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PS4 Pro PR has been terrible
- Thread starter Caipirinha
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AcademicSaucer
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Yep, I sold my PS4 anticipating the Neo at the time, but after the reveal and everything I think I will continue to beef up my PC.
Movalpolos
Banned
Will there be any benefits for 1080 on Scorpio?
Caipirinha
Member
The New 3DS is hard to market because there's nothing there to market, it's more powerful internals are essentially unused by everything by little a couple of games not yet released.
That is EXACTLY what I don't want the Pro to be. When you double the power of a console you should see the results. 4K or no 4K we're buying a 4tf games console, so show me what that can do.
I don't buy it being difficult to sell or communicate, just release comparison videos and screens.
They had their focus on VR for the past few weeks but hopefully this week or next week we will get a big focus on the Pro.
Even though there is no conference this week in Paris we might get some information on the Pro.
I hope for software bundles and developers actually come out and say if any of their past titles will get an update and what future titles will see an update.
Even though there is no conference this week in Paris we might get some information on the Pro.
I hope for software bundles and developers actually come out and say if any of their past titles will get an update and what future titles will see an update.
They really muddled the marketing message. I think people are going to be disenchanted with the PRO, because a good many games won't use the extra power. It might be one or two years before we regularly see games that look much better on the PRO. It's not like a PC where you can instantly get better results by playing through your older game catalogue.
Gamesadict
Member
I think that the reason why there is not much PR for it is that it's a product that is expected to sell itself.
I mean, the standard PS4 that everyone knew these past years is now gone and is being replaced by the Slim and the Pro.
Now, imagine the different kind of customers that will go looking online or in a store for a PS4, what will they see?
-The PS4 slim, affordable at $300, possibly bundled with 1 or 2 games, pretty much the console to get if you want to have a new console for the latest games for cheap.
-Or, once it's out, the Pro: a console that goes for just $100 over the Slim console, very likely a store staff (or product page for online buyers) will inform customers that it's more powerful, can output at higher resolution for those new fancy 4K TV's, etc. But that might not even be needed, the 'Pro' naming alone will bring the attention of your average customer.
Someone on a reveal thread mentioned it feels like an Apple naming scheme, it has an 'S', or in this case a 'Pro' on its name, so it must be better somehow. So, why not just get that one.
It doesn't really matter which one someone ends up buying, it's a sale for Sony anyway.
I mean, the standard PS4 that everyone knew these past years is now gone and is being replaced by the Slim and the Pro.
Now, imagine the different kind of customers that will go looking online or in a store for a PS4, what will they see?
-The PS4 slim, affordable at $300, possibly bundled with 1 or 2 games, pretty much the console to get if you want to have a new console for the latest games for cheap.
-Or, once it's out, the Pro: a console that goes for just $100 over the Slim console, very likely a store staff (or product page for online buyers) will inform customers that it's more powerful, can output at higher resolution for those new fancy 4K TV's, etc. But that might not even be needed, the 'Pro' naming alone will bring the attention of your average customer.
Someone on a reveal thread mentioned it feels like an Apple naming scheme, it has an 'S', or in this case a 'Pro' on its name, so it must be better somehow. So, why not just get that one.
It doesn't really matter which one someone ends up buying, it's a sale for Sony anyway.
GinoFelino
Member
You'll see plenty of those videos around its release.
YouTube compression and lack of HDR will probably mean that people will complain about not seeing the difference.
Put simply it's a faster version of the PS4. It's when people try to find it much faster or better it is that it begins to get vague.
It's a bit of a weird situation where it's worse for the enthusiasts because they usually do more research and want exact details. Casuals who are interested will just see it as a faster PS4 and buy it just because.
It's a bit of a weird situation where it's worse for the enthusiasts because they usually do more research and want exact details. Casuals who are interested will just see it as a faster PS4 and buy it just because.
Sony really isn't doing too hot recently. I suspect they gave us Journey and REmake on PS+ because they knew they done fucked up.
We're probably going to see a mix of options like on the Pro. Either super sampling from 4k or enhanced 1080.
What would be great actually is a bit of both, an enhanced 1440p which is super sampled to 1080p.
What? The ps4 pro is being marketed as a 4k machine. Games running at higher resolutions is the biggest reason to own one. And outside of a select few games such as Tomb Raider, resolution is by far the largest difference between the ps4 and ps4 pro versions of games.
And you will not get all the same benifits of playing a game at 4k if you're playing that game on a 1080p TV.
Mind you, I think this is something Microsoft will have to deal with too.
I mean I agree that it's generally something hard to tell and OP is having an unecessary dilemma as waiting is also an option.
However, Sony could have prepared more material themselves.
I didn't expect alot from those devs that are in the middle of putting their finishing touches onto fall games like EA with BF or Titanfall and alot of others.
We get some information from them and the final results will be visible later, but especially older titles that are getting a patch could have been shown.
Their first party studios surely knew alot longer about the Pro and I doubt that they merely started working on those patches.
Therefore they could have provided some comparsions.
Or just release some material that others have seen, I mean we had that great Eurogamer article where they saw some material.
@OP
You should read that Eurogamer article, if you haven't done that yet.
Synless
Member
Exact reason I am getting it. I waited damn near a decade to play this game. I am playing the best version of it on the best console out there. I don't get the lack of marketing. There have been interviews, developers talking about changes, and a pretty clear message overall what it does.
Always-honest
Banned
You don't know yet. But downsampling or a resolution boost and a fps boost is enough for some.
I think most devs will do a bit more though.
I think some older games will just get the standard patch.
2blackcats
Member
Ha, can't tell if this is sarcasm or you're definitely not a genius.
GinoFelino
Member
What are you talking about? PSVR is a huge hit and it just came out.
Not as hard as MS. I usually instabuy Sony consoles but this time I'm thinking about 4k blurays in the future so I might keep the vanilla PS4 for gaming and get an Xbox Scorpio for media playback and as a bonus, more gaming.
Do we have any numbers to back that up? I love PSVR and have had tons of friends over to try it out, but I don't know of anyone else IRL that has one.
Also, the local stores still have a few Core bundles kicking around so it doesn't seem to be sold out at least. But I certainly hope it is doing well!
again you are assuming that most developers wont include a mode to best take advantage of a 1080p display.
GinoFelino
Member
We don't, but it's still selling out (or limited supply) everywhere. That's pretty good. Let's not derail the thread though, just because of the one weird remark I was replying to.
Most developers currently aren't though. Why is it on me to assume that will change?
MWS Natural
Member
If it had a 4k bluray player I'd upgrade but w/o its not worth it for me.
Caipirinha
Member
Honestly I think it should be largely standardised by Sony. "1080p games get 1440p sumpersampling + x y z" as a minimum with anything else the do wants to do optional... rather than everything optional.
Possumowner
Member
It's certainly a muddled message,or one that they aren't putting across to well...yet anyway.I think it strangely resembles the Wii/Wii u situation... Hopefully they start to send out a clear message
I've seen nothing that indicates most of them wont but if you say so man
With what?
Personally, my opinion on this stems from the actual results we start getting.
If the big-name games don't see many graphical benefits at 1440p, then I'd be more for enhanced 1080p. If not, then yeah, definitely.
2blackcats
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DangerMouse
Member
Yup, agreed. Also count me as another really glad it'll be out in time for FFXV.
Losing ~15% of their hw sales lead in the US over the last three months would be my guess.
It's basically the beginning of the end for Sony & PS4.
kikonawa
Member
Lol
2blackcats
Member
Ha ha ha ha.
show me your skeleton
Member
i imagine all the games shown at e3 next year will be demonstrated on the pro.
anothertech
Member
I don't think the issue is that gamers don't know what it CAN do for 1080p displays. The info is out there with The Witness, Tomb Raider and a few others.
It's more an issue of not knowing what games WILL actually implement something noteworthy for the 1080p displays. It's a kind of suspension of belief that any games will actually have benefits for them if they don't hear official word, and the list of previously released games confirmed pro patches is quite small.
Even if Sony comes out next week and says "1080p display will get this, this and this possible upgrades!" The problem will still be there.
Some people seem to need a list of every upcoming game and the exact benefits pro will offer their 1080p display spelled out, and frankly that's just not going to happen.
It's more an issue of not knowing what games WILL actually implement something noteworthy for the 1080p displays. It's a kind of suspension of belief that any games will actually have benefits for them if they don't hear official word, and the list of previously released games confirmed pro patches is quite small.
Even if Sony comes out next week and says "1080p display will get this, this and this possible upgrades!" The problem will still be there.
Some people seem to need a list of every upcoming game and the exact benefits pro will offer their 1080p display spelled out, and frankly that's just not going to happen.
Caipirinha
Member
When you have mega selling semi first party titles like Bloodborne radio silent on the Pro it doesn't instill much confidence, especially when the entire thing is supposedly designed so that IQ upgrades are super quick and easy to code.
Sony: ...and it will have clear benefits for 1080p users.
Peeps: So this is just for 4K users? Bummer!
Sony: No, you will get better graphics even without a 4K TV, like improved image clarity, better shadows, more foliage, better framerates, depending on the game.
Peeps: But Sony hasn't told us anything about benefits for 1080p users! They only want to sell 4K TVs...
Sony: Here are some more examples of how games will look better on 1080p screens.
Peeps: So do Sony care about 1080p Pro users? If they don't, they need to say this is not for you and you should not have any expectations.
Sony: ...
Peeps: So this is just for 4K users? Bummer!
Sony: No, you will get better graphics even without a 4K TV, like improved image clarity, better shadows, more foliage, better framerates, depending on the game.
Peeps: But Sony hasn't told us anything about benefits for 1080p users! They only want to sell 4K TVs...
Sony: Here are some more examples of how games will look better on 1080p screens.
Peeps: So do Sony care about 1080p Pro users? If they don't, they need to say this is not for you and you should not have any expectations.
Sony: ...
Lol.
2blackcats
Member
Ha ha, so true.
Thought your post was going to be the funniest one I read today til I spotted the one under it.
What's happening in here.
I don't think a game from march 2015 from a developer currently working on 3+ projects not getting a pro patch is indicative of anything.