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Yea ok Ross.
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Pro CS:GO Player Banned for VAC at 15 Years old
- Thread starter CraigerGamer
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Yea ok Ross.
Atomic Playboy
Member
The problem is that it's selectively applied. Someone earlier mentioned S1mple. He was banned for cheating in one league, but because it wasn't a VAC ban, he was allowed to participate in other leagues (his cheating ban was also only a couple years, not permanent). Another player brought up k0nfig. Both of those players currently play for top teams in the international CS:GO pro scene. So I guess as long as it's the right kind of cheating, it's OK. But the kid who wasn't a pro cheating in a pub? Fuck him forever.
Funny that you bring up stealing a purse. We had a thread in GAF where many people were arguing in favor of speeding over a thief with an SUV in a parking lot. I didn't think that was a punishment that fits the crime. But I do think that ban for cheating fits. And having a rule that forbids cheaters in professional enviroment is also reasonable. But as I said, cleaning the record after some time is also very reasonable. People get their credit rating back too! Or atleast where I live they do, record will be cleaned after some time.
i am not living in uk or us so forgive my ignorance in advance, but i think it falls under something called "statue of limitations" aka charges being dropped since too much time passed since the initial crime
yes he cheated, okay. that happened 3 years ago in non competitive environment. this event is completely irrelevant to current situation
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
Cynn
Member
Its mostly kids who cheat though. Life lessons come in many forms.
LordRaptor
Member
Well, its because VAC bans are the only real eSports equivalent to a central agency.
I suspect most people - audience and honest participants alike - would be in favour of more consistency on cheating, but I don't expect ESL to give away their anti-cheat clients to competitor tournaments.
I don't think its completely irrelevant, and without any guidelines on how long a ban 'should' exist for, its difficult to say its even outside of statute of limitations.
current punishment, like was said before, doesnt fit the crime.
its like making a lifetime record in your dossier and passport "KNOWN THIEF" for stealing a bar of chocolate when you were a 10 year old kid. completely absurd.
should've known better not to steal! - according to neogaf. that will teach him a lesson!
prag16
Banned
That, while technically accurate, is a reductive and somewhat misleading characterization of this specific situation.
He got VAC banned for cheating on a smurf account. Like he clearly understood "shit, I shouldn't cheat. It might have consequences. Nah I'll just use smurf account for that!"
I'd argue that a 5 year ban is about the maximum punishment any cheater deserves in any game. If someone wants to come back after that kind of time, and the game still has community worth coming back to, chances are you might as well give that someone their second chance.
(I understand how idealistic and naïve that is in a world where you can often just buy another game/account after getting banned though...)
In this particular case? Kid got banned 3 years ago, he's not getting my sympathy just yet.
(I understand how idealistic and naïve that is in a world where you can often just buy another game/account after getting banned though...)
In this particular case? Kid got banned 3 years ago, he's not getting my sympathy just yet.
Must have missed the part where this is some hugely complex and intricate situation and not just. Tournament has rules about not being allowed to play if person is vac banned, one player was found to be vac banned and subsequently not allowed to participate.
I mean I understand that, but it has nothing to do with whatever tournaments he's in and playing legitimately. If he was caught cheating within the tournament then yeah, flush that guy, but just playing casually online? Who cares.
wesleyshark
Banned
Lifetime ban for cheating is reasonable. Don't like it? Don't cheat.
prag16
Banned
I'm not disputing what the rules are. I'm asserting that this rule is bullshit, as applied to this situation.
You sound like the people in piracy threads who interject into philosophical discussions on the morality or effects of it, with, "WELL, IT'S ILLEGAL, END OF STORY".
CaviarMeths
Member
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Kids are not as stupid and incompetent as you think. Kids learn this shit by kindergarten. There are cartoons aimed at pre-school aged children teaching them that lying, cheating, etc is wrong.
15 year olds are scout leaders, camp counselors, lifeguards, and learner drivers. They understand concepts as elementary as "play fair."
CraigerGamer
Member
They know cheating is wrong. But the impact it could have on their life, no, I don't think most 15 year olds quite understand what those consequences entail.
wesleyshark
Banned
Gotta learn somehow. Some lessons are harder learned than others.
Easy. 15 is a time of Immaturity that you can't be sure they fully understand the ramifications of cheating. 15 is also old enough to play games with a Mature rating.
/s cause some people can't tell
Barrel Cannon
Member
Its the only way to go about it IMO. Only way he could have got the game was either having parental permission or being the age of 18+. It's expected from Adults that they shouldn't cheat in games and at the end of the day it's a good lesson for kids too. It's just a game so the repercussions aren't as severe. If you plan to make a job out of something like that it's not worth the risk trying to cheat anyways.
And everyone who has ever made a mistake is a horrible person who deserves the worst. Why can't they be more like the people who are so perfect they're able to rightously condemn someone they don't know, based on a couple paragraphs they read?
Banning someone from a specific league because they have cheated isn't some huge moral quandary.
And it seems like the effects are good since it will act as a deterrent.
CaviarMeths
Member
Nah, they understand. In 4th grade, we had a guest speaker come into the class and give a speech about his life as a smoker. The damage to his body, what it feels like to be addicted, the monetary cost, all that good stuff. I'm still not a smoker, because at 8/9 years old, I was old enough to understand that some bad decisions can last forever.
Kids are impulsive and often make mistakes, but they do understand.
Perfect
People who play casually online against cheaters care. If person thinks that cheating is okay in video games, I don't think it's unreasonable to think that they might have done this more than once. And who is to say that he hasn't cheated in competitive matches too, yeah probably not at LAN event ofcourse. People can get banned from tournaments for just lan dodging too, even without any proof of cheating anywhere.
Yea...this is completely ridiculous. Professional athletes who abuse performance-enhancing substances get suspended for a year or two, sometimes longer. They only ever receive a permanent ban after several infractions. He should be suspended from the pro-circuit for a year or a season.
Seems weird to take one instance year ago and just assume since he is capable of cheating, he must have, so the ban is justified. The ban is punishing who he was years ago.
DarkestHour
Banned
I'm all about punishing people for actions but anything beyond even a year is ridiculous.
Cynn
Member
Yeah its absolutely nothing like that. This isnt some mark that follows him everywhere through life. It was a Valve punishement and that stops him from playing Valve games. Lifetime bans dont usually come from one time mistakes. Perhaps Valve should do five year bans instead of lifetime ones to allow people time to grow up?
VAC games are per game. (HL1 and HL2 era games are grouped by engine). CS:GO is separate.
Game bans are bans by other cheat engines than VAC or by humans (eg. Overwatch). Can be permanent or temporary.
The ban is justified because he did cheat. I agree that it should be forgiven if he supposedly has stopped doing that. But 3 years isn't really that long of a time yet. And different leagues/tournaments can have their own rules. ESL has this at 2 years, so the dude can compete there already. I find that to be too low myself, would settle with 5 at minimun.
If you're banned by TOS or code of conduct and have no recourse then yeah you have to do something else. Maybe don't cheat if your career trajectory was to make money going pro playing a game?
JHoNNy1OoO
Member
Zero sympathy for cheaters in multiplayer games. They all know what they're doing. Seeking an unfair advantage over others playing fairly.
Imbarkus
As Sartre noted in his contemplation on Hell in No Exit, the true horror is other members.
Yeah but if you wanna buy like a coupla hundred bux worth of loot box in BFII for an unfair advantage, welcome to the VIP program, valued customer!
Uh, every other player in the map?
Like, you've never had your free time wasted cause some loser decides to cheat?
BlitzBlake
Member
Hard stuff for someone who knows how to use the internet.
Can you crop it? I'm on mobile and it's a bit hard to read.
Could just put those three words in the op.