd be nothing to worry about.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Am I mistaken, or wouldn't this not pass reconciliation?Leigh Ann Caldwell‏Verified account @LACaldwellDC
NEWS: Vote plan as of now per 2 sources with @VaughnHillyard that ends with "skinny" repeal
I mean, anyone who says they know what will happen has no clue. I just have zero faith in these fucks to do the right thing. Pretty much only trust Collins at this point.
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
#BudLight watch.
balladofwindfishes
Member
It would increase the deficit via the tax cut, so yea, no reconciliation.
But anyway, I don't think there's enough votes to actually do a "skinny repeal" either? What member of the tea party wants that?
Also it would fund abortions, so...
ShadowSwordmaster
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Ask again in 24 hours.
Shao Kahn on the Lawn
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We really need to stop comforting ourselves with the idea that rules, procedures, traditions, or optics are going to save us. For every flagrant transgression that's floated and eventually enacted, we wrap ourselves in the hope that those things will stop it and that we've finally found the red line...only to find that the red line was written on a dry-erase board and that Republicans hold the eraser.
The GOP in Congress right now, despite the deranged psychosis of the budding autocrat on the Oval, is perfectly willing to throw everything to the wind to sate him.
The GOP in Congress right now, despite the deranged psychosis of the budding autocrat on the Oval, is perfectly willing to throw everything to the wind to sate him.
Maybe they can't do the employer mandate. But I don't see why the couldn't do everything else. The individual mandate is a tax after all. They could just reduce it to zero.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Which adds to the deficit, no?
They've got money to play with from cutting the subsidies and Medicaid. I'm sure the individual mandate didn't bring in much money anyway.
balladofwindfishes
Member
Not with this they don't. This is starting new and building a bill from amendments.
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