On the podcast they said something along the lines of 'A well known tech site beginning in bleep and ending in bleep'.
Bleeped out but very much alluding to DF
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On the podcast they said something along the lines of 'A well known tech site beginning in bleep and ending in bleep'.
Bleeped out but very much alluding to DF
Yautja_Warrior
Member
If MS are pushing Scorpio as an upgrade, like PS4 Pro (which seems to be the case) then I expect the CPU to be a Jaguar and GPU will probably be Polaris based, to keep the cost down as much as possible. No point spending lots of money on Zen and Vega, if it's aimed at a smaller audience, just like PS4 Pro is. I think Zen and Vega will be used on the real next gen systems (PS5 ect) as they will be cheaper for them to use then.
The extra 1.8 Tflops GPU power (over PS4 Pro) and more RAM will help run games with slightly better graphics or native 4k, with better textures ect, so games should look really good but I don't expect to be blown away by anything because PS4 Pro and PC already have great graphics and Scorpio will fall somewhere between them.
The actual games are going to be the key thing, as this is one area where MS are behind. I'm looking forward to seeing Crackdown but I would love to see more new IP's from them. Sunset Overdrive, Quantum Break and ReCore might not have been massive hits and it's a shame Scalebound didn't work out but it's a step in the right direction, hopefully a few misses doesn't stop them looking for their next big hit.
The extra 1.8 Tflops GPU power (over PS4 Pro) and more RAM will help run games with slightly better graphics or native 4k, with better textures ect, so games should look really good but I don't expect to be blown away by anything because PS4 Pro and PC already have great graphics and Scorpio will fall somewhere between them.
The actual games are going to be the key thing, as this is one area where MS are behind. I'm looking forward to seeing Crackdown but I would love to see more new IP's from them. Sunset Overdrive, Quantum Break and ReCore might not have been massive hits and it's a shame Scalebound didn't work out but it's a step in the right direction, hopefully a few misses doesn't stop them looking for their next big hit.
LukasTaves
Member
Is it Thursday already?
And unlike Alan Wake, by the time it came to steam no one cared.
What you are doing man? I just go back to it and finish it! The last chapters are insane story wise and have some of the best fights.
I think it's less about total sales and more about reception. Game reviewed very poorly for absolutely no reason, and gamers got so round up to the 720p debacle. And then the win store release wasn't the best to say the least.
And unlike Alan Wake, by the time it came to steam no one cared.
Beginning with Wi and ending with red?
scoobs
Member
They tried some new IP this gen and each one kind of fell flat in its own way. Nothing truly new or innovative or excellent, just .. good or OK.
Gotta find that smash hit idea, hopefully that will be Sea of Thieves, but I'm afraid that game is just not going to be for me given how focused on multiplayer it is.
Gotta find that smash hit idea, hopefully that will be Sea of Thieves, but I'm afraid that game is just not going to be for me given how focused on multiplayer it is.
scoobs
Member
I'm going to go ahead and be the one to say it, there were reasons. Read the reviews.
Jaguar Victory
Member
Wouldn't make sense. They'd have to overclock a Polaris GPU and that doesn't happen in the console space. I'm expecting Vega and either excavator or new power efficient Ryzen.
LukasTaves
Member
I remember people disliking how the TV show break from the action, which was optional. And saying that it was a bad cover shooter which the game even isn't.
Then you have reviews like giant bomb that invented bugs to trash the game and to hide the fact they sucked at the game.
But you are right. There were reasons, just not good ones.
Yautja_Warrior
Member
The cheapest 8 core Ryzen chip is not exactly super cheap though right now, unless MS plan on taking a hit on the cost or they plan on dropping down to a 4 core Ryzen CPU (seems unlikely)
Maybe..or maybe MS reached out to DF and offered them to test the real nachine, not the 80% version they had. Or that is also not true?
The DF reveal seems a little weird, as is all the noise around it, the head of XBox France chiming in, Jez tweets etc, and this would explain it.
Mb I'm wrong ofc
MosquitoSmasher
Member
Damn it's that good huh? Guess I'll continue with this one now that I have finished Mafia 3. But all in all it's just sad what happened. What the game set out to do it did really well. Although if it had been up to me, no TV show and make those gameplay chapters instead.
Dee Dah Dave
Member
The 80% is just because the SDK isn't finished yet. The actual test hardware will be the same as final release, it's just not fully optimised yet.
Backfoggen
Banned
QB is a last gen feeling borefest. There is no conspiracy.
Zvonimir Boban
Banned
Honestly, if you haven't played it in that long I'd go back and restart from an earlier spot. The story is actually great and a lot of the later action ties back fantastically into things that happen in the earlier stages of the game.
I hope you've been nabbing all the collectibles, they genuinely add a lot to the story and do a terrific job of fleshing out the characters in the TV episodes.
If the PC version is fixed I should play through it again.
transformer
Member
But that chip is not what MS would acquire or put in a console. It's pretty much a given that it will be an AMD APU in the box just like the other current gen Sony/MS consoles. I think he main issue against Ryzen in project Scorpio is timing. Specifically, was/is the tech ready for a fall launch this year?
MosquitoSmasher
Member
Yep. I've been collecting every single collectable so far. If I hadn't I would have been flying through these chapters. That was my biggest beef with the game last year, the chapters are just too brief and it's a shame because the combat shootouts are awesome.
An actual shiver ran down my spine. I don't know how you can stand that shit with the excessive contrast distortion caused by artificial sharpness.
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility. To announce what's in the box as a definite this far out they would need to be sure it could be done. I can see them changing certain things at the last minute if needed as they've done before such as RAM though. We'll have to see how this all plays out soon.
LostDonkey
Member
Hurry up Thursday. So sloooooow....
R
Rösti
Unconfirmed Member
The wait wouldn't be so bad if Phil or Larry confirmed something will happen this week. It's less than two days until April 6 now, so I hope they will comment very soon (with actual info).
Thats a Greay Area
Member
Maybe..or maybe MS reached out to DF and offered them to test the real nachine, not the 80% version they had. Or that is also not true?
The DF reveal seems a little weird, as is all the noise around it, the head of XBox France chiming in, Jez tweets etc, and this would explain it.
Mb I'm wrong ofc
Not strange at all.
DF did the deep dive on the Xbox One S at launch. MS even provided them with special shots of the internals.
transformer
Member
I agree that it is definitely possible. They are right on the cusp of ryzen based APUs. Everything I've seen has the timeframe of late 2017/early 2018 for that technology. So project Scorpio may be one of the first and release early in that window. I definitely don't think it is a Jaguar based CPU. There was much talk about system balance in the reveal. I don't see balancing a 6 TF GPU with a Jaguar CPU.
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
Rösti;233332034 said:
Ya I was wondering the same. How come no hype? Is it supposed to be a surprised spec reveal. Who would that benefit. They can just say there will be something on Thursday and just with that all the tech site can run with that headline for today.
Isn't it RyZen priced 300 $ minimum? I mean, I don't see it affordable this year, even if the tech is ready (which is not in the AMD plans). This console would be incredibly expensive and Ryzen it's almost useless with the baseline tied on xbone. I hope this console specs push me to buy another Xbox but I think to have absurd expectations not help in the future perspective.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Dude, it's a Vega GPU with some Navi, and even beyond that, enhancements. Bank on it.
Source?
Dee Dah Dave
Member
Might have been all secretive because they dont want it to leak beforehand, like so much other stuff has. But then Jez has thrown a spanner in the works and we basically know where it's coming from.
Someone could still break into Digital Foundry office though, there's time!
Someone could still break into Digital Foundry office though, there's time!
MosquitoSmasher
Member
But for LG OLED Sharpness at 10 is default from what I heard.
Ah, I assumed you cranked it to maximum, which really kills image quality.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Call it an informed guess.
MosquitoSmasher
Member
Neeeeeeever, haha. Oh man that would be about 50 Sharpness. That's absolutely insanity
This is a good step up from Jaguar that is in the Xbox One? It would be such a waste if MS actually didn't bother with a better CPU at all and just go with the X1 Jaguar again.
TheScarecrow101
Neo Member
Even with the wait becoming a hour to hour distraction, I am really lookimg forward to seeing what the Scorpio is spec wise. Remembering back to the dreamcast and ps2 era, the specs gave this baseline of what things could look like (anyone remember the rubber ducks?) then followed by the first look at games taking advantage of the hardware. My thoughts are that MS have gone back to the Xbox 360 era of thinking about hardware. Let the hardware be as powerful as possible and let their software and dev tools be the complimentary layer that gets the best performance.
I will say, i think CPU wise, 2 x 4 zen core in the same config as the xbox one/xbox one S config. I do not know enough to be sure if it is possible but after reading "The race for a new game machine" by David Shippy and Mickie Phipps, I have a respect for those engineers in their ability to work things around to make amazing hardware. Anything is possible. Probable is the unknown element here. Bring on Thursday.
I will say, i think CPU wise, 2 x 4 zen core in the same config as the xbox one/xbox one S config. I do not know enough to be sure if it is possible but after reading "The race for a new game machine" by David Shippy and Mickie Phipps, I have a respect for those engineers in their ability to work things around to make amazing hardware. Anything is possible. Probable is the unknown element here. Bring on Thursday.
transformer
Member
Again, that $300 processor is not what would go into this box. That price doesn't mean anything. MS is most likely acquiring an APU that will sell millions of units. Only the APU manufacturer could give you the real cost of that but it would be far below $300 given what Xbox one and PS4 were able to do with similar (APU) technology.
Yautja_Warrior
Member
Yeah it won't be the exact chip and wasn't it said that there won't be any custom chips ready for a while, so timing would be an issue, one reason why I think it will still be a Jag CPU.
Yeah it could be, it's more likely than a Ryzen CPU anyway. Only reason I was thinking Polaris is for price to be lower.
x Dredgen Yor x
Member
I can't stand the wait anymore. This is hellish. Please be ZEN.
LukasTaves
Member
The tech is ready, as there will be apus from AMD themselves using it.
With improved graphical qualities of course they will. My interest in the Xbox One have been low except for a few titles with Halo 5 being one of them. If Scorpio does something similar or better to what the PS4 Pro does thanks to boost mode I would really reconsider getting one. The more games that benefits from the extra power the better. Especially in the eyes of those that don't yet own an Xbox One I think.
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
OK, so here's a tech question.
IF the CPU in the new machine were something other than Jaguar, would processing differences allow for Xbox One games to simply play by inserting the disc, or would they need to do BC the way they do with Xbox 360 games playing on Xbox One?
IF the CPU in the new machine were something other than Jaguar, would processing differences allow for Xbox One games to simply play by inserting the disc, or would they need to do BC the way they do with Xbox 360 games playing on Xbox One?
scoobs
Member
Opinions and all that, but there were plenty of problems with the game that brought its score down to where it is, more than you've listed here in fact. You're free to love the game all you want, but to dismiss every single reviewers criticism... a bit silly.
LukasTaves
Member
It would be just as native as xbone playing the game.
Xbone games already run through an abstraction layer, they just need to port that to Scorpio and it will be transparent for the games.
Think of it as a PC. Runs the same OS with the same glibs, they'll handle any differences.
There is many titles which are pre-UWP on the Xbox though, so I can imagine they've had to do a bit of legwork to get those properly working.
Won't be emulation though, just porting of any dependancies to new hardware.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Neeeeeeever, haha. Oh man that would be about 50 Sharpness. That's absolutely insanity
This is a good step up from Jaguar that is in the Xbox One? It would be such a waste if MS actually didn't bother with a better CPU at all and just go with the X1 Jaguar again.
I don't believe it will be Jaguar. I think it's going to be Zen. Or if not, optimized Excavatar with an unusually high clock speed for a console. And I mean unusually high.
Thursday is going to be interesting around here. I'm looking for meltdowns, "no games", "only 40%" and a whole bunch of stupidity across the thread. Looking forward to the deets. Even though I probably won't get one until next year when I get a 4K tv (I want a 70" HDR10 one) and gonna buy an extra Kinect for it cuz I like the voice controls for XBO, but we shall see the DEETZ.
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
Oh, OK. So, the discs should run, and patches/wrappers should fix any other issues?
MosquitoSmasher
Member
I am not really all that tech savvy, but what are all the options MS could choose from if not Jaguar, and in what order?
Okami Haundo
Member
It might be a longshot, but I'm personally hoping for some kind of built in Kinect support on Scorpio. At the very least, it'd be nice to have some mics for Cortana support without using a headset. On that note, I just downloaded the new Skype app in preview but I don't have a Kinect anymore. Is there any other camera solution for Xbox One?
Yeah, from a user's point of a view, it's just a Xbox One with more power. No difference in terms of usability.
Weren't you saying that it would be jaguar just some days ago?
It's DF.