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Possible Kojima Productions Reveal in Three Days?
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freethought
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SMZC said:
Despite our differences of opinion in other areas I do agree with you here. MGS3 and 4 were straightforward affairs compared to 2 and Kojima obviously got burned a little too badly by fan reaction to MGS2.
But his teasers are still usually overly cryptic and rarely reveal information without at least one red herring. The game may be straight forward but the teaser might not be.
I still think it's Big Boss and Raiden though so I guess I'm just playing devils advocate.
Orlics said:
Kojima has done this twice already.
MGS1 is pretty much a re-imagining of MG2.
MGS2 being a more obvious retreading of MGS1 as they basically spell it out or you in the game.
The reason MGS3 was so good, at least to me, is that it was an entirely different experience. Even in MGS4 you're constantly reliving shit from the past games.
radioheadrule83
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akachan ningen said:
TTS story, changes and all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MGS 2 / MGS 4
Some of the worst dialogue I've ever read and listened to, and acted out either with Saturday-morning cartoon style bombast or Dawsons Creek style melodrama (hals crying and whinging in MGS2/4 is pathetic, and where it not for the brilliance of the rest of the ending, Eva's 'emotional' monologue might have ruined the ending to MGS3 too)
Don't hold up Metal Gear like its some sort of masterpiece of storytelling. Its a brilliant world with brilliant characters, and I love the crazy mind that birthed it all, but his dialogue writing skills are about on a par with George Lucas.
WrikaWrek said:
I love all the games, my rant above aside. And I totally agree with wrikawrek here.
WrikaWrek said:
Yup
Zombie James
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YoungHav said:
Huh?
momolicious
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raiden was expected for next mgs
needlesmcgirk
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I hope its Old Snake in Nam.
proposition
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It's not that Kojima was burned by fan reaction, rather, MGS2 hinged on a specific thing - that you didn't play as Snake. That was the point of all the misdirection, to make people think they would play as Snake when they didn't.freethought said:
That hasn't been the point of any of the pre-release stuff since then because the character that appeared, aside from MGS2, has always been straight-up the character he/she appears to be.
Any supposed 'misdirection' on Kojima's behalf since then, in the majority of cases, has simply been fans reading misdirection into a fairly blatantly presented fact. Off the top of my head the only time Kojima has been actively engaged in a mind-fuck since MGS2 was the MGS4 trailer that featured the Young Snake face octocamo.
Jinfash
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proposition said:
The sound of reason. I can't believe how old those discussions feel now, I can barely remember the mess that was supposed to be MGS3's analysis.
So what you're basically saying is that the right answer is always the obvious and simple one?
Sunny disguising herself as Raiden and Johnny disguising himself as big boss CONFIRMED!!1
"God's Beard!"
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John_B said:
Whoa whoa whoa, what the fuck is this comparison to George Lucas?
Kojima writes some pretty good dialog. Lucas writes some of the worst dialog I have ever heard.
Kojima on the other hand makes his characters out of this world intentionally and they say some out of this world things.
But to say that Kojima is the George Lucas of gaming is completely retarded.
Kojima writes some pretty good dialog. Lucas writes some of the worst dialog I have ever heard.
Kojima on the other hand makes his characters out of this world intentionally and they say some out of this world things.
But to say that Kojima is the George Lucas of gaming is completely retarded.
Ok. I'm making my stance. I hate predictions... but, God, it's been fun thinking about this and theorycrafting with friends of mine. I wanna share mine, which could be wrong and I'm really ok with that.
That is a picture of Raiden. And the picture of the "old man" is Snake. Snake is the new villain in a brand new series. We simply take the reigns MID-FEUD.
So why? Well... I've always had the feeling Kojima disliked Snake since after MGS. Think about it. MGS2 he fooled us all and only had us play him 20% of the game making Raiden the main protagonist. MGS3 we DIDN'T even play as him but rather the man we ALL THOUGHT to be the series' progenitor antagonist. MGS4 he made Snake old, slow, dying and almost a joke. Do we ever truly get a triumphant moment out of "Old Snake" except for a final meeting with the man he was cloned from? If we are meant to believe that we have to go back to Zero... doesn't it make sense that Solid Snake follows the same path as his cloned "father?" That patch on his baret -- that's the ideal and belief of the system he now supports: a world where military endeavors and war can exist without boundaries. Sound familiar?
Metal Gear Raiden seems like a very logical step in a new direction. By entering the game MID-FEUD, the story-teller has many avenues to take the gamer.
Eye-color... patch... I'm not convinced these are reasons to believe that the "ninja" isn't Raiden... and that the "old man" isn't Snake. The only logical explanation for seeing those two characters (unless it's two different games -- or there is a clone -- both of which I find to be false) is looking at how they can be seen in the same period together: Snake lives, and Raiden is our new protagonist opposing him.
Besides, with Watchmen tanking... Lord knows Hayter needs the work.
That is a picture of Raiden. And the picture of the "old man" is Snake. Snake is the new villain in a brand new series. We simply take the reigns MID-FEUD.
So why? Well... I've always had the feeling Kojima disliked Snake since after MGS. Think about it. MGS2 he fooled us all and only had us play him 20% of the game making Raiden the main protagonist. MGS3 we DIDN'T even play as him but rather the man we ALL THOUGHT to be the series' progenitor antagonist. MGS4 he made Snake old, slow, dying and almost a joke. Do we ever truly get a triumphant moment out of "Old Snake" except for a final meeting with the man he was cloned from? If we are meant to believe that we have to go back to Zero... doesn't it make sense that Solid Snake follows the same path as his cloned "father?" That patch on his baret -- that's the ideal and belief of the system he now supports: a world where military endeavors and war can exist without boundaries. Sound familiar?
Metal Gear Raiden seems like a very logical step in a new direction. By entering the game MID-FEUD, the story-teller has many avenues to take the gamer.
Eye-color... patch... I'm not convinced these are reasons to believe that the "ninja" isn't Raiden... and that the "old man" isn't Snake. The only logical explanation for seeing those two characters (unless it's two different games -- or there is a clone -- both of which I find to be false) is looking at how they can be seen in the same period together: Snake lives, and Raiden is our new protagonist opposing him.
Besides, with Watchmen tanking... Lord knows Hayter needs the work.
Valkyr Junkie
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neojubei said:
No doubt, but there's a snowball's chance in Hell of that being the case.
bloodforge
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I'm kinda hoping this is a PSP game.
I really do wish they would just drop this story and characters and start fresh though.
I really do wish they would just drop this story and characters and start fresh though.
SolidSnakex
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Kingsora said:
Why would it be a card game when Ac!d didn't sell well? As far as it being targeted for Japan, as I said earlier that's odd for him to say since the series has largely been geared toward the West.
Regulus Tera
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Bit-Bit said:
Raiden: "It even rained the day I was born."
Snake: "You were the lightning in that storm."
jett said:
I actually agree with you. But I've always felt that MGS4 was more of a story about the death of Big Boss (surprisingly)... and not Snake. I just can't logically see Raiden and Big Boss together... but I can Solid and Raiden.
I was really hoping for something entirely fresh... but... doesn't look like it
Mr.Squirrel
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Regulus Tera said:
FUCKING EPIC!!!!!!!!!
jett said:
I've never quoted an avatar b4, but it seems fitting
(neutral) jett
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If you hate it so much, might as well skip the game and the accompanying threads.jett said:
This thread is almost fifty pages after a few numbers on a rainy screen and a pic of (maybe) Big Boss. Obviously a ton of people still want what Kojima's selling, myself included. If it's really so shitty, abandon ship already. I don't understand the need to write post after post after post of why MGS4 is so terrible and why Kojima sucks so hard. Just get over it, there are better things you could be doing.
As lame as it would be if that is Snake ("Hey, will you look at that. I'm cured!"), I think it would be pretty damn cool if he turned out to be the main antagonist. I don't think it's him though.
And it had better not be another clone. Solidus was okay since it made sense to have one dominant, one recessive, and one middle of the road clone. The only way a fourth would make sense is if this one was the very first clone they made and he was a total failure or something, so we never knew about him.
And it had better not be another clone. Solidus was okay since it made sense to have one dominant, one recessive, and one middle of the road clone. The only way a fourth would make sense is if this one was the very first clone they made and he was a total failure or something, so we never knew about him.
bdizzle said:FUCKING EPIC!!!!!!!!!
I've never quoted an avatar b4, but it seems fitting
(neutral) jett
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Raiden: "It was never going to work out for me. It even rained the day I was born."
Solid Snake: "You've got it all wrong. You were the lightning in that rain. You can still shine through the darkness."
If you think that's good...then holy shit.
Is Snake incapable of having kids? As in the natural way? I can't imagine Snake dying a virgin, and Akiba always struck me as way too similar to Snake without being exactly like him. In MGS4, he's young and seemingly inexperienced, yet a decent shot. I wouldn't be surprised if Snake actually had a son at some point, not knowing about it.
Chemo said:
Hey, as much as MGS4 felt like a slap to the face for me, I still love the series. So yeah I'm heavily interested in the next Metal Gear game. And I do believe that what it needs is a new beginning with a fresh director in front. My only hope is that this game has as little to do with #4 as possible.
Oh and this is kinda funny coming from someone that just went into a Castlevania thread only to declare that the whole franchise should die.
btw luv u guyz :lol
Valkyr Junkie
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StarEye said:
You don't have to be able to reproduce to get your dick wet.
EmCeeGramr
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StarEye said:
Uh, he's a ten-year vet.
Akiba is Johnny Sasaki from MGS1 and MGS2.
jett said:
Nanomachines it is then...
Valkyr Junkie said:
Well, duh!
EmCeeGramr said:
I know who he is. "Seemingly inexperienced" probably wasn't the correct phrase, but he did look and act like an amateur (just like in MGS1). Being a vet doesn't mean being particularly good. Too many "rookie" mistakes, see.