The PS4 Pro has been out for 3 years now. Can you get it + 3 games for $250 or less right now? How about just the base PS4 + 3 games? I don't think so.
Im in the same boat. I gotta wait for a revision. That thing is huge, and funky lookingXSX day one for all my gaming needs. But Sony's Demon Souls is way too damn tempting and I told myself to get a PS5 when they make a design revision.
Totally forgot about this reason. I don't own a VR visor for now because of downsides, but if Sony develops a good PSVR 2 on PS5 I'm buying it.
But did you embrace pc master race with at least a 2080ti?That's a benefit of being stinkin' rich.
But did you embrace pc master race with at least a 2080ti?
Those polls are meaningless, on forums like this are only core gamers and especially GAF is like 80% pro Sony.
There is no way that PS outsells XB 6:1 not even with their Pc ports, xCloud and not so beautiful Halo the whole forum keeps shitting on.
It's the same BS like dooming MS for that "pretty" Halo. Casuals didn't see the show and most casuals don't give a shit about Halo or other exclusives, but casuals are easily 80% of the console buyers.This is correct. Looking at polls on other tech sites with votes numbering in the 10s of thousands the split seems to be about 50/50. People who think that a poll on GAF is relevant need to take a basic statistics course.
These pool results really reflect the results of the Xbox show
Imagine if next month's State of Play shows Silent Hill, God of War or a new Uncharted
Going by reddit numbers, there are 303,000 subscribed to PS5 and 33,000 to XBOX series X.This is correct. Looking at polls on other tech sites with votes numbering in the 10s of thousands the split seems to be about 50/50. People who think that a poll on GAF is relevant need to take a basic statistics course.
Sounds realistic for the number of fanboys and core gamers. But casuals don't like or follow a brand an social media. They just play their BF/COD/FIFA/GTA and that's it. Or do you honestly believe it Sony will outsell Xbox 6-10:1? Microsoft made every mistake possible this gen and yet it's "only" 2:1Going by reddit numbers, there are 303,000 subscribed to PS5 and 33,000 to XBOX series X.
Which is 10:1
Nothings really changed for me. XSX and Gamepass day one. I'll pick up the PS5Pro and PSVR2 when they drop.
Who knows what the final numbers will look like, I’m just offering another metric.Sounds realistic for the number of fanboys and core gamers. But casuals don't like or follow a brand an social media. They just play their BF/COD/FIFA/GTA and that's it. Or do you honestly believe it Sony will outsell Xbox 6-10:1? Microsoft made every mistake possible this gen and yet it's "only" 2:1
Going by reddit numbers, there are 303,000 subscribed to PS5 and 33,000 to XBOX series X.
Which is 10:1
I look at it as an indicator for how many people are actively interested in said products. And these are large numbers. By not considering this, you’re not seeing the whole picture.That's not a poll and that type of comparison has zero statistical predictive value. Techspot among others have actual polls with 10s of thousands of votes which show a roughly 50/50 split.
Those polls are meaningless, on forums like this are only core gamers and especially GAF is like 80% pro Sony.
There is no way that PS outsells XB 6:1 not even with their Pc ports, xCloud and not so beautiful Halo the whole forum keeps shitting on.
Totally forgot about this reason. I don't own a VR visor for now because of downsides, but if Sony develops a good PSVR 2 on PS5 I'm buying it.
It's only meaningless if you try to extrapolate these results to some kind of general consensus or buying patterns. If you take it for what it is -- a reflection of what GAF's sentiment is, at the moment -- it is valid. The problem only comes in when people try to extrapolate these results to the broader world.
These results reflect what GAF is thinking right now -- nothing more, nothing less. Just don't go beyond that, and you're fine. That is all the poll is intended for -- to provide a window to how GAF is feeling at the moment. I know, because I'm the OP, and that was my intention.
I understand that some people who don't have education in polling or stats will try to extrapolate these results to being reflective of purchasing patterns in the general population, but that would be invalid. As I've pointed out before, there may be little or no correlation (even a negative correlation) between how GAF feels and how the average next-gen console purchaser feels. We really have no idea.
And as I've also mentioned before, GAF's feelings on this issue have shifted around considerably, based on sentiments following some reveal event, so these results may correlate poorly even with what GAF itself does, come November.
Sounds realistic for the number of fanboys and core gamers. But casuals don't like or follow a brand an social media. They just play their BF/COD/FIFA/GTA and that's it. Or do you honestly believe it Sony will outsell Xbox 6-10:1? Microsoft made every mistake possible this gen and yet it's "only" 2:1
Ok, let me fix this for you:
It's completey meaningless/uninteresting to me. It's like asking on a republican forum who they are gonna vote for.
For me it would be more interesting when normal people on the streets were asked after the price reveal, because that will be the most important factor for many casuals. I'm only interested in the big picture.
I'm just realistic. The vast majority of the console buyers are uninformed casuals who will mainly go by the launch price. Just like last gen when Sony lost 80 million PS2 customers and this gen when Microsoft lost 30 milloon 360 customers. And it's not MY system. I'm going for both as usual, but Xbox first.I wouldn't be surprised to see it rise to 3:1. Xbox has been continually screwing up throughout this gen. Slowly losing dedicated Xbox guys. And their actual game showings for Series X have been poorly received, probably losing them even more. You can say SonyGAF all you want, but the polls on here before were much closer.
And things must be pretty bad when you're relying on uninformed casuals to save your system. Oof.
Good idea. I think i'm gonna try tap dance.You mean fix it for you, not me. You're altering your own words, not mine.
If it's meaningless to you, I'd suggest you invest your energy in something you find meaningful.
I look at it as an indicator for how many people are actively interested in said products. And these are large numbers. By not considering this, you’re not seeing the whole picture.
I wouldn't be surprised to see it rise to 3:1. Xbox has been continually screwing up throughout this gen. Slowly losing dedicated Xbox guys. And their actual game showings for Series X have been poorly received, probably losing them even more. You can say SonyGAF all you want, but the polls on here before were much closer.
And things must be pretty bad when you're relying on uninformed casuals to save your system. Oof.
It's interesting how this works. I have had every videogame home console ever except for a few of the more obscure ones, and I have been recently a Nintendo/Xbox gamer. I traded in my PS4 towards a 1X (had a deal. A traded in my launch ONE and PS4 for the 1X)and haven't looked back.Been with playstation since the ps1 and never had a reason to go Xbox, this remains true today. Playstation/Nintendo is the best combo.
PS5 day 1 and have a beefy PC just waiting on the 3080ti so no need for the xsx.
Im in the same boat. I gotta wait for a revision. That thing is huge, and funky looking
You value a poll because it fit your narrative, and can’t see the forest for the trees.I didn't say I'm not considering it. What I did say is Reddit has zero statistical predictive value. You're moving the goal posts. Polling vs Reddit (or "social media presence" in general) are apples and oranges.
When considering polls with actual statistical relevance, the GAF poll has literally none. The GAF poll is well below a relevant sample size and is drawn from a heavily Sony biased source.
As I said before, there are polls available on various tech sites with literally 10s of thousands of unique votes any one of which are far more statistically relevant and carry more predictive value than some nebulous concept like "product interest due to Reddit activity". Find out the predictive sales data for products on Reddit based on sub increase/activity and get back to me. I won't hold my breathe. Now, if we could show a massive "trend" difference between PS5 and XseX across all social media and somehow tabulate that then we might be able to come up with something relevant. But even in that case, SM activity is not the same thing as polling.
*Right now* the best available polling with thousands of votes on various tech sites seems to indicate a roughly 50/50 split. I'm not saying that's how sales will actually turn out (as, in my estimation, it's highly likely at bare minimum Sony's momentum from current gen will end up with an early 60-40 lead or thereabouts). But this other polling is better guidance than a tiny GAF poll or Reddit.