CaptainTiptop
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Haha, I know.
I had someone tell me they could get a PC that was '10x more powerful than the PS4' for 'literally the same price' recently. Lol, alright then.
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PS4 is quite the engineering marvel
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I had someone tell me they could get a PC that was '10x more powerful than the PS4' for 'literally the same price' recently. Lol, alright then.
nhlducks35
Member
Just making sure: Did you mean Mac Air?
Either way, this is from 2004:
Vaio X505 with nickle carbon body (Was expensive though).
Not really that surprising with what other stuff Sony makes.
And that first post is such a derailment of the thread.
He means this:
Colonel Nasty
Member
Just making sure: Did you mean Mac Air?
Either way, this is from 2004:
Vaio X505 with nickle carbon body (Was expensive though).
Not really that surprising with what other stuff Sony makes.
And that first post is such a derailment of the thread.
No, the Mac Pro looks like its from the future.
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Yeah, CPUs aren't going to be too important for next gen. Both consoles have dedicated audio hardware which frees but a lot of CPU time and at least the PS4 can offset a lot of functionality onto GPU compute. The CPU is merely sufficient for the tasks it needs to do while the GPU seems designed to help it out quite a bit.
Let's run over both and see which will still run.
The GameCube will, at worst requiring minor repairs.
WolfForager
Member
Good point. I'm not sure about the heat output of eSRAM and DDR3 under full load compared to GDDR5, but from what I've been reading the ESRAM alone outputs a hefty amount alone.
But there is a lot of wasted space in the Xbone and most of it seems to be down to the size of the fan, surely using a more concentrated heat sink approach could have cut down on the wasted space? This is what I'm assuming Sony have done, in fact it seems like the only reasonable approach.
In my mind within the PS4 I see heatsinks attached to everything.
Permanently A
Junior Member
What the hell, where is the RAM tucked away? And the graphics card? I only see a disc drive, the CPU fan and the HDD. Jesus Christ Sony.
hydrophilic attack
Member
Possibly. But the money saved there should be nothing compared to money lost due to more raw material, larger storage spaces needed and more expensive transportation, due to the big size.
anexanhume
Member
A 125-135W (equivalent to a desktop enthusiast CPU) part being cooled in an enclosure that size is quite a feat. But please, troll on.
KennyLinder
Member
It is rad for sure. To be fair though, Xbox One isn't that big (I see one every day), it just seems to take a bad photo.
IHaveCandy
Banned
There may also be more hardware inside the Xbox One designated for Kinect and HDMI input with DVRs. that may create a bigger board.
I challenge you to build an equally powered PC the same size, for the same price, that will still play the top selling shooter of 2018 with the same IQ as the PS4.
If you do, I will reimburse you the cost.
399 dollars worth of components including casing, OS etc. on the day of launch of the PS4.
Deal?
The OP's picture is of the Xbox One, PS4 internals haven't been revealed yet.
I love everything about the design of the PS4. The angles, the gloss, the matte, the smoothness, the vents, everything.
But I've been wondering one thing, could there be some hidden design elements that we're unaware of, because every time I look at it, I can't help but imaging a hidden LED area on the console.
But I've been wondering one thing, could there be some hidden design elements that we're unaware of, because every time I look at it, I can't help but imaging a hidden LED area on the console.
I've highlighted the area I'm talking about. What if that area could display the game you're playing, game update alerts, downloads, and other notifications? I hadn't read anything about it in the specs, so it's unlikely but I still can't help but think that it would be perfect.
dragonelite
Member
Fx cpu jaguar is not.
Unless im mistaken. Jaguar was suppose to go into tablets or netbooks.
Windom Earle
Member
lol, Klocker downplaying the power difference in every thread is certainly cute.
Permanently A
Junior Member
oh snap, the PS4 internals must be absolutely packed if its smaller than the Xbox and the Xbox internals look like that
But the heat difference isn't very big. As far as I know ESRAM has a tiny heat output and PS4 has a bigger GPU. I don't think plastic and aluminium cost a lot more than making a cramped console and putting more expensive fans and heat pipes.
The One also just has two heatpipes and they're probably the cheapest ones out there. This is what keeps the 90W 15inch MacBook Retina cool (barely, it throttles a bit). The One is probably 100W.
anexanhume
Member
Netbooks are a dead category. He used that to be extra inflammatory.
Oh I look silly now. Damnit.
Also, thanks. That thing could use a more unique name though.
Interfectum
Member
ITT: Some PC gamers who are going to be sorely disappointed when their 'superior than PS4' laptop can only run next-gen games on low settings.
nelsonroyale
Member
Sadly performance will deplete exponentially over time as well
Alas, that was my experience in my rather distasteful brush with laptop gaming...Baller. PhD
Banned
12-core Xenon E5 CPU, two Radeon FirePro GPU's (6GB dedicated VRAM each), four sticks of quad-channel ECC memory, PCI-E solid state storage. Can drive three 4K displays no sweat.
9.9" x 6.6"
Behold.
IHaveCandy
Banned
Every source, including CBOAT, has been saying the eSRAM is a huge heat issue for the Xbox One.
This laptop is 120W. Gaming PCs have overclocked CPUs with maybe 150W TDP and GPUs with 200-250W TDP for one.
Edit:
Yield issue. It's a lot of transistors.
fluffydelusions
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Cerny magic
velociraptor
Junior Member
Holy shit. That really puts things in perspective.
ALBOFIGHTER
Member
I think there's vents on the side of the ps4. It's hard to notice due to the design but Sony engineers are fucking genius. I hope the hardware is quiet and reliable, other then that, it's absolutely perfect.
It's ridiculous how compact they managed to make the PS2 Slim. Amazing design and engineering.
WolfForager
Member
Again you're probably right, but then we also have to take into account that the PS4 has extra chips for video streaming etc. The One may indeed output more heat, but I still think that this design is highly inefficient, if they put a bit more money into the functional design of the box and the cooling system and not the aesthetics then I think they could have come up with a more compact system. Maybe not quite as compact s the PS4, but an improvement on what they currently have.
I'm not an electronic engineers or a PC tech enthusiast (I'm a mechanical engineer) so I'm making a lot of assumption regarding the heat output of the obvious components and even more of an assumption on the less obvious parts you mentioned.
This is exactly my thinking, everyone that has been around knows this.
Die shrinks work for everybody.
To what end? I mean, as long as it's smaller than your average receiver most people are gonna be able to fit it under their TV anyway. I guess there might be some advantage to having a smaller system if you're gonna put a million or so of them on a ship from China, but for the average consumer..? I don't think most people give a fuck about the size of their consoles.
IHaveCandy
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Yield issues due to excessive heat.
Windom Earle
Member
I have a powerful PC and am still excited for PS4, I think the systems will go together very well. No need for the dick size comparisons, of course the PC will win on paper, but the PS4 will still have crazy exclusives the PC will never see. And of course the godram.
Bullshit.
How is this kind of idiocy allowed to continue? We're not in YouTube comments.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
You know I have to admit...
... along the the Japanese Super Famicom, the PS2 Slim may be to me the best looking game console of all time.
PS4 still looks a bit weird with its italic font motif.
... along the the Japanese Super Famicom, the PS2 Slim may be to me the best looking game console of all time.
PS4 still looks a bit weird with its italic font motif.
CloakedPuppet
Member
What a shocker to see some PC knob burst in here out of the gate trying to ruin the fun with pure misinformation.
Anyhow, love the look of this console - can't wait for launch.
Anyhow, love the look of this console - can't wait for launch.
anexanhume
Member
Only enthusiast Clevos. They are 2.5" thick and have huge external 300W power bricks.
Only dual GPUs (780M and 8970M are both 100W), which are again, only found in enthusiast Clevos and the Alienware M18X. They are also 2" or greater, have huge external power bricks and cost 2000+. It's stupid to try and compare them.
I hope it sounds like two jet engines instead of just one. My first ps3 was a monster.