hie said:bluray/hd-dvd....some of you are giving it too much credit. it's too early (this is from a man that has 2 HDTV's). won't matter. won't boost sales.
no. what percentage of people have HDTV's again?are you shitting me?
Xrenity said:Nintendo got lost of Yamauchi and got Reggie (which probably influenced Iwata).
Sony has Sir Howard Stringer. period.
You got that almost entirely the other way around.Xrenity said:Nintendo got lost of Yamauchi and got Reggie (which probably influenced Iwata).
Sony has Kutaragi. period.
Another juicy rumor - wholly unconfirmed - is that Japan will not see the launch of PS3 until very late this year. Our sources were unable to make the connection about whether this means the U.S. launch will come at the same time, even later, or, just maybe, much earlier. This is where, unfortunately, we are left to speculate.
What if it's earlier?
The theory goes that Sony's play is not for the next generation games market at all. Microsoft's Xbox 360 is no more than an irritating diversion. The big play is for the high definition DVD market, and in this context, an early launch, with small hardware numbers and threadbare games software support might just be a good move.
This play potentially represents Sony's most important move in its entire history. Imagine; a royalty for Sony on every single DVD sold between 2006 and 2012 or thereabouts. No wonder Bill Gates hates Blu-ray.
The next generation DVD market is much, much bigger than the next generation games market. Owning the high definition DVD platform through Blu-Ray is Sony's number one priority for the next two years. Coming first in the next generation games market tags along for the ride.
The enemy is Toshiba
This spring, Toshiba will launch HD-DVD. Small numbers of ultra-high early adopters will be asked to pay up to $800 for the machine. But they will be nervous about making that commitment, if they see that Blu-ray is already available at a lower price, backed by Sony, albeit in savagely small numbers.
Here is where the first scuffles over the future of home entertainment will take place. It's important to draw first blood.
That's reason one. Reason two is Hollywood. This fall, the studios will be making a call on which formats to back. If Sony says, "We're launching PS3 at Thanksgiving with a million units," Hollywood will say, "Okay, great."
But Sony might be in a position to say, "We launched PS3 earlier this year, and they're still lining up around the block. We've sold 300,000 units, and we're now shifting 30,000 a week. We plan to sell another million over the holidays. Blu-ray is here." Many of the studios have made verbal commitments to Blu-ray, but that's a long way short of backing the platform with the high definition DVD versions of its summer movies.
Hollywood does not want a split format. It will do as much as it can to avoid this scenario. What it needs to see are numbers.
Michael Pachter, analyst at Wedbush Morgan Securities says, "A lot of people in the games media are missing the picture here. This isn't about Sony versus Microsoft. This is about Sony versus Toshiba. Everything Sony does regarding PlayStation 3 is colored by that fact."
hie said:no. what percentage of people have HDTV's again?
They're both game platforms - I didn't say they were joined at the "fucking hip" but there's certainly some commonality, wouldn't you agree? In regards to launches, I'd say the needs are similar.Shinobi said:PSP's a PORTABLE system that was released in MARCH, not JUNE, JULY OR AUGUST (IE the dead of summer, IE the deadest time of the year for retailers), as some people are suggesting.
And since when did we start comparing portables to consoles anyway? For years I heard they were different markets altogether...now people are joining them at the fucking hip.
I think its less than %10 in the U.S.
Need I remind you that game sales in the U.S. last year were comprised mainly of Madden, NBA, and NFS: MW ports?
hie said:you are correct. so how does having an HD capable movie player give a company any advantage when your market is that small......and even less everywhere else in the world?
Vark said:Annnd the 360 won't have these titles why?
360 will have all the ports the PS3 has, and the 360 will have it's 2nd year titles. Sony NEEDS at least one or two hot exclusives (what they're working on now). Come christmas the 360 is going to have a lot of key genres out on the market.
soundwave05 said:Even a sub-10% figure indicates millions of households. And HDTV sales for 2006 are likely to eclipse current total HDTV sales period.
Simply put ... HDTV adoption is growing exponentially as the prices continue to drop.
...which is why they got Toshiba to help with the creation of Cell. Yeah.This is about Sony versus Toshiba. Everything Sony does regarding PlayStation 3 is colored by that fact."
kaching said:...which is why they got Toshiba to help with the creation of Cell. Yeah.
I realize that, I was mostly commenting on the way Pachter's comment painted their relationship as purely adversarial.snatches said:Sony partnering with Toshiba and IBM on cell was good business. They can be bitter enemies in one area and still mutual benefactors in another.
Uh, that's untrue. There's many companies in the BR consortium that will share the profits. There's no reason people should be insisting Sony is the only player there, when they have Panasonic which is probably as big, if not bigger BR supporter than them, and some other really big companies, like Philips too.snatches said:Sony didn't like sharing the license for DVD with several parties. They want it all to themselves this time.
Media likes doing that... Reading certain articles, you'd think MS and Sony presidents would kill each other first chance they get, but even Gates said once that they find Sony to be their customer and partner in some areas (I suppose Vaio buisiness) and an opponent in others (home consoles). I guess it's not too unusual.kaching said:I realize that, I was mostly commenting on the way Pachter's comment painted their relationship as purely adversarial.
Depends on how staggered things are. If its only a matter of weeks or a couple of months, would it matter much?mashoutposse said:Sony is going to have their Playstation Festival in two weeks in Japan to let them know that the system is going to arrive first in another market entirely?
Sweedishrodeo said:lolerz this was a joke right
You could also guarantee that MS wouldn't do as miserably in JP as they did the first time around. They are doing worse so far. It was also assumed that Sony would lose marketshare this current gen too. Afterall, lightning struck once with the PS1. If the market keeps expanding, I don't see what's to stop them on the console front, besides themselves. They could always price the thing into stagnation. PEACE.sonycowboy said:Agreed.
With a likely end of this generation somewhere around: (give or take a few million)
PS2: 130M
Xbox: 27M
GCN: 25M
I think it's all but guaranteed that Sony won't
a) Outsell it's nearest competitor by ~500% or ~100M units.
b) Outsell it's two competitors by 270% or ~80M units.
The success of the PS2 can't be replicated next gen, even by the PS3. Sony will be very fortunate to hit 100M again, like they did with the PSOne. And they won't approach anywhere near a ~65% console market share in the console realm again. I think those days are now gone.
You could also guarantee that MS wouldn't do as miserably in JP as they did the first time around
It was also assumed that Sony would lose marketshare this current gen too
Pimpwerx said:You could also guarantee that MS wouldn't do as miserably in JP as they did the first time around. They are doing worse so far. It was also assumed that Sony would lose marketshare this current gen too. Afterall, lightning struck once with the PS1. If the market keeps expanding, I don't see what's to stop them on the console front, besides themselves. They could always price the thing into stagnation. PEACE.
kaching said:They're both game platforms - I didn't say they were joined at the "fucking hip" but there's certainly some commonality, wouldn't you agree? In regards to launches, I'd say the needs are similar.
And please don't think that you can automatically constrain what I'm saying by what "some people are suggesting". I'd agree that the summer months are not likely. So it'll either be March-May or September-November. My bet's on April.
kaching said:...which is why they got Toshiba to help with the creation of Cell. Yeah.
snatches said:The point is that as the creator and owner of the intellectual property of the BluRay disc technology, Sony will earn residual income through licensing that they will not have to share with anyone. With DVD, they had to split licensing profits with philips and toshiba.