For a second i thought you were serious, lol.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
PS4 Pro patches won't cost users money, like duh
- Thread starter benny_a
- Start date
- Status
For a second i thought you were serious, lol.
CrazedProfessional
Member
Charging for resolution is fucked up regardless of how old your game is.
Shin
Banned
This is what I thought, but people are quick to jump to conclusions.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
I do see a problem there. You already bought the better hardware for a 100 bucks more and then you need to buy Pro patches to even see a difference ? There is a problem, if that is really the case here.
Maybe it's an old Microsoft style system to increase competitiveness inside the company!
MysticDistance
Banned
Alright, yeah, I read through it again after seeing Duckroll's post, and the last part does imply that there's the potential as I said earlier, that depending on the third-party or part of SIE, there could be a fee for us if they make it.
So, some will be free, and there will also be some that could be paid depending on who the dev/company is. Not all will be paid, but not all will be free is what seems to be implied.
Sorry about that...
So, some will be free, and there will also be some that could be paid depending on who the dev/company is. Not all will be paid, but not all will be free is what seems to be implied.
Sorry about that...
Exactly.
It wouldn't make sense for the interviewer to ask whether Sony have to pay a fee to produce a patch lol.
But it would make sense to ask whether Sony published games would also charge a fee for consumers to receive a "Pro update" or patch
There is definitely a problem for consumers, but Sony is leaving the option of greed open because they are a profit driven corporation working with other profit driven corporations.
grandwizard
Member
That was what I was asking too but people kept saying this was referring to developer fees, it didn't make sense when you see the context was him asking about SIE published games.
wesleyshark
Banned
.... Sarcasm? Gotta be lol
Stinkdeken
Neo Member
NX here I come!!
For games released before october, yes.
Sony can't dictate publishers their stance about old games.
TrackZ
Member
I'm ok with this if it's like $1.99 or so.
I'd like to see every game updated to take advantage of the new power and HDR for both PS4P and Scorpio. But it does take dev time and QA. If some income helps get those upgrades done, I'll pay versus not getting them at all.
That would be for older games though. New and recent releases should get this by default.
I'd like to see every game updated to take advantage of the new power and HDR for both PS4P and Scorpio. But it does take dev time and QA. If some income helps get those upgrades done, I'll pay versus not getting them at all.
That would be for older games though. New and recent releases should get this by default.
I think you're being a little hyperbolic. Like maybe a touch.
Anyway, if we want to look at precedent, DLC in legacy games has rolled in support for new hardware in the past. Like the 'Move pack' for LittleBigPlanet on PS3. However, on the flip side, most supporting legacy games that weren't adding specific new content patched in support for free e.g. like Portal.
I think it would be hard for a publisher to justify a resolution bump as DLC rather than as a free patch. In the LBP 'move pack' case, there was actually new content, new gameplay modes etc. Pro mode can't introduce new features outside of graphical modes. I'm not sure if there's precedent elsewhere for someone charging for purely visual or resolution changes.
I guess this guy is saying that Sony cannot technically stop someone from trying. In reality I think few if any will try. Especially when it's not something new titles can do with Pro Modes going forward.
CrazedProfessional
Member
Downloadable Resolution.
Console gaming's becoming worse and worse.
Console gaming's becoming worse and worse.
Jesus Christ
Kenzodielocke
Banned
That is true, but if it backfires, it is not worth the profite. They're, like every company on the eart, testing how far they can go. And I really hope they drop this before release, just like MS did with a lot of stuff around the XB1 launch.
At the time the consensus was saying "free for consumer, expense to be paid by developers/publishers" and thus you have my comments. An alternative translation that changes that to "some developers will patch on their own, some we'll pay to patch their games" obviously changes things, although I'm skeptical. If that is indeed the case, that's fine but it'll depend on who they can entice back to patch their games and what if anything it'll cost consumers. If it's a bunch of pixel art indies to get their games to run at 4K, thanks but no thanks.
Memorabilia
Member
Uh...are you following the same discussion room I am or is everyone in here speaking Swahili or something? Lol
xion4360
Member
Thats simply unacceptable to leave out there as a question. Im going to stick with my thought that this is not being understood properly or that the guy was misunderstood. Sony should be asked this again directly and if the answer is anything but a clear no then we have a real messaging problem here.
Mr. Giggles
Member
Lol
so much for older game patches
so much for older game patches
Absolutely. Which is why it is some guy who doesn't make these decisions saying it in a Japanese interview, and if it backfires, it can easily be clarified by a senior executive or customer facing spokesperson as they rework their internal policies in reaction. Aka business as usual.
I just don't know what to say about this. Now resolution is essentially paid DLC. I really can't believe they chose this path.
Sword Of Doom
Member
Yeah I thought about Nintendo immediately
Yup. It will backfire for sure
Why? You paid for the software to run in a PS4. and it runs. And it will run on a PS4 pro as well. It won't have the enhancement that is possible in the pro because it wasn't coded in the software. So if it required for the devs to revisit old code and write who knows how much more new code, new assets etc to make it better (4k upscale/HDR) asking for a fee is ok on my book.
I write code for a living. Why in the hell do you want me to spend how much more time in a old game that works fine for free?
BossDarkseid
Member
Wait so is this consumer charge for already relaese/pre Pro games or stuff going forward as well?
For those interested would we be seeing "Call of Duty Infinite Warfare: Pro Patch $59.99"?
For those interested would we be seeing "Call of Duty Infinite Warfare: Pro Patch $59.99"?
Calm Mind
Member
They never left.
down 2 orth
Member
And that's another nudge toward getting a new PC or NX for me.
We're far too cheap to value the time of developers/programmers.
Trogdor1123
Member
For old games I can see it, not new ones going forward.
Funny how time flies.....
And things are buried underneath the carpet......
#Micosoftoo
I just wanted to use that hashtag lol. It's a joke. Don't ban me please.
lowhighkang_LHK
Member
Sony just shot themselves in the foot.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about Japanese culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in America where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw someone over, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.
What this means is the public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase the PS4 Pro, nor will they purchase any of Sony's games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Sony has alienated an entire market with this move.
Sony, publicly apologize and cancel the PS4 Pro or you can kiss your business goodbye.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about Japanese culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in America where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw someone over, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.
What this means is the public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase the PS4 Pro, nor will they purchase any of Sony's games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Sony has alienated an entire market with this move.
Sony, publicly apologize and cancel the PS4 Pro or you can kiss your business goodbye.
I hope the patches that are not free cost as much as the regular game at that point in time. Because whether it's a jump from 900p > 1080p > 4K, or 30FPS > 60FPS, or lower lod and detail > higher lod and detail, you're basically getting a brand new game experience.
So for example, Mass Effect will be 60 dollars, but you can opt for the pro version which has a patch to get it from variable framerate to locked 30, then you pay 120.
If a developer goes above and beyond and patches a game that's sub4K and sub60FPS to 4K 60FPS, then I think they can justify a $200 price tag, even if the game is 3-4 years old.
So for example, Mass Effect will be 60 dollars, but you can opt for the pro version which has a patch to get it from variable framerate to locked 30, then you pay 120.
If a developer goes above and beyond and patches a game that's sub4K and sub60FPS to 4K 60FPS, then I think they can justify a $200 price tag, even if the game is 3-4 years old.
MS don't charge thier consumer to run their BC games with all the bells and whistles XB1 provides.
You incentivise new sales for your old games and for any future games you make by providing a free update to your consumers.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
Not the best decision. The Pro should look like a cornucopia of value and fun, not a place for more costs.
The Jackdog
Member
Absolutely. Which is why it is some guy who doesn't make these decisions saying it in a Japanese interview, and if it backfires, it can easily be clarified by a senior executive or customer facing spokesperson as they rework their internal policies in reaction. Aka business as usual.
i hope they get ahold of the message before they lose it. this coupled with the fact that ps4 pro and scorpio are "weird" as in non traditional to consumers.
see: entire xbox one launch
Think of this as continued customer service rather than charity. You would still be paid to write the code. The person paying you can choose to not charge his customers for it because the people most likely to make the most use of such an upgrade would be loyal Hardcore fans who will continue to buy all the other ganes you code for your employer as long as they feel valued and loved.
GHG
Member
The Jackdog
Member
because a games revenue stream does not have to end right after launch? this is a silly statement.
you can now market your game again as new and improved.
Once again as some seems to have a lot of comprehension problems :This could happen, depending on the publishers (Sony's not responsible for 3rd party patches devlopment) but only for games released before october. After october, enhancements for the Pro are mandatory
- Status