Possible PS5 leak info

I'm hoping Sony is done making ugly consoles.

They've made more than enough of them and given their pedigree in hardware design it's kinda disappointing.
As a whole I find consoles ugly as hell.

I don't know why they can't just make a normal sleek looking piece of electronics that blends in with a receiver or any other black box in someone's TV stand.

Sega Genesis looked pretty good. Saturn not bad either (but a little big). Xbox X is nice. To me, 3DO even looked pretty good too. All these white systems, Nintendo purple cubes, PS razor blades, just all wacky stuff.
 
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To be honest you're acting a little childish lol the specs in OP isn't the actual specs but they are close to what we will be getting in a $399 - $499 console in 2019
Thats just it though, the specs scream of cut corners to maximize profits and rush to market, like a console designed by bean counters
6 cores instead of 8 is a cheap omission
12tf or even 13tf should be doable at 7nm, it wouldn't be much bigger chip than the pro or x
None of this would break the bank, the one thing where the gap is huge though is ram, its crucial for a next gen leap but expensive af, don't know what they gonna do about it, just hope its at least 24gb
 
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I've seen this video way before it was posted here, Madz stuff comes through my recommendations, he and a few others like Foxy UK, have been going about the leak/rumormil machine for a slight minute, but I don't think we will ever get a leak of the PS5 in this fashion, it's too detailed, it's too clean.....It's a spec list which makes sense to put together based on what we know about AMD's roadmap so far, but it's way too conservative.....

The big Sony logo on the mockup, looks a bit suspect, I was laughing too, because it reminds me of old Sony audio decks and receivers from the 90's....The system also looks like the non-slim PS4 too, just with a few modifications. Like the PS2 throwback at the bottom and what with some of the HDMi ports at the front......

Spec-wise, 16Gb is not enough, TF count is not enough, CPU is not enough.......There's no way a next gen Sony system only has 4 more gigs than an XBONEX...A PS5 won't have a 6 core 12 thread CPU, at minimum it will have a 8 core 16 thread CPU or 16 full cores without HT.....With Rome supporting 8 cores per Chiplet, there's no way PS5 only has a 1600x caliber CPU, especially at 7nm......16Gb of RAM is not enough, 2Gb for the OS, in what world? If anything, I forsee 24-32Gb or ram and perhaps a seperate pool of 4-8Gb of LDDR5 for the OS..... GPU will be in the 18-24TF range or even more if we get a non-monolythic GPU setup, or with an Infinity Fabric GPU setup....

The rest are cool guesses, like Wireless AX, BC etc... They're safe guesses.....The VR stuff, I think the spec will be higher than (1440p 120Hz per eye), of course the wireless VR BOX for PSVR2 is what everybody wants and I'm sure they will be working on that, but I don't think such a technology will be as cheap/affordable in 2020 or even 2022......I can see 4k 120fps per eye with wires in late 2021 or 2022 though.......and I definitely believe 8k will be a thing for indies and AA games, even some more ambitious games....4k 120hz games will also be a thing...

I think people will see how conservative they've been about PS5 specs when AMD speaks of Vega 7nm/Navi/Ryzen 2 at CES.......Seeing that there will still be another CES before PS5 arrives, perhaps announcing Zen 3 with 7nm++ and even more powerful or matured GPU's......My guess is monolythic GPU's at CES 2019 and Multi GPU's at CES 2020....
 
The writing tells me it is fake, some of the terminology comes off as if I was talking to a guy working at a game store and not anybody in marketing or engineering.
Comparing this to any official Sony documents I would imagine might show the inconsistency of the wording/phrasings used on this piece vs something from official channels.
 
I know zen core is much better, still 6 cores is cheap af considering a zen core on 7nm would be roughly equivalent to jaguar in size
I know the GPU architecture will be better and more efficient but again cheap, on 7nm the chip will be more conservative than the pro or x

14GB ram is pathetic all around there no way to sugar coat this one
No its not, you are delusional thinking it needed 24GB(or was it 32).
 
No its not, you are delusional thinking it needed 24GB(or was it 32).
How its delusional expecting 2x the memory from xbox in 2020? its the bare minimum, i will be surprised if it doesn't reach it
4K alone will eat a big chunk of it, we are talking about next gen games running at 4k not upress current gen games
 
How its delusional expecting 2x the memory from xbox in 2020? its the bare minimum, i will be surprised if it doesn't reach it
4K alone will eat a big chunk of it, we are talking about next gen games running at 4k not upress current gen games
A lot of people are criticising the reported RAM specs, but isn't it the case that RAM hasn't been much of a bottleneck this gen (especially compared to last gen)? Doing a google search, most people seem to think 16GB is fine for 4K gaming on PC, so it should be enough for the PS5. You could argue that that isn't future proofed, but consoles have been behind the latest PC tech for at least a couple of generations now, so that shouldn't be all that surprising. To the best of my knowledge, the biggest bottleneck this gen has been the sub-par Jaguar processors, so that's where the big improvements will come.

Also, pricing is an obvious issue. As others have already pointed out, I can't see Sony making the $599 mistake again, although $499 is possible (inflation, the economy being in a much better state than when the PS4/Xbox One launched, and the One X having a relatively successful launch at $499 are all factors here).
 
Can somebody inform me on the GPU architecture potential for 7nm Vega/Navi? I remember having a ~$300 R9 390 8GB in late 2015 and AMD was hyping Polaris 10. I sold my 390 and covered the cost of a RX 480 8GB right before it's launch, which came out to about $269. Both cards were Powercolor brand, and while the RX 480 used much less power(probably half when both were overclocked), it seems the RX 480 was a little weaker and about the same price. My question is then is it possible that the new process node will be like what I mentioned and give the same performance and price with half the power consumption?

I guess my thoughts were that a $399 2019 console would be something like a 140W Vega 56 7nm equivalent with lower core clock like the PS4 Pro/Xbox One X, so maybe 30-40% less powerful than the OC'd PC equivalent. I feel like Sony has no reason to push for $499.
 
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Can somebody inform me on the GPU architecture potential for 7nm Vega/Navi? I remember having a ~$300 R9 390 8GB in late 2015 and AMD was hyping Polaris 10. I sold my 390 and covered the cost of a RX 480 8GB right before it's launch, which came out to about $269. Both cards were Powercolor brand, and while the RX 480 used much less power(probably half when both were overclocked), it seems the RX 480 was a little weaker and about the same price. My question is then is it possible that the new process node will be like what I mentioned and give the same performance and price with half the power consumption?

I guess my thoughts were that a $399 2019 console would be something like a 140W Vega 56 7nm equivalent with lower core clock like the PS4 Pro/Xbox One X, so maybe 30-40% less powerful than the OC'd PC equivalent. I feel like Sony has no reason to push for $499.
We don't know. AMD has a keynote planned to go over that tech at CES next year. (January)
 
Thats just it though, the specs scream of cut corners to maximize profits and rush to market, like a console designed by bean counters
6 cores instead of 8 is a cheap omission
12tf or even 13tf should be doable at 7nm, it wouldn't be much bigger chip than the pro or x
None of this would break the bank, the one thing where the gap is huge though is ram, its crucial for a next gen leap but expensive af, don't know what they gonna do about it, just hope its at least 24gb
You're still caught up on numbers when most likely they are going to make a smarter design that will do more than what the flop count show , I expect 10 - 12TF with bespoke hardware .
 
I’m just waiting on one thing to leak as to not completely burn my source.

Backwards compatibility and uhd blu Ray are givens and not worth posting as those are easy guesses.

The numbers are current clock speeds.
So last week you were waiting for a mod to approve before you posted everything you had now you’re waiting on other things to break before you post your stuff?

Ok then.
 
You don't need 24GB for 4k. Nvidia GPUs are only 11GB.
You can't forget about system ram 8GB DRR3-4 of sys ram + 8GB GDDR5x-6 gfx ram = 16 GB total needed for current games on PC at 4K. Obviously console OS is much lighter than windows, but next gen consoles will surely have no less than 16GB of shared memory. Higher textures is a given next gen so ram req will only increase.
 
I just PMd swizzle after he lets you all know when I gave him the information I’ll open the floodgates. That should help negate these types of posts.
Don't feel pressured into giving information. It's just impatience that is eating at some folks. Protect your sources first and foremost if there is any information that can be traced back to them.
 
I’m just waiting on one thing to leak as to not completely burn my source.

Backwards compatibility and uhd blu Ray are givens and not worth posting as those are easy guesses.

The numbers are current clock speeds.

So the GPU is going to be 2.1Ghz? That would mean that it's only 42 CUs at 7nm that would leave a lot of room for extra hardware , also if the CPU is 3.2Ghz with 6 or more cores PS3 emulation should be back on the table.
 
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Mixing the info from OB & the leak plus the AMD patent I come to the conclusion that PS5 GPU is 42 CUs + the small CUs for raytracing

2688 SPs from the normal CUs that give you 11.28TF & the other 952 SPs come from the small CUs that will be specialized for raytracing & so on
 
I've seen this video way before it was posted here, Madz stuff comes through my recommendations, he and a few others like Foxy UK, have been going about the leak/rumormil machine for a slight minute, but I don't think we will ever get a leak of the PS5 in this fashion, it's too detailed, it's too clean.....It's a spec list which makes sense to put together based on what we know about AMD's roadmap so far, but it's way too conservative.....

The big Sony logo on the mockup, looks a bit suspect, I was laughing too, because it reminds me of old Sony audio decks and receivers from the 90's....The system also looks like the non-slim PS4 too, just with a few modifications. Like the PS2 throwback at the bottom and what with some of the HDMi ports at the front......

Spec-wise, 16Gb is not enough, TF count is not enough, CPU is not enough.......There's no way a next gen Sony system only has 4 more gigs than an XBONEX...A PS5 won't have a 6 core 12 thread CPU, at minimum it will have a 8 core 16 thread CPU or 16 full cores without HT.....With Rome supporting 8 cores per Chiplet, there's no way PS5 only has a 1600x caliber CPU, especially at 7nm......16Gb of RAM is not enough, 2Gb for the OS, in what world? If anything, I forsee 24-32Gb or ram and perhaps a seperate pool of 4-8Gb of LDDR5 for the OS..... GPU will be in the 18-24TF range or even more if we get a non-monolythic GPU setup, or with an Infinity Fabric GPU setup....

The rest are cool guesses, like Wireless AX, BC etc... They're safe guesses.....The VR stuff, I think the spec will be higher than (1440p 120Hz per eye), of course the wireless VR BOX for PSVR2 is what everybody wants and I'm sure they will be working on that, but I don't think such a technology will be as cheap/affordable in 2020 or even 2022......I can see 4k 120fps per eye with wires in late 2021 or 2022 though.......and I definitely believe 8k will be a thing for indies and AA games, even some more ambitious games....4k 120hz games will also be a thing...

I think people will see how conservative they've been about PS5 specs when AMD speaks of Vega 7nm/Navi/Ryzen 2 at CES.......Seeing that there will still be another CES before PS5 arrives, perhaps announcing Zen 3 with 7nm++ and even more powerful or matured GPU's......My guess is monolythic GPU's at CES 2019 and Multi GPU's at CES 2020....

This should be obvious.

Look at modern SFF pc cars.

It's too plug a Vr headset into without having to have an extra box or needing to pull anything out to plug it in the back.
 
You're still caught up on numbers when most likely they are going to make a smarter design that will do more than what the flop count show , I expect 10 - 12TF with bespoke hardware .
Lets be honest here, going 6 core instead of 8 is smart design for the bean counters cutting corners where they can to make the extra penny
I don't care about the final tf count as long as as the gpu/apu chip isnt smaller than the pro/x, at 11tf on 7nm they are definitely small specially considering new architecture efficiency
You don't need 24GB for 4k. Nvidia GPUs are only 11GB.
uh? where have i heard this before? oh right last gen, you don't need 8gb of ram, Nvidia gpus are only 2gb!

Nvidia gpus are running games designed for current gen at 4k not next gen, games also run of secondary memory pool
 
During the PS4 Pro "leak" made by OsirisBlack, everything else except a new God of War game coming out was basically false. The teraflops numbers were wrong, no 4K Blu-Ray, and all in all the info was very vague. What makes people rely on his leaks this time?
True, though they might have been real at the time. Specs, designs, hardware/software change all the time. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt on the pro since it was practically the first word out about it iirc(correct me if I’m wrong) but everyone knows PS5 is coming. I just hope they don’t try something like the PS3’s cell processor. PS4 BC is a given, so should Blu-ray UHD. Curious about PS1-PS3, I’m hoping they at least enable BC for PS1/PS2 if the user has the physical disc(There’s PSNow otherwise) PS3 might be a pipe dream still.
 
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True, though they might have been real at the time. Specs, designs, hardware/software change all the time. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt on the pro since it was practically the first word out about it iirc(correct me if I’m wrong) but everyone knows PS5 is coming. I just hope they don’t try something like the PS3’s cell processor. PS4 BC is a given, so should Blu-ray UHD. Curious about PS1-PS3, I’m hoping they at least enable BC for PS1/PS2 if the user has the physical disc(There’s PSNow otherwise) PS3 might be a pipe dream still.
Looks like there were rumours of PS4 Pro existing a couple weeks before already: https://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/sony-s-rumored-ps4-5-to-power-stronger-4k-vr-gaming-1317304

That piece of news is from 18th of March 2016. OsirisBlack leak thread was created on 30th. There was probably already discussion going on these very forums already on it before 18th of March as well.
 
Looks like there were rumours of PS4 Pro existing a couple weeks before already: https://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/sony-s-rumored-ps4-5-to-power-stronger-4k-vr-gaming-1317304

That piece of news is from 18th of March 2016. OsirisBlack leak thread was created on 30th. There was probably already discussion going on these very forums already on it before 18th of March as well.
Ah thanks, I stand corrected,Not too far apart and nothing on the perceived specs though, other than 4K gaming which was half true. I agree though I would take this with a grain of salt, and it’s not because I don’t believe him but designs, internal specs change quite a bit.
 
When checking the slides I didn't know this guy have correctly predicted PS4 Pro, I didn't see any red flags, specs where where I'd expect them to be (bar cores going down to 6 from 8).
Things such as wireless module for VR are... a bit too creative for a fake, in my humble opinion.

It does look legit and I also have no problems with the design.

As for VR, I'd be interested in using it as a portable TV.

Those specs in late 2019 are $499 or $599. But in no way $399
But i do believe Sony isn't stupid to launch at $599 again.
AMD demoed 331mm2 chip (7nm) that takes on 815mm2 GV100 (12nm) chip by nvidia two days ago.

With all that beef being on 7nm, I don't see any red flags.

With Rome supporting 8 cores per Chiplet, there's no way PS5 only has a 1600x caliber CPU,
There will be plenty of chiplets with faulty cores. Going with 6 makes it much cheaper.
 
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When checking the slides I didn't know this guy have correctly predicted PS4 Pro, I didn't see any red flags, specs where where I'd expect them to be (bar cores going down to 6 from 8).
Things such as wireless module for VR are... a bit too creative for a fake, in my humble opinion.

It does look legit and I also have no problems with the design.

As for VR, I'd be interested in using it as a portable TV.


AMD demoed 331mm2 chip (7nm) that takes on 815mm2 GV100 (12nm) chip by nvidia two days ago.

With all that beef being on 7nm, I don't see any red flags.


There will be plenty of chiplets with faulty cores. Going with 6 makes it much cheaper.
Xbox One X is 359mm² in a very mature 16nm process
was $499 at launch.

>300mm² in 7nm at the end of 2019 will cost $499 at least.
Epic 2 dies are 78mm² for comparison

That GPU in 331mm² will sell for $1000
 
Epic 2 dies are 78mm² for comparison
That's quite misleading a statement. 2700x is 213mm².

That GPU in 331mm² will sell for $1000
That's a prosumer card with other bells and whistles (and we are very early into 7nm).
AMD sells 475mm² Vega 64 GPUs for 499 (and they use HBM2/interposer which adds quite a bit to the cost)

We are talking about doubling GPU power of PS4, hardly anything unrealistic to expect from PS5.
 
That's quite misleading a statement. 2700x is 213mm².


That's a prosumer card with other bells and whistles (and we are very early into 7nm).
AMD sells 475mm² Vega 64 GPUs for 499 (and they use HBM2/interposer which adds quite a bit to the cost)

We are talking about doubling GPU power of PS4, hardly anything unrealistic to expect from PS5.
2700x is not Epic 2
That is Ryzen 2 with Zen+ Cores in 14nm

I'm Talking about Epic 2


Those chips are 74mm²
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/9uscqu/_/e97w08e
The Vega 64GPUs for $500 are still 14nm and not a very new and way more expensive 7nm process.
ALso the SOC is not the only cost for a console...
 
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Panajev2001a

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2700x is not Epic 2
That is Ryzen 2 with Zen+ Cores in 14nm

I'm Talking about Epic 2


Those chips are 74mm²
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/9uscqu/_/e97w08e
The Vega 64GPUs for $500 are still 14nm and not a very new and way more expensive 7nm process.
ALso the SOC is not the only cost for a console...
Depending on yields and how production goes, the investment TSMC made for 7nm manufacturing lines is less and less a concern for AMD and especially MS and Sony and the high volumes they will book in (not to mention Apple which will probably get 210-250 million 7nm chips mass produced by TSMC in the current FY). Depending on the chip they manufacture, the size, built-in redundancy, and the frequency targets they have the chip cost may vary wildly, but by early 2019 the 7nm issue will be just getting volume not dedicated to Apple :D... chips themselves may drop in price as you should be able to have more working samples per same silicon wafer and get closer to your performance metrics per chip.

Still, no way MS or Sony go for anything like EPYC 2, the big big bulk of the SoC will be GPU logic. I suspect they will not dedicate more percentage of the die area to the CPU side beyond what they did for the current consoles, maybe even a tiny bit less as that should be enough to fit the amount of Ryzen 2 cores they plan to use and give them adequate resources and I/O channels.
 
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