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PS4 is quite the engineering marvel
- Thread starter Canis lupus
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It's strange. The 360 also had regular SATA cables for the DVD drive.
The One has tons of empty space. Not only that corner, but also around the DVD drive and HDD drive. Have no idea why the HDD wouldn't fit around the DVD drive making the thing 30% smaller. It's also bizarre that MS seems to have a phobia against flat, radial fans.
CitizenCope
Member
Agreed.
thesuperfunk
Member
fixed.
KillerTravis
Banned
But size=power. Xbox One is better.
It's supposed to run quiet...or something, I dunno
IHaveCandy
Banned
Bigger box = more expensive. When you see a device needing a massive cooling solution, you don't think "that's cheap".
TheGreyHulk
Member
The ps4 apu die is smaller and less complex than the xbone apu which has 32mb esram on it that takes up a lot of space. Larger apu die = more heat and a larger heatsink is required to keep it cool. MS probably wanted to make sure they pro ide more cooling than is needed just in case so they dont have another rrod fiasco.
its pretty much that simple. Larger and more complex system vs the more simpler and smaller chip ps4.
its pretty much that simple. Larger and more complex system vs the more simpler and smaller chip ps4.
childplease
Banned
First post nails it.
They also doubled the number of cores with that change, from 4 to 8. Looking at the rear of the PS4 I'm doubtful that it'll have heat issues with that many vents.
It's a netbook CPU?
lovegames718
Banned
I see someone is a bit mad about all the positive Ps4 news of late. Hmmmmm its ok buy yourself an Xbone we wont be mad at you
AngelsDontBurn
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I can't agree to anything like that until I see how it functions, especially after some stress testing.
Nintendo Magic.
still a sexy little box, says I.
[EDIT]
bonus round: GB Micro naked:
SolarPowered
Member
It really is. I love how easy I am to please.
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
Child please
IHaveCandy
Banned
Well the PS3's Cell was technically an 8 core processor that weren't really cores. Not sure how hot the SPUs made the Cell run though.
Colonel Nasty
Member
After all my hardware failures this gen just give me a big box with a shitload of vents.
Wasn't the Xbox 360 also manufactured by Foxconn? I don't think they have anything to do with durability of the hardware. They just stick the pieces together.
Gamecube was/is fantastic in the way they packed it all together. I recently opened mine up and even the way it opens is really neat.
Edit: ^^^^^^^^ Handhelds put out more heat than the GameCube
The Dreamcast didn't even have any heatsinks, only a tiiiny fan.
Big coolers and a simple design that is easy to put together that means it is cheap. Powerful laptops have pretty expensive cooling because of all the (more expensive) copper heat pipes and copper fins while bigger coolers use a lot more aluminium which is far cheaper.
The Dreamcast didn't even have any heatsinks, only a tiiiny fan.
Big coolers and a simple design that is easy to put together that means it is cheap. Powerful laptops have pretty expensive cooling because of all the (more expensive) copper heat pipes and copper fins while bigger coolers use a lot more aluminium which is far cheaper.
Oh, didn't realize you we're talking about Cell. I thought you were referring to the fact that they were initially aiming for a quad core bulldozer but that wouldn't have been ready on time.
WolfForager
Member
To me it seems like Sony and MS had two different design philosophies.
MS: How much heat will it produce? What's the easiest way to dissipate the heat? Right we got that down, what should the shell look like?
Sony: We want it to be as small as possible and sleek, here's some rough concept designs, go at it you fabulous engineers.
MS: How much heat will it produce? What's the easiest way to dissipate the heat? Right we got that down, what should the shell look like?
Sony: We want it to be as small as possible and sleek, here's some rough concept designs, go at it you fabulous engineers.
Do we know how it compares to the 4 core version?also wouldn't the compute functions of the PS4's GPU free up much more CPU time?
Mr. Poolman
Member
Honest question.
How did they solve the overheating issue?
How did they solve the overheating issue?
IHaveCandy
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You can see copper heat pipes on the Xbox One. Generally speaking, being able to use minimal cooling means the product is cheaper to make. It has less overhead for heat management. A smaller devices means it has less raw materials as well. Follow this logic.
You have a box, but it runs too hot. It is going to cost you more money to have to increase the size and ventillation and cooling than it would cost to have a similar designed box that doesn't run hot and doesn't need excessive cooling.
zeopower6
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MS' was probably something more like "We want this to seamlessly integrate with our consumers media centers... let's make it look like a VCR!" tbh.
TheGreyHulk
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Its a cpu made for the lower powered segment. It will be fine for consoles. 100+ gflops in cpu power is fine enough. Gpu compute will handle the intense stuff like physics and all that. Theres no cause to be alarmed. Its a console cpu. It doesnt need the generap overall power u would need on a typical desktop cpu.
Nintendo Magic.
still a sexy little box, says I.
[EDIT]
bonus round: GB Micro naked:
Pfft try again.
and yes the power supply is inside.
IHaveCandy
Banned
You're assuming both the PS4 and Xbox One output the same amount of heat when under full load.
Speak for yourself, that thing looked massive in person. What really shocked me though was just how large the new Kinect is... It's much much larger than the original.
Show me a PC (same specs, of course) that fits into the case and is priced at 400/$, please.
SolarPowered
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The Gamecube was the far more durable machine.
It's huge, and doesn't have an internal power supply.
Just making sure: Did you mean Mac Air?
Either way, this is from 2004:
Vaio X505 with nickle carbon body (Was expensive though).
Not really that surprising with what other stuff Sony makes.
And that first post is such a derailment of the thread.
Edit: pointed out to be the new desktop Mac Pro.
Mr.Wreckless
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Sony is a hardware company. They make cameras, TVs, phones, etc..... Its expected they should be able to have a better designed system.
outunderthestars
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Still my favorite console design of all time.
The APUs in the PS4 and XBone are like 100W components. They're not going to be in any laptop, let alone netbook at that power usage.
ehh I work for Tiger Direct which means I build people computers and
you're wrong the FX chips are high end desktop cpu's that have 8 cores
the GPU is not mid rage its a high end with 8 Gddr5 memory not one GPU at my store
has that sooo yep.
PolarGamer
Member
I lived in Japan for a little while. Some of the stuff they made, for instance the cell phones of the time, were half the size of what Nokia and the other huge companies pushed out. It was ridiculus.