stuburns said:In the seventies Eloise is the leader, Rich said it in the finale. Presumably she leaves the island to have Faraday, Charles becomes the leader till in the nineties when Ben takes over.
In the seventies though, Richard did say to Charles that Jacob said to save Ben.
stuburns said:I actually think Facob might be the good guy.
Jacob wanted them to kill the DI and move into the barracks, and UnLocke said it was something he didn't think the island would want. Now knowing he was Facob at the time seems to imply Facob didn't support the murdering of the DI.
If Jacob wants people to be randomly slaughtered, and Facob doesn't, I don't think the good/evil thing is going to be so clear cut.
It's not expressly said. But Jacob is in charge of the Others, and they move there. Seems like he wanted it.Tim-E said:When was it said that Jacob authorized the purge?
stuburns said:In the seventies Eloise is the leader, Rich said it in the finale. Presumably she leaves the island to have Faraday, Charles becomes the leader till in the nineties when Ben takes over.
In the seventies though, Richard did say to Charles that Jacob said to save Ben.
stuburns said:It's not expressly said. But Jacob is in charge of the Others, and they move there. Seems like he wanted it.
This could be true, but if Eloise was the leader she could ask Jacob and if she found out Rich lied that could lead to trouble. Richard even said he doesn't answer to either of them.Lonestar said:Ah, but the thing is, did he have enough time to converse with Jacob about it. Jacob didn't mention anything about a boy coming in injured, he just showed up because of Kate and Sawyer. It's very possible he never talked to Jacob about it, and just said something to ease the mind of Widmore. But then, who knows. This is just off of observation.
Quite possibly Richard wasn't in contact with Jacob, but Charles should have been at that time.Tim-E said:Maybe this was during the time we referenced to earlier where Richard may have had no contact with Jacob? Given Jacob's attitude, I can't imagine him authorizing the murder of a shitload of people.
Maybe they were born on the island. Ben lied to the Others claiming to have been born on the island. Maybe the reason for this is only natives are meant to lead the Others.Lonestar said:Ah, but if Ben's been the leader, and possibly since...1992?? That would be 12 years or so, right? And he's never seen Jacob? Told to be patient? What would be the difference between him and Ellie? Or Widmore? Were they told to be patient as well??? Did they ever really see him either?
SpeedingUptoStop said:Jack's acting during this dural Sack scene completely sells himself as an actor and invests the audience in his story. Just perfect.
SpeedingUptoStop said:Charlies gets the first two fade-to-commercial enders. COINCIDENCE??!?!?!
SpeedingUptoStop said:Locke's face after Kate disapproves after his orange smile.:lol :lol
JayDubya said:Well, if I had known what I was getting into when I had started Wheel of Time, I would have been intimidated! :lol
I also had a lot more free time back then.
TheExodu5 said:One thing in particular strikes me: everyone he visited was in the 1970's.
Tim-E said:Not true. He visited Hurley in 2007 and Locke around 2000.
I don't think he's traveling through time either, though.
TheExodu5 said:All in all, he doesn't seem very different from Richard to me.
BenjaminBirdie said:No, was IN the 1970's in New Otherton.
I don't think Jacob is anything like Richard. Richard said Jacob made him non-aging. There's nothing to suggest Richard has any special powers beyond his aging.SephCast said:We all assume Richard is just a normal human being who can't age. He's still scared of stuff and probably can be hurt.
If Jacob is the same as Richard, which is a normal, ageless, human being, then why would he let himself get stabbed by Ben? Why would he be so calm while dying?
SephCast said:We all assume Richard is just a normal human being who can't age. He's still scared of stuff and probably can be hurt.
If Jacob is the same as Richard, which is a normal, ageless, human being, then why would he let himself get stabbed by Ben? Why would he be so calm while dying?
stuburns said:I don't think Jacob is anything like Richard. Richard said Jacob made him non-aging. There's nothing to suggest Richard has any special powers beyond his aging.
I think Richard is going to be someone from the Black Rock that 'proves' Facob wrong.TheExodu5 said:Maybe Richard is Jacob's son as well!
I'm really pushing it now...but maybe Ben is ageless as well. :lol
Regardless, I still think Ben is Jacob's son.
Did Jacob touch Sun? Because this voids that whole theory in that case.BenjaminBirdie said:No, was IN the 1970's in New Otherton.
He touched them both at the wedding, I think so at least. Seem to remember him pushing their shoulders so they stood closer together.SpeedingUptoStop said:Did Jacob touch Sun? Because this voids that whole theory in that case.
SpeedingUptoStop said:Showing the body upon them reflected in the water is one of the best camera angles ever.
Diablos54 said:I know once I start I'm not going to be able to stop until I finish the whole thing. :lol I guess I better prepare not to do anything but watch LOST for the next few weeks...
McBacon said:Do you wanna know a secret, Walt?
I'm gonna become the leader of the others and then push a donkey wheel and end up in tunisia and then bomb the russians, and then get killed, and then get ressurected as Facob and kick a guy into a fire.
gdt5016 said:To sephcast
I'll be watching at 2.pm. (eastern) so... just under an hour.
Gotta make breakfast/lunch first ;p.
That is a damn good point, you know what, I'll try it. Let's see if I can hold myself back for long enough.Tim-E said:I think this re-watch is great because we're not hammering it in all at once. It gives us time to talk about shit at a steady pace instead of going over the entire series all at once. Plus, I'm pretty busy, but I can squeeze three episodes a week into my schedule without a problem.
Diablos54 said:That is a damn good point, you know what, I'll try it. Let's see if I can hold myself back for long enough.
I'm sure he will.Tim-E said:The camerawork in the pilot is wonderful. Abrams should direct the series finale.
SpeedingUptoStop said:Man, Shannon is bloody well annoying with this insistence on a rescue coming.
stuburns said:I'm sure he will.
SpeedingUptoStop said:sawyer and Sayid's first encounter is a fist fight.:lol :lol
:lol I'm right there too, "Chain smoking jackass"SpeedingUptoStop said:sawyer and Sayid's first encounter is a fist fight.:lol :lol
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stuburns said:I'm sure he will.